Welcome Ty Jerome

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm hoping Saric returns to the form he displayed with the 76ers. Admittedly I have not watched him much with the Wolves. I agree with your concept of 1, 3 and 4 should be defensive players. I'm not sure what type of team defender Saric happens to be.

I think reuniting with Monty helps towards that end.

 

[elindholm]

B) while admittedly not perfect (as you aptly described), he is a good 3 pt shooter (so better fit than randle), and will likely be cheaper even if we resign him next offseason.

Not that I'm suggesting this, but technically couldn't the Suns extend him now? He's entering the fourth year of his rookie deal.

 

[1Sun]

Exactly. Saric isn’t perfect pairing, but he’s:

A) a legit PF, so more than we had last year; and
B) while admittedly not perfect (as you aptly described), he is a good 3 pt shooter (so better fit than randle), and will likely be cheaper even if we resign him next offseason.

How is Saric different from Dragan Bender?

 

[elindholm]

How is Saric different from Dragan Bender?

Taking a few minutes to watch them both play would answer that question. You can probably find clips on YouTube.

 

[SirStefan32]

Not that I'm suggesting this, but technically couldn't the Suns extend him now? He's entering the fourth year of his rookie deal.

I believe so.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

If he was really the player they wanted, they traded down where they could and then took him. Sometimes you lose out on your guy by trying to get too cute. You also never know for sure exactly how others value your player. We tend to take mocks as gospel, but they are only guesses.

I really have no idea about how Cam will turn out and I really have no idea what kind of talent evaluator James Jones is yet. I have been lukewarm on him, but it is way too early to call him an idiot. Even then, GM’s can make mistakes. Masai is eceryone’s hero right now but a few years ago he drafted an unknown South American teenage bust in the first round.

This. Just look at this draft. Most fans would have been fine with Clarke at 11, but hindsight would suggest that it would have been a significant reach because he didn’t actually go until 21.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm sure Saric wants to know his market value in free agency unless the Suns want to make a substantial offer. He assuredly is going to make much more than $4,791,212 when he hits free agency. Also the Suns still need to take care of Oubre.

 

[1Sun]

Taking a few minutes to watch them both play would answer that question. You can probably find clips on YouTube.

I have watched both play. Both are somewhat timid, manhandled inside, have pretty looking outside shots with very inconsistent results, tend to float from time to time, and look clumsy when they try to do anything but shoot.

 

[1Sun]

This. Just look at this draft. Most fans would have been fine with Clarke at 11, but hindsight would suggest that it would have been a significant reach because he didn’t actually go until 21.

Except than Johnson wouldn't have even been selected in the first round...

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Except than Johnson wouldn't have even been selected in the first round...

And you know that how? Even the mock drafts had him going in the first round.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm sure Saric wants to know his market value in free agency unless the Suns want to make a substantial offer. He assuredly is going to make much more than $4,791,212 when he hits free agency. Also the Suns still need to take care of Oubre.

Yeah it’s a good question. His value is at the lower end and maybe you get a discount doing it early. Conversely as a RFA you get a year with Monty as a trial period to determine how he fits in with your future plans b

 

[elindholm]

I have watched both play. Both are somewhat timid, manhandled inside, have pretty looking outside shots with very inconsistent results, tend to float from time to time, and look clumsy when they try to do anything but shoot.

Saric has averaged 127 made threes per season on 36% shooting. Bender has averaged 56 per season on 32%. Saric has earned 27 mpg on competitive teams, while Bender has "earned" 20 mpg, not factoring in his many DNP-CDs, on one of the league's biggest jokes. Saric's rebound rate is much higher, his assist rate is higher, and his foul rate is lower. Saric gets to the line almost three times as frequently as Bender, and outshoots him there 84% to 65%.

I get that part of your schtick is to just throw up random negativity, but you should at least try to maintain a connection to reality.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Saric has averaged 127 made threes per season on 36% shooting. Bender has averaged 56 per season on 32%. Saric has earned 27 mpg on competitive teams, while Bender has "earned" 20 mpg, not factoring in his many DNP-CDs, on one of the league's biggest jokes. Saric's rebound rate is much higher, his assist rate is higher, and his foul rate is lower. Saric gets to the line almost three times as frequently as Bender, and outshoots him there 84% to 65%.

I get that part of your schtick is to just throw up random negativity, but you should at least try to maintain a connection to reality.

The truth is if we got from bender what saric has provided we would be happy (at this point).

 

[elindholm]

The truth is if we got from bender what saric has provided we would be happy (at this point).

Saric is miles better than Bender and a better fit than Warren. He was a good acquisition. It was in the aftermath of the draft-day moves where the Suns lost their way.

 

[1Sun]

Saric has averaged 127 made threes per season on 36% shooting. Bender has averaged 56 per season on 32%. Saric has earned 27 mpg on competitive teams, while Bender has "earned" 20 mpg, not factoring in his many DNP-CDs, on one of the league's biggest jokes. Saric's rebound rate is much higher, his assist rate is higher, and his foul rate is lower. Saric gets to the line almost three times as frequently as Bender, and outshoots him there 84% to 65%.

I get that part of your schtick is to just throw up random negativity, but you should at least try to maintain a connection to reality.

Last summer, people on this board were using similar reasoning to applaud the acquisition of Ryan Anderson and support his insertion into our lineup as the starting power forward. How did that one work out for us?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Last summer, people on this board were using similar reasoning to applaud the acquisition of Ryan Anderson and support his insertion into our lineup as the starting power forward. How did that one work out for us?

We were paying too much attention to what he was in the past and not focused on the fact that he was over the hill and couldn’t do those things anymore. Saric is not in that same boat as he is still young and likely has his best days ahead of him.

 

[elindholm]

Last summer, people on this board were using similar reasoning to applaud the acquisition of Ryan Anderson and support his insertion into our lineup as the starting power forward. How did that one work out for us?

True, some people on this board will be enthusiastic about every move the Suns make. I never said anything positive about Anderson.

 

[1Sun]

G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PT

66 50 26.1 3.1 7.3 .431 2.0 5.1 .386 1.2 2.1 .539 .568 1.1 1.4 .774 1.4 3.6 5.0 0.9 0.4 0.3 0.6 1.9 9.3

68 28 23.9 3.8 8.3 .454 1.4 3.7 .383 2.3 4.6 .511 .540 1.5 1.8 .875 1.5 3.9 5.5 1.5 0.6 0.1 1.1 2.1 10.5


These are the statistics for Dario Saric last year and Ryan Anderson the year before. Can you figure out which is which?

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah it’s a good question. His value is at the lower end and maybe you get a discount doing it early. Conversely as a RFA you get a year with Monty as a trial period to determine how he fits in with your future plans b

I'd like to wrap it up depending on what the Suns do in free agency. Monty Williams probably already knows what Saric can do having coached in Philadelphia and likely played a role in the Suns trading for him.

 

[elindholm]

G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PT

66 50 26.1 3.1 7.3 .431 2.0 5.1 .386 1.2 2.1 .539 .568 1.1 1.4 .774 1.4 3.6 5.0 0.9 0.4 0.3 0.6 1.9 9.3

68 28 23.9 3.8 8.3 .454 1.4 3.7 .383 2.3 4.6 .511 .540 1.5 1.8 .875 1.5 3.9 5.5 1.5 0.6 0.1 1.1 2.1 10.5


These are the statistics for Dario Saric last year and Ryan Anderson the year before. Can you figure out which is which?

Yes. Look at rebound rate, assist rate, FT%, etc.

 

[1Sun]

Yes. Look at rebound rate, assist rate, FT%, etc.

Other than FT% and 2PT attempts, the numbers are pretty darn similar across the board.

 

[Covert Rain]

When we drafted him a friend of mine watched Ty Jerome play through his college career hit me up on Facebook, said we will love his work ethic and his drive to get better. He told me he isn't flashy or overly athletic and struggles in the lane sometimes but he simply gets the job done. His words not mine...."he is a sneaky player".

If he is sneaky or crafty, shoots well from the outside...I can think of some NBA guards that made a career out of that. Take it for what it's worth but he is pretty high on this kid.

 

[1Sun]

When we drafted him a friend of mine watched Ty Jerome play through his college career hit me up on Facebook, said we will love his work ethic and his drive to get better. He told me he isn't flashy or overly athletic and struggles in the lane sometimes but he simply gets the job done. His words not mine...."he is a sneaky player".

If he is sneaky or crafty, shoots well from the outside...I can think of some NBA guards that made a career out of that. Take it for what it's worth but he is pretty high on this kid.

I think he can be a good NBA back-up eventually. We still don't have a starter, now or for the future.

 

[Covert Rain]

I think he can be a good NBA back-up eventually. We still don't have a starter, now or for the future.

I am not ready to judge any of these kids yet.

 

[1Sun]

I am not ready to judge any of these kids yet.

Who is currently the least athletic legitimate starting point guard in the NBA? I guarantee you he is more athletic than Ty Jerome.