Welcome to Arizona Michael Floyd

[Catfish]

Some thoughts for all the nay-sayers on this board.

Offensively, this is what we have lacked since Boldin left. He is a taller, faster, Anquan Bodlin, who can also go up for the ball, AND who plays on the side of the field opposite Larry Fitzgerald. He is not yet a fluid route runner, but he will be working with Larry Fitzgerald as his mentor to learn how to play this position. What he lacks in fluidity right now, he already makes up for with his ability to out muscle press coverage for position. He is also a skilled downfield blocker, (ala Fitz).

Yes, he has had some off field problems with alcohol, but with Fitz mentoring him, it is almost like having a safety line tied to Fitz. I'm sure that Fitz will be all about teaching him how to be a responsible man along with showing him how to run routes. In actuality, there is probably not a better team for Floyd to have come to than AZ. Peer pressure is a wonderful tool, especially when used for good purposes. The fact that Fitz is considered by most to be 'elite' at their position, speaks volumes in my opinion. Just as Chris Carter taught Fitz, so will Fitz teach Floyd. This seems to be a win/win situation for all concerned. Everybody gets better, and the Cards reap the benefits.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't know about you, but I drank while underage in college perhaps more than 100 times. I drove drunk a couple of times. The latter is terrible and I'll never do it again. But, I now drink five times per year, so I was able to move past being a stupid teenager.

And again an NFL franchise isn't investing millions of dollars in you when you're 22.

THat's the point it is a risk and it's not something the Cards normally do.

It was what 3 months ago people were mocking the 49ers because Aldon Smith was like the 2nd or 3rd player to get a DUI in a few months?

 

[wilycoyote24]

And again an NFL franchise isn't investing millions of dollars in you when you're 22.

THat's the point it is a risk and it's not something the Cards normally do.

It was what 3 months ago people were mocking the 49ers because Aldon Smith was like the 2nd or 3rd player to get a DUI in a few months?

My point was simply that because someone drinks in excess at 18 or 20 has very little impact on whether they drink in excess later in life. EVERYONE drinks in excess in college... unless they go to BYU.

 

[Russ Smith]

Today cops bust everyone for drinking. They'll breathalyze 50 kids or more and herd them in line like cattle. Hell they've been doing that for 15-20 years and pre 9/11, I'd hate to be an under 21 kid now. Almost everyone I knew growing up had 2-6. They'd didn't even need to see YOU drinking. They just needed to see a single can if they wanted to being drunk by someone they asked ID, and they'd breathalyze everyone. Guilty until innocent catches more people. It's not like all those with drinking tickets got them because they were doing stupid stuff and the cop decided to bust them for alcohol. The cops use alcohol as license to run everyone through the gamut until you prove you're innocence by passing a test regardless of anything else. I'm not concerned one bit with these sort of crimes at least with regards to one being able to play football or hold down a job.

He was an adult, but a subjective law made drinking a crime for adults that weren't 21. Shoplifting is a worse crime.

He was arrested for running a stop sign on campus and blew a .19 on the breathalyzer.

Not exactly the same as what you wrote?

 

[SeattleCard]

I love the pick.

 

[Russ Smith]

He was going through a substance abuse program all this past year which came with random testing. It was part of his being reinstated. It is apart of the Notre dame handbook for alcohol assessment to get re-instated, the only thing Notre Dame waved as apart of that rule was the sitting out for a semester.



Not true at all. First he wasn't arrested three times, he was arrested once. He was given a $38 citation twice for under age drinking. Second its college. I spent my fair share of time in the campus police drunk tank. Doesn't mean I had a problem with alcohol. I was just a dumb college student who went to a party and paid for a red cup.

So ND regularly puts students in substance abuse programs who don't have problems with substance abuse?

 

[TJ]

But does he have a Nipple Ring under his pads?

Or has a syringe full of 'roids sticking out of his ass.

That won't matter because Kolb will not be the QB for too long even if ends up winning the starting position in training camp.

See, I don't buy into this. Why are people actively rooting against him? Chances are he will win the starting job and (barring injury) will keep it. It's not like he has Kurt Warner breathing down his neck like Leinart had. It's John Skelton, who has his own issues all together.

Quite frankly, I don't care if Early Doucet is playing QB as long as we get consistent production from the position.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Can we talk about something important for a minute? Am I the only one completely annoyed and pissed off by that stupid Verizon commercial with the crying mother and daughter? Seriously that commercial fires me up more than if the Cardinals drafted another Wendall Bryant. I can't hit my mute button fast enough.

 

[football karma]

Two thoughts:

Interesting in that the alcohol issues were well known, and yet Floyd has been a top 15 type prospect from the end of the college football season. Other players -- Janoris Jenkins for one, have tumbled due to character yet Floyd hasn't. It suggests multiple teams have done their due diligence on him and came away okay. We will see.

On a separate note: the write up I read noted that as a freshman and soph, he played 10 lbs lighter and looked much more explosive than his final season. I wonder if the first thing Lott does is to tell him to cut 10 lbs.

 

[Russ Smith]

My point was simply that because someone drinks in excess at 18 or 20 has very little impact on whether they drink in excess later in life. EVERYONE drinks in excess in college... unless they go to BYU.

And my point is most of those people aren't doing that at the risk of blowing millions of dollars in an NFL contract.

And again, it's VERY unusual for this franchise. Whether people want to admit it or not it's a big risk. It could pay off big time, it could be a disaster.

 

[wilycoyote24]

Can we talk about something important for a minute? Am I the only one completely annoyed and pissed off by that stupid Verizon commercial with the crying mother and daughter? Seriously that commercial fires me up more than if the Cardinals drafted another Wendall Bryant. I can't hit my mute button fast enough.

I personally hate those "wee" pig commercials for Geico. Every time I see one I immediate change the channel (often I watch something else out of protest).

 

[Phrazbit]

See, I don't buy into this. Why are people actively rooting against him? Chances are he will win the starting job and (barring injury) will keep it. It's not like he has Kurt Warner breathing down his neck like Leinart had. It's John Skelton, who has his own issues all together.

Quite frankly, I don't care if Early Doucet is playing QB as long as we get consistent production from the position.

Its just reality. I agree, barring injury, he will be the starter coming out of preseason, regardless of performance. They might give us lip service about a QB competition but there wont be one, he is being paid 10 million, its going to cost 6 million just to get rid of him next year. They're going to put him out there for better or worse.

However, between him getting injured or benched I'd say its 95% odds he wont be the starter by week 7.

 

[52brandon]

Love it. My favorite pick available

 

[desertdawg]

My point was simply that because someone drinks in excess at 18 or 20 has very little impact on whether they drink in excess later in life. EVERYONE drinks in excess in college... unless they go to BYU.

Word, can't even have a white girl friend at BYU.

 

[CardsFan88]

He was arrested for running a stop sign on campus and blew a .19 on the breathalyzer.

Not exactly the same as what you wrote?

What I wrote about was exactly what was intended. You are inferring my post and the drunk driving were the same thing. It wasn't. They're two separate issues. One is a ten, the other two are a zero. I was merely pointing out that the drinking tickets are zeros.

Everyone knows drinking and driving is terrible. That point is not contested by anyone.

The point in contention was the underage drinking tickets.

That point is what I was referring to. Just because both involve alcohol, doesn't mean they are similar offenses. They are miles apart.

In college two things are on the minds of men, ******** and beer.

With Fitz mentoring him, and money to buy a cab, I don't think it is much of a risk.

Does someone really think he's going to grey goose it up?

 

[TJ]

Some thoughts for all the nay-sayers on this board.

Offensively, this is what we have lacked since Boldin left. He is a taller, faster, Anquan Bodlin, who can also go up for the ball, AND who plays on the side of the field opposite Larry Fitzgerald. He is not yet a fluid route runner, but he will be working with Larry Fitzgerald as his mentor to learn how to play this position. What he lacks in fluidity right now, he already makes up for with his ability to out muscle press coverage for position. He is also a skilled downfield blocker, (ala Fitz).

Yes, he has had some off field problems with alcohol, but with Fitz mentoring him, it is almost like having a safety line tied to Fitz. I'm sure that Fitz will be all about teaching him how to be a responsible man along with showing him how to run routes. In actuality, there is probably not a better team for Floyd to have come to than AZ. Peer pressure is a wonderful tool, especially when used for good purposes. The fact that Fitz is considered by most to be 'elite' at their position, speaks volumes in my opinion. Just as Chris Carter taught Fitz, so will Fitz teach Floyd. This seems to be a win/win situation for all concerned. Everybody gets better, and the Cards reap the benefits.

Good post.

Everyone does get better. Fitz especially. While defenses will continue to bracket him with a corner and a safety, Floyd will be one-on-one with the team's #2 corner and will get a ton of targets. If he starts converting, teams are going to have to respect that and play more zone.

In addition, we have not had two viable receivers since Q and Fitz were handling business. While Kurt Warner's retirement had an undeniable impact on the passing game, so did the Q trade.

The off-the-field stuff I don't care about. Yes, he had struggles with alcohol prior to his senior year, but the usually conservative Cardinals must have been confident enough that it was behind him to spend a #1 pick on him, ignoring more glaring needs like tackle, etc.

I called this pick in Week 17 and am glad it has come to fruition.

Welcome, Floyd!

 

[Jetstream Green]

I know a kid who has two DUIs. He is a good kid but of course drinking and driving is still not acceptable but we should note this. Once one gets 1 and especially 2 DUIs, if a cop pulls in back of you on a Friday night and reads your plate and the DUI comes up...he will find a reason to stop you and check. So this means that more than any other student drinking on a weekend, his prior DUIs will get him caught more often due to his record and not any visible show of driving badly. I do not approve of him drinking and driving by no means, but if he does it, then he has a higher risk of getting pulled over than any of us doing it

 

[wilycoyote24]

And my point is most of those people aren't doing that at the risk of blowing millions of dollars in an NFL contract.

And again, it's VERY unusual for this franchise. Whether people want to admit it or not it's a big risk. It could pay off big time, it could be a disaster.

Fair enough. But, while I never put millions of dollars at risk, I did put my livelihood at risk by driving drunk. Thus, I don't think it is THAT different, even if I will never see a salary anywhere near the minimum in the NFL.

Also, a million things can go wrong. There is risk in every pick. Still, I'll agree, him being arrested isn't a GOOD thing.

 

[CardsFan88]

So ND regularly puts students in substance abuse programs who don't have problems with substance abuse?

Yes today any offense and you are considered one. It's part of the assume first policy our great leaders bestowed upon us young sheeple. It's done more for CYA so the school doesn't get sued as opposed to actually being for the benefit of the student.

Politics 101

 

[1DS]

Two thoughts:

Interesting in that the alcohol issues were well known, and yet Floyd has been a top 15 type prospect from the end of the college football season. Other players -- Janoris Jenkins for one, have tumbled due to character yet Floyd hasn't. It suggests multiple teams have done their due diligence on him and came away okay. We will see.

On a separate note: the write up I read noted that as a freshman and soph, he played 10 lbs lighter and looked much more explosive than his final season. I wonder if the first thing Lott does is to tell him to cut 10 lbs.

David Boston part II? Oh god.

 

[Darkside]

He was arrested for running a stop sign on campus and blew a .19 on the breathalyzer.

Not exactly the same as what you wrote?

I'm relatively happy with the pick, but blowing a .19 is wasted. That's an extreme DUI and almost a "super extreme" DUI (.20) in AZ. At his size and weight that is way trashed.

(I'm glad he got stopped instead of hurting someone at that level of alcohol intake)

 

[Russ Smith]

What I wrote about was exactly what was intended. You are inferring my post and the drunk driving were the same thing. It wasn't. They're two separate issues. One is a ten, the other two are a zero. I was merely pointing out that the drinking tickets are zeros.

Everyone knows drinking and driving is terrible. That point is not contested by anyone.

The point in contention was the underage drinking tickets.

That point is what I was referring to. Just because both involve alcohol, doesn't mean they are similar offenses. They are miles apart.

In college two things are on the minds of men, ******** and beer.

With Fitz mentoring him, and money to buy a cab, I don't think it is much of a risk.

Does someone really think he's going to grey goose it up?

You were saying police use drinking to crack down on students, they don't even have to see you drink if they see one can.

http://www.csub.edu/counselingcenter/mentalhealth/bloodalcohol.shtml

note the chart, a guy Floyd's weight would have had about 10-11 drinks in an hour to get a .19 on the breathalyzer.

If SF or Seattle took this kid there'd be a big thread on this board about how crazy they are to draft a kid who's got that history of issues with alcohol.

he's very good, I sure hope he's the next Cris Carter and cleans up his act and has a great pro career. But we don't normally draft players like this in the first round, for a reason.

 

[jw7]

I'm really happy with the pick.

Rieff slipped about 10 spots.

After that disaster of passing on Suggs and getting Pace and Bryant Johnson, I am more convinced than ever that you take BPA (and like Urban said, BPA that fills a need) That is the way to go.

We've drafted 2 1st round tackles in recent memory. L Davis and Brown, neither of which were pure superior pass protectors.

I like it.

 

[CardsFan88]

You were saying police use drinking to crack down on students, they don't even have to see you drink if they see one can.

http://www.csub.edu/counselingcenter/mentalhealth/bloodalcohol.shtml

note the chart, a guy Floyd's weight would have had about 10-11 drinks in an hour to get a .19 on the breathalyzer.

If SF or Seattle took this kid there'd be a big thread on this board about how crazy they are to draft a kid who's got that history of issues with alcohol.

he's very good, I sure hope he's the next Cris Carter and cleans up his act and has a great pro career. But we don't normally draft players like this in the first round, for a reason.

Or a normal amount in a party session. Today's kids don't drink, they BINGE. If you don't binge, you're doing it wrong. That's the way they do it. That's the norm. Not saying it's good, just saying that's what's done today and the last couple of decades....perhaps earlier. Don't know I'm 33 and that was accepted practice when I was in college, hell high school.

I'm just saying you keep looking at this like what he did wasn't normal, I'm telling you, normal is worse than what this kid did...sans drinking and driving.

I'd say the average kid not drinking and driving, just drinking and riding in a cab, or with a designated driver would blow a .15-.2X.

Yes I was at parties where they saw someone drinking, and rounded everyone up and breathalyzed everyone. Wouldn't let them leave. Had to take the test first. Anything over .000 was a ticket. This was pre 9/11. This wasn't unique, but the norm.

 

[desertdawg]

I'm really happy with the pick.

Rieff slipped about 10 spots.

After that disaster of passing on Suggs and getting Pace and Bryant Johnson, I am more convinced than ever that you take BPA (and like Urban said, BPA that fills a need) That is the way to go.

We've drafted 2 1st round tackles in recent memory. L Davis and Brown, neither of which were pure superior pass protectors.

I like it.

Yup and we've drafted key positions the last 2 years now in the first round, not saying O-line isn't key...but the value of the pick (both BPA and mixed with some need) we got doesn't have me wishing we traded down.