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[Russ Smith]

He didn't though. And by all account turned it around. He was vetted by the Cardinals who normally choose high character guys. If that's good enough for MB and KW it is certainly good enough for me. Damn if Vick can get a second chance for killing dogs and Ray Lewis can get a second chance being involved in some way shape or form in murder I can certainly give a young man a second chance who drank too much in college.

Completely agree, just don't pick give him that 2nd chance with the 13th pick of the first round of the NFL draft.

 

[CardsFan88]

Depends on what he was drinking and the alcohol content in it but its the amount of alcohol not the amount of drinks that gets you to .19 faster.

But I agree it's inexact, it was just the first police sponsored chart I found off google.

Yeah it's a lot of alcohol, but it's an amount college age kids consume. Some people even have breathalyzers and whoever has the highest wins prestige. It's the culture.

He was absolutely stupid to get behind the wheel. But it's an alcohol level that in a night of partying one can reach. Remember it's not just beer. Lots of mixed drinks.

It doesn't help that most liquor is sugarized and compacted. Kids go through huge amounts and don't even know it. They should know it, maybe even suspect they're drunk, but most probably don't realize they're THAT drunk.

It's not just men, the women today drink a ton too. Which also leads to pressure on men...can't let a women drink 5 mixed drinks and you not keep up. Stuff like that.

No excuses for getting behind a wheel. But having that level of alcohol isn't abnormal today. Probably was dumb and had a couple of shots right before he left.

 

[wilycoyote24]

so why is he the only ND player we heard of this happening with?

It's okay to say the guy does have some pretty alarming red flags but I hope he's grown out of them, rather than just make up excuses for the guy.

I am just saying that I could see me having those same red flags. Why he got caught and others didn't? I don't know. However, I am not concerned about THIS fact. It isn't something that should be completely ignored, though.

 

[MrYeahBut]

fwiw, I've been clean and sober 23 years now after blowing a couple decades of my life. Some people don't get it right away.... as in yours truly. Started in high school, sobered up in my 40's. Wasn't easy but I made it. never got a dui... don't know how I missed that.


I hope Mr Floyd gets it.



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[gmabel830]

Drinking and drug use is so overblown.

Much better to have a guy doing these things than being lazy and having an attitude.

Or you could be all of the above (the pointer, no the pointee)...

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[Russ Smith]

so why is he the only ND player we heard of this happening with?

It's okay to say the guy does have some pretty alarming red flags but I hope he's grown out of them, rather than just make up excuses for the guy.

Claus(s)en got busted a couple of times at ND too, it was one of the reasons I complained so loudly about him before the draft at that time. That and I knew he was one of the most immature unlikable kids to come along in years.

I don't know anything like that about Floyd but given that he was a freshman when Clausen got in trouble it actually IS possible that they cracked down and he just happened to be there. Highly unlikely but possible.

 

[CardsFan88]

I didn't like Claussen (other than the normal reasons) because his mentality just didn't seem like he was ready or able to be in the NFL. I still remember Gruden asking him a question and he lied that it wasn't his fault and threw his wr/te under the bus.

A guy like that I think doesn't have it. I just don't get the same feeling with Floyd. I think he is a different sort of guy.

Could he be a better actor? Always a possibility, but one I doubt.

Claussen just screamed scumbag at me....with a weak arm.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Completely agree, just don't pick give him that 2nd chance with the 13th pick of the first round of the NFL draft.

When this season is all said and done a lot of people are going to be happy the Cards took Floyd over Reiff. The only other player I would have chosen over Floyd is Ingram. Fitz is the best player in this team and Floyd's arrival automatically increases Fitz's production. You have to look at it as the Cardinals got two players tonight, not one.

 

[Darkside]

When this season is all said and done a lot of people are going to be happy the Cards took Floyd over Reiff. The only other player I would have chosen over Floyd is Ingram. Fitz is the best player in this team and Floyd's arrival automatically increases Fitz's production. You have to look at it as the Cardinals got two players tonight, not one.

Very legitimate way to look at it, but I'd have to ask how much better do you think Fitz can get? Like, 2008 playoffs every single game better? The dude is so outstanding even with the crappiest of QB's throwing to him it's hard for me to imagine he makes Fitz better. My feeling is that he (Floyd) actually makes our TE's more open and opens up the middle for runs. He may also open up the flats bigtime because the LB's will have to cheat on Floyd. Teams are still going to try and take away Fitz every game, even with Floyd. They did it all last year, the year before, the year before, and I don't expect that to change. But dude, imagine Beanie up behind LT and RT, our TE's in the middle and Ryan Freakin Williams leaking out to the flats. Defenses can't cover everything. We may even get a screen game working at some point. One can hope.

 

[Capital Card]

This one's for you SKORP!!!

You just know Skorp was working his magic from above on this one. For those of you who didn't know our captain, he bled Irish gold.

When was the last time we drafted a Notre Dame player in the 1st round?

I am thrilled with the pick---I never thought Floyd would be available at #13. He is a top ten talent for sure and an ideal fit for our offense---physical, strong, go up and get it WR. A+ value.

I haven't finished reading this thread yet, but when the pick was read, I immediately thought of Skkorp.

Floyd isn't the player I wanted, but I can see why Whiz wanted him. I'm looking forward to seeing him on the field, and think he makes the offense much more dynamic.

Welcome to the Birdgang!!!

 

[Chopper0080]

3 arrests by the time you're 21 is a history.

I disagree, and am not concerned at all. However, that is why you have veterans on your team. He is a kid who made some stupid mistakes with alcohol like most kids do. I probably drank more before I was 21 than I did after and am still a productive member of society. I'm sure he can too.

 

[seesred]

Love the pick. OL is next.

GBR
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[Russ Smith]

I disagree, and am not concerned at all. However, that is why you have veterans on your team. He is a kid who made some stupid mistakes with alcohol like most kids do. I probably drank more before I was 21 than I did after and am still a productive member of society. I'm sure he can too.

With all due respect I'll say it once more and then go to bed. The Cards didn't just draft you with the 13th pick, they drafted Michael Floyd. It doesn't matter that you came out ok, hell I quit drinking before I was 21, I'm perfectly aware that kids drink. I know tons of people my age who drank at that age, lots of them are bragging about how long they've been sober on Facebook these days. Many of them had years of problems related to their drinking.

None of them were NFL first round picks. none of them were in careers that are typically over before they're 30. The Cards have had a very clear policy of avoiding picks like this.

You have veterans on your team because they can play football, not to keep a rookie from drinking too much. Every NFL player in history who had issues with drugs or alcohol had veterans on his team too. Fitz is an incredible football player, he's not a one man rehab facility.

If SF or Seattle had picked this kid there'd be a thread nearly as long as this one with people ripping them for picking a kid who had those red flags.

I sincerely hope the pick works out and the kid has a terrific career but this is a very clear shift in draft policy for the Cardinals.

 

[Chopper0080]

With all due respect I'll say it once more and then go to bed. The Cards didn't just draft you with the 13th pick, they drafted Michael Floyd. It doesn't matter that you came out ok, hell I quit drinking before I was 21, I'm perfectly aware that kids drink. I know tons of people my age who drank at that age, lots of them are bragging about how long they've been sober on Facebook these days. Many of them had years of problems related to their drinking.

None of them were NFL first round picks. none of them were in careers that are typically over before they're 30. The Cards have had a very clear policy of avoiding picks like this.

You have veterans on your team because they can play football, not to keep a rookie from drinking too much. Every NFL player in history who had issues with drugs or alcohol had veterans on his team too. Fitz is an incredible football player, he's not a one man rehab facility.

If SF or Seattle had picked this kid there'd be a thread nearly as long as this one with people ripping them for picking a kid who had those red flags.

I sincerely hope the pick works out and the kid has a terrific career but this is a very clear shift in draft policy for the Cardinals.

His crime was getting caught doing what the majority of college students do at some point in time. It's in the past, and belongs in the past. Was it stupid? Yes. Did he get busted his senior year when his career was on the line? No. He has demonstrated, IMO, that alcohol is not the top priority in his life by not having issues when it mattered the most. Good enough for me.

 

[187]

With all due respect I'll say it once more and then go to bed. The Cards didn't just draft you with the 13th pick, they drafted Michael Floyd. It doesn't matter that you came out ok, hell I quit drinking before I was 21, I'm perfectly aware that kids drink. I know tons of people my age who drank at that age, lots of them are bragging about how long they've been sober on Facebook these days. Many of them had years of problems related to their drinking.

None of them were NFL first round picks. none of them were in careers that are typically over before they're 30. The Cards have had a very clear policy of avoiding picks like this.

You have veterans on your team because they can play football, not to keep a rookie from drinking too much. Every NFL player in history who had issues with drugs or alcohol had veterans on his team too. Fitz is an incredible football player, he's not a one man rehab facility.

If SF or Seattle had picked this kid there'd be a thread nearly as long as this one with people ripping them for picking a kid who had those red flags.

I sincerely hope the pick works out and the kid has a terrific career but this is a very clear shift in draft policy for the Cardinals.

The two MIC's (which are possibly the weakest thing a college student can be arrested for) do not worry me at all. An MIC does not mean you were out of your mind hammered, he could have walked outside with his only beer of the night in his hand and been slapped with a MIC. I guarantee you that a HUGE percentage of all college football players have been guilty of this, but didn't have the police show up at whatever party they were at. The DUI is the only worrying issue, but people make mistakes and he's been fine since that incident. He manned up in interviews and didn't pull a Vontaze and try blaming everyone but himself for his shortcoming(s).

He didn't get arrested for assault, robbery/burglary, possession of narcotics, etc. He doesn't have a questionable work ethic. I'm pretty sure Brian Kelly said he's the most driven, hardest practicing player he's ever coached. In terms of changing our policy and drafting players with "red flags", Floyd's red flag rap sheet is about as minimal as you can get. We didn't draft pacman jones. Justin Blackmon got a DUI and you don't hear about it, because he went to OSU and no ND. Different cultures. It's not like the guy is a raging alcoholic that's drinking at halftime, he got caught at two parties and then made a true boneheaded mistake with the DUI. Not worried at all.

 

[AsUdUdE]

So Stoked About This Pick...

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Man, I was listening to KTAR620 on the way home during the draft and I pulled up to my house right as the Cards were on the clock. Between checking the mail and pulling the trash can in, I missed a good 5 minutes before I could get to the TV. While I was driving, the guys on KTAR were talking about the cards trading back with teams like NYJ and SD. I was just thinking that the Cards should just sit on it and take their guy (Floyd). Stop trying to get all cute. Remember Suggs vs. Pace/Johnson? Yeah, I do.

By the time I got the TV on, it was a commercial break with the chyron reading the Cards were on the clock. I waited for another two minutes and Goodell came out to announce the pick. Floyd.

Thank God. No damned trades, no damned half-ass OL (we already have enough of those). Great first day. I don't even care about the 2nd round right now. If we can leverage our way in, there's some great value. But, it would be hard to bump the Cards of an 'A' grade for this draft - even if they drafted the re-animated corpse of Chris Farley in the 3rd.

 

[Bodha]

Great pick. Perfect 1st round. Not only does he add an offensive weapon, but he also makes our best player better (who is an elite, top 5 NFL talent). Therefore, no homer, I think this was the single best pick in the draft (for teams who only had 1 pick).

The two MIC's (which are possibly the weakest thing a college student can be arrested for) do not worry me at all. An MIC does not mean you were out of your mind hammered, he could have walked outside with his only beer of the night in his hand and been slapped with a MIC. I guarantee you that a HUGE percentage of all college football players have been guilty of this, but didn't have the police show up at whatever party they were at. The DUI is the only worrying issue, but people make mistakes and he's been fine since that incident. He manned up in interviews and didn't pull a Vontaze and try blaming everyone but himself for his shortcoming(s).

He didn't get arrested for assault, robbery/burglary, possession of narcotics, etc. He doesn't have a questionable work ethic. I'm pretty sure Brian Kelly said he's the most driven, hardest practicing player he's ever coached. In terms of changing our policy and drafting players with "red flags", Floyd's red flag rap sheet is about as minimal as you can get. We didn't draft pacman jones. Justin Blackmon got a DUI and you don't hear about it, because he went to OSU and no ND. Different cultures. It's not like the guy is a raging alcoholic that's drinking at halftime, he got caught at two parties and then made a true boneheaded mistake with the DUI. Not worried at all.

Where Im from, Cops hand out MIC's like theyre Halloween candy. Every student I know has gotten an MIC. They are BS. In fact, odds are, If you got an MIC, you werent hammered, you were buzzed. If you were blacking out, they would give you a public intoxication or something more serious.

so people tripping over his MIC's, calm down. Its basically the College students version of a speeding ticket.

his DUI is upsetting. Thats messed up, but he says (and coaches say) hes matured.

 

[GatorAZ]

So Stoked About This Pick...

Me too.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

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LOL so true.

Floyds a beast though and those doubting now wont soon enough. Ive been watching him since he was a freshman. NFL all over him.

And the fact that hes Larrys boy - and Larry already take a vested interest in all young WRs - and is going to be in Floyds ear pushing him to be great?

Gonna be sweet.

 

[Russ Smith]

The two MIC's (which are possibly the weakest thing a college student can be arrested for) do not worry me at all. An MIC does not mean you were out of your mind hammered, he could have walked outside with his only beer of the night in his hand and been slapped with a MIC. I guarantee you that a HUGE percentage of all college football players have been guilty of this, but didn't have the police show up at whatever party they were at. The DUI is the only worrying issue, but people make mistakes and he's been fine since that incident. He manned up in interviews and didn't pull a Vontaze and try blaming everyone but himself for his shortcoming(s).

He didn't get arrested for assault, robbery/burglary, possession of narcotics, etc. He doesn't have a questionable work ethic. I'm pretty sure Brian Kelly said he's the most driven, hardest practicing player he's ever coached. In terms of changing our policy and drafting players with "red flags", Floyd's red flag rap sheet is about as minimal as you can get. We didn't draft pacman jones. Justin Blackmon got a DUI and you don't hear about it, because he went to OSU and no ND. Different cultures. It's not like the guy is a raging alcoholic that's drinking at halftime, he got caught at two parties and then made a true boneheaded mistake with the DUI. Not worried at all.

And yet with it being so common and ND being so strict on it, if you type in the name of every ND kid who MIGHT get drafted this year into google, there's only one where as you finish his last name google starts offering DUI, alcohol, arrested etc. Only one, Michael Floyd.

Must be incredibly unlucky, went to 2 parties in college and got an MIC both times?

It's a pattern, it's a history, it's something the Cards organization has intentionally avoided with high picks for years now.

I hope it works, I get why they like him as a player, and I get why Fitz likes him, I just worry about a kid with a whole bunch of money in his pocket who has that history, I hope he actually does follow Fitz around like a puppy.

 

[82CardsGrad]

And yet with it being so common and ND being so strict on it, if you type in the name of every ND kid who MIGHT get drafted this year into google, there's only one where as you finish his last name google starts offering DUI, alcohol, arrested etc. Only one, Michael Floyd.

Must be incredibly unlucky, went to 2 parties in college and got an MIC both times?

It's a pattern, it's a history, it's something the Cards organization has intentionally avoided with high picks for years now.

I hope it works, I get why they like him as a player, and I get why Fitz likes him, I just worry about a kid with a whole bunch of money in his pocket who has that history, I hope he actually does follow Fitz around like a puppy.

FWIW - I don't disagree with anything you've said in this thread Russ. My only hope is that the rest of the Cards team (Coaches and Players), especially Fitz, can work with Floyd and help him mature - as a player and a person. You're right, the Cards almost always avoid these kinds of picks... gonna be interesting...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

And yet with it being so common and ND being so strict on it, if you type in the name of every ND kid who MIGHT get drafted this year into google, there's only one where as you finish his last name google starts offering DUI, alcohol, arrested etc. Only one, Michael Floyd.

Must be incredibly unlucky, went to 2 parties in college and got an MIC both times?

It's a pattern, it's a history, it's something the Cards organization has intentionally avoided with high picks for years now.

I hope it works, I get why they like him as a player, and I get why Fitz likes him, I just worry about a kid with a whole bunch of money in his pocket who has that history, I hope he actually does follow Fitz around like a puppy.

Coach said he cleaned up his act in the last year. A guy who graduated in three-and-half-years (sociology) seems to have a few good things going for himself beyond football talent.

 

[Russ Smith]

Coach said he cleaned up his act in the last year. A guy who graduated in three-and-half-years (sociology) seems to have a few good things going for himself beyond football talent.

Sure I agree, he graduated early appears to be a smart kid.

Here's what Lombardi recently said about Floyd.

"NFL Network's Mike Lombardi says he left Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd out of his recent top-20 mock draft because NFL teams have expressed concern about Floyd's character and interviews.
Lombardi concedes he "could see" Arizona taking the plunge at No. 13. "I've heard so many conflicting reports on his off-the-field activities," Lombardi said. "I've heard from reliable people in the league that he wasn't that impressive in his interviews." Floyd had a recurring alcohol problem in college. He could go as early as No. 10 to Buffalo or as late as No. 21 to Cincinnati."

-Rotoworld.com-


That's all I'm saying, people that are saying it's all behind him and that he did well in the interviews and we shouldn't worry about it are overlooking that apparently that wasn't the universal opinion of NFL people in this draft.

It's a risk, hopefully it pays off for us.

In a draft where you have no 2nd rounder, taking that risk with the first rounder is a real leap of faith IMO.

Should add I found the rules in Indiana, under the new adopted law a judge has the discretion to require a first time DUI offender be required to have an interlock device installed if there are prior alcohol related incidents(not DUI's) and if the judge determines there is sufficient reason to believe it's the right decision. In other words if the judge thinks the first time DUI driver is a risk, the judge can now at his or her discretion require it.

 

[CardsFan88]

Google is a search engine that is different for everyone. What one person types in and gets, is not the same as what others type in and get.

Since you were searching for DUI stuff, and then searched for Michael Floyd, the CIA machine linked the two together and gave the results you were searching for first.

Even then, just because it's more reported doesn't mean it's equal. People got to remember of the the 12 picks that went before Floyd, it's highly likely that about ten of them drank as much or more than Floyd, they just didn't get caught.

You also might not want to go to CBS sportsline and read the opinion piece about pot. Not about Floyd, but amongst colleges in general and the NFL downgrading it as a red flag because of the culture.