Warriors + Cousins = the NBA HAS JUMPED THE SHARK

[1tinsoldier]

Yet, many crow about how the league has "jumped the shark" or is "dying" and it's utter nonsense.

It's the same as it ever was.

not
no MVP in his prime ever jumped to the championship team that defeated him in the conference final

nor did the best player in the league ever put on a TV show called "The Decision" to determine which city he'd consolidate superstars in

personal pride and a sense of team loyalty used to keep the system in check on its own

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

first you say it's illogical to "trash a company when they attract the best and top talent"
then you and 100% of your CA buddies trash the Lakers for attracting Lebron

indeed, Loyalty is a Curse

LMAO...wrong, we didn’t trash them because they got LeBron. We celebrate one-upping both of them. It’s Chess, man.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

not
no MVP in his prime ever jumped to the championship team that defeated him in the conference final

nor did the best player in the league ever put on a TV show called "The Decision" to determine which city he'd consolidate superstars in

personal pride and a sense of team loyalty used to keep the system in check on its own

So? It still doesn’t change facts in my post. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Dynasties are good for sports...they’ve always been the top money makers during their runs and prints money for leagues. It only sucks when your team is not on top.

 

[leclerc]

For the record I never wish injury on noone. If we're gonna beat them I want us to do it full strength.

If Kyrie & that Utah kid played plus if CP was healthy maybe the finals would be entertaining this year.

 

[leclerc]

NBA is nothing like chess. It's like Magnus playing noobs.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Dynasties are good for sports...they’ve always been the top money makers during their runs and prints money for leagues.

Magic's Lakers vs Bird's Celtics was great for sports.
would the league have made more money if Magic joined Bird after he lost to the Celtics?

It only sucks when your team is not on top.

it sucks if your team can never get to the top because there isn't a structure in place to prevent superstars from creating dynasties in the biggest cities

the honest truth is
you keep defending this flaw in the system only because your team IS on top
as for me
i was on record for saying i couldn't root for the Suns if Kobe ever joined them

i get it. winning is all that matters to some people
but it doesn't have to "suck when your team is not on top"
i enjoyed all of the Suns' losing seasons when i liked the character of their players
and the more home grown and loyal the players were, the more i liked them

 

[1tinsoldier]

U.S. Dream Teams are for international competition.
Within the U.S. every team should be able to Dream!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Methinks you wouldn't be complaining if the Suns won this way...mostly home grown and become a destination franchise. This is what most fans want for their teams. It's what I've always wanted for Cards football, what I always wanted for Warriors, and what I've had with Cardinal Baseball.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

The Dubs would've never attained this without growing organically (Curry, Green, and Thompson) now they are in position to gobble up the competition and make themselves stronger. Just like any good business does.

And, just like any business there are risks to acquisition and the danger of making the wrong moves increase with each one. Dubs are not guaranteed anything and their ownership is not resting on a single laurel. I like that.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Sure, but for the sake of argument, let's say that LeBron instead joined the W's. You would be excited about that? Why watch any games at all? It would be terrible - terribly boring.

The Globetrotters vs Generals is a niche act. No one goes/tunes in to see that 82 + 16 times per year.

 

[Russ Smith]

first you say it's illogical to "trash a company when they attract the best and top talent"
then you and 100% of your CA buddies trash the Lakers for attracting Lebron

indeed, Loyalty is a Curse

I'm a UCLA fan. On the UCLA board I lead it's 90% Lakers fans and they're all saying blow up the NBA this is ridiculous. In between that they're complaining about how long it's been since the Lakers won a title. The Lakers have won 16 Championships. Go back and look at the list of players that have played for the Lakers and see names like Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, none of whom they drafted, all of whom they wound up getting because of money. The Warriors actually had Wilt at one point and traded him over money. Kareem forced the Bucks to trade him over a combination of money and not liking Milwaukee because there weren't enough black people, and because Oscar Robertson retired. So he demanded a trade to LA or NY.

They're all saying the NBA should void the Cousins signing like they voided the Chris Paul trade. They're not remotely similar cases, if the Warriors were the Lakers none of those fans would be upset right now.

 

[devilalum]

U.S. Dream Teams are for international competition.
Within the U.S. every team should be able to Dream!

Every spring cities all around the country get excited for baseball season. Each year some new team surprises everybody and fans are all hopeful that this might be the year. Football is the ultimate parity sport. Sure there are a few elite franchises but its still damn near impossible to repeat. Hockey just had an expansion team go to the finals.

The NBA?

Well....


The NBA sucks.

 

[Finito]

Every spring cities all around the country get excited for baseball season. Each year some new team surprises everybody and fans are all hopeful that this might be the year. Football is the ultimate parity sport. Sure there are a few elite franchises but its still damn near impossible to repeat. Hockey just had an expansion team go to the finals.

The NBA?

Well....


The NBA sucks.

Lol nobody gets excited for baseball!! Baseball sucks. Nobody is watching that sports and last I checked the Yankees got what 27 championships?

Football? You mean the Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers and Patriots. Add up all those rings and super bowl apperances and let me know how balanced football really is.

It's all a myth

 

[devilalum]

Lol nobody gets excited for baseball!! Baseball sucks. Nobody is watching that sports and last I checked the Yankees got what 27 championships?

Football? You mean the Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers and Patriots. Add up all those rings and super bowl apperances and let me know how balanced football really is.

It's all a myth

You either like baseball or you don't. The Yankees spend all that money but haven't won a championship in over 20 years.
The NFL you're talking about died with the hard cap.
The Patriots have been pretty good but not because they outspend everybody and not because all the best players sign there for peanuts.

 

[SirStefan32]

All I can say is that if AD, PG and Westbrook decided to join Booker, there would be far less complaining about Super Teams on this board than there is now.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Woj is saying that Cousins got no offers so he reached out to the Warriors.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Woj is saying that Cousins got no offers that he liked so he reached out to the Warriors.

Fixed

 

[Western Font]

You either like baseball or you don't. The Yankees spend all that money but haven't won a championship in over 20 years.

The Yankees won the WS in 2009, 2000, and 1999 all within the last 20 years. But I do agree that during their eras of dominance, the Yankees winning the title was still not as foregone a conclusion as the NBA has been at times. It does get old for teams stuck in the Yankees division, though.

 

[devilalum]

The Yankees won the WS in 2009, 2000, and 1999 all within the last 20 years. But I do agree that during their eras of dominance, the Yankees winning the title was still not as foregone a conclusion as the NBA has been at times. It does get old for teams stuck in the Yankees division, though.

In baseball only 2 teams have never been to a World Series. NBA- 7 and 14 have never won a title.

Baseball because of its complexities has parity. Spending tons of money doesn't guarantee success. Just look at what the Marlins did with small payrolls. IMO the NBA has created a system that is unsustainable.

 

[overseascardfan]

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I can understand him not getting max deal offers but $5.3M is the best he got? That’s Alan Williams money. In fact that’s not even the whole mid level exception, no denying he’s chasing a ring before GS dynasty ends .

 

[1tinsoldier]

for the past 2 seasons
the NFL has had super competitive Superbowls that went down to the wire
both teams, the NFL and all its fans were winners

3 seasons ago
the NBA had a super competitive Finals that went down to the wire
both teams, the NBA and all its fans were winners

the last 2 seasons, after the league's MVP joined a championship team
that team won 8 out of 9 Finals games
that league MVP was the Finals MVP both years
the team collected another trophy while the NBA and its fans got short changed

 

[Russ Smith]

I can understand him not getting max deal offers but $5.3M is the best he got? That’s Alan Williams money. In fact that’s not even the whole mid level exception, no denying he’s chasing a ring before GS dynasty ends .

He is injured, they think at best he'll be playing end of December, more likely January. So he figures to miss at least half the season and when he first comes back he won't be healthy. their plan is he's rounding into good shape by the playoffs. For the Warriors that's a risk they're willing to take at 5.3, for other teams that could have paid him 9 million or more, it was too big of a risk, partial season for a guy who likely won't stay.

It's consistent with how the Warriors built this current team, good planning and several cases where luck worked in their favor. Steph's ankles held his contract down, Draymond in the 2nd round etc.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I can understand him not getting max deal offers but $5.3M is the best he got? That’s Alan Williams money. In fact that’s not even the whole mid level exception, no denying he’s chasing a ring before GS dynasty ends .

He probably got higher offers, but nothing close to what he thinks he is worth. He knows he is going to have to rehab and come back strong to get a max deal like he wants. So he is doing a one year deal and then going for that max deal again. He might as well get a ring while he is rehabbing. And it sticks it to the rest of the league a little for not believing in him.

There is danger in what he is doing though. He could struggle, and next year's free agent class is deep. Also, no one will now have his Bird rights.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I can understand him not getting max deal offers but $5.3M is the best he got? That’s Alan Williams money. In fact that’s not even the whole mid level exception, no denying he’s chasing a ring before GS dynasty ends .

I would bet money that he got far bigger offers than that. He just preferred a cheap one year deal with the Warriors to some of the other offers he likely received. He probably is also aware that he is more likely to get a max contract next summer and thus it made sense to pass on any multi year offers this summer.

 

[Russ Smith]

for the past 2 seasons
the NFL has had super competitive Superbowls that went down to the wire
both teams, the NFL and all its fans were winners

3 seasons ago
the NBA had a super competitive Finals that went down to the wire
both teams, the NBA and all its fans were winners

the last 2 seasons, after the league's MVP joined a championship team
that team won 8 out of 9 Finals games
that league MVP was the Finals MVP both years
the team collected another trophy while the NBA and its fans got short changed

That's a bit short sighted. This year we were one Chris Paul injury away from the Rockets dethroning the Warriors in the Western Finals. We were one JR Smith brainfart away from the Cavs taking game 1. They were actually MUCH more dominant 2 years ago, only 1 loss in the Playoffs, to Cleveland, this year they lost 5 games in the playoffs. Part of the problem is how 1 sided the league is West vs East, the Cavs were arguably the weakest team the Warriors played in the postseason, they were probably better than SA, but the Warriors didn't have Curry for that series. That's one reason why I'm in favor of the NBA changing the rules so it doesn't have to be East vs West.