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[DieHardFromMO]

wait its ok for us to sign Quan to a big contract with his injury history but not ok to sign James? Like I said with the new revenue stream coming in from next years opening with the stadium why not do it?

I have never offered an opinion on Quan and his contract situation.

With his injury history I would be reluctant to offer huge dollars for Quan either. Quan just needs to accept the fact he was not the #3 pick in the NFL draft. His payday will come, it just needs to wait until people like Wendell Bryant, Ray Thompson, AC, Calvin Pace aren't wasting cap dollars.

I would like to see a full season out of Quan with no injuries before giving him a new contract.

As you say, with the new stadium Mr. Bidwill will have access to new found revenues, and maybe then we can afford to give Quan a huge signing bonus and a long term contract instead of having to do the Cardinal customary lower signing bonus contract with large flat salaries every season.

 

[Reddog]

I'll pass. He just doesn't seem to have the kind of attitude we want here. Remember how he wouldn't work out with the team in the off season and didn't he miss all the so called voluntary camps with a "I'll do my thing in Florida"? I hope he goes to Miami or Tampa so we have a better shot at one of the top 3 RBs in the draft. Best case scenario is Miami so we still have a shot at #36 for LJ.

 

[CardinalLaw]

Would you take a trip to the SB if it put us in cap hell? I would, and so would the Titans. They're paying for it now, but they got there. Would you take a SB victory if it put us in cap hell? I would, and so did the Ravens, who won a SB but then had to deal with a year of cap hell. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Add Edge, and the SB is a VERY real possibility this year, and an even better possibility the following season.

Yes I would but those teams were good for 5 years or so before getting into cap hell. It would not be that long for us. I never even new the Ravens were ever in cap hell. They just signed Mason and Rolle, they must have some money right. I just don't think we are an Edge away from making it to the SB either.

 

[Stout]

HE'S NOT WORTH IT!!! He's not a young back anymore. He hasn't been the explosive back that gained 1700 yrds in a long time. His potential is limited, he can only get worse, not better.

He's what, 26 years old? Hardly over the hill. Yes, he has HAD injury problems in the past, but he's two years removed from them and posting outstanding numbers.

Hasn't been the explosive back that gained 1700 yards, huh? I guess 1548 rushing yards with 9 touchdowns is chump change, then? Add in almost 500 yards receiving on 51 catches...but his potential is limited.

HE IS WORTH IT!!! Whether or not I agree that we should pay one player so much, the guy is worth the money. If we pursue him and land him at a high price, I'll trust Graves and Green. If not, we have a lot of other options.

If we DO get James, however, I will unashamedly say we have a chance at the Superbowl.

 

[seesred]

THere are ways of spreading out money and restructuring in the future of many big contracts. Don't forget only the upfront money is going to the player up front. We need a guy like EJ to spread our fan base and make it stronger going into the new revenue streams of our Stadium. I say second round pick goes to alexanders or EJ team after we renogitate the contract to make it as cap friendly as possible. That being said I don't think this will fly because of the mistake with made with Jake plummer and his huger than life contract.. Bidwill's are noted for if nothing else not wanting to take a second shot at a good idea. Point in fact Ryan..It took many years to swallow that , but now we have Green who's job is similar but not exactly the same there are more checks and balances.

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In Green we believe

 

[Stout]

I'll pass. He just doesn't seem to have the kind of attitude we want here. Remember how he wouldn't work out with the team in the off season and didn't he miss all the so called voluntary camps with a "I'll do my thing in Florida"? I hope he goes to Miami or Tampa so we have a better shot at one of the top 3 RBs in the draft. Best case scenario is Miami so we still have a shot at #36 for LJ.

If he gains over 1500 yards rushing and another 400 plus receiving for us, he can wear a tutu to practice for all I care!

 

[CardLogic]

I'll pass. He just doesn't seem to have the kind of attitude we want here. Remember how he wouldn't work out with the team in the off season and didn't he miss all the so called voluntary camps with a "I'll do my thing in Florida"? I hope he goes to Miami or Tampa so we have a better shot at one of the top 3 RBs in the draft. Best case scenario is Miami so we still have a shot at #36 for LJ.

Contrast E. James attitude (if accurate) with a quote from Okeafor:

Okeafor, and his wife Stephanie, plan on relocating quickly to Arizona so he can participate in the off-season program.

“That’s very important,” said Okeafor of working out with his teammates. “That’s how it happens on the field. It starts with sweating together in the weight room.”

 

[Stout]

Yes I would but those teams were good for 5 years or so before getting into cap hell. It would not be that long for us. I never even new the Ravens were ever in cap hell. They just signed Mason and Rolle, they must have some money right. I just don't think we are an Edge away from making it to the SB either.

The Ravens were NOT good for five years or so previous to winning the SB. They were 6-10 and 8-8 in the two seasons leading up to their SB run. Hardly good and, ya know, just about where we fall. Funny, isn't it?

PS: The Ravens spent the season after their SB run in cap hell. They're fine now.

 

[Scott MS]

This guy seems like he's all out for the money. I would pass on him and so would Bill Belichek.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I want to win also, but I want to be able to keep the young players we have. Not be in salary cap hell in 2 years, and have to cut Boldin, Berry, Wilson, Fitz, and so on.

I'm with youu RB's are becoming cheaper and cheaper and easier obtain, then ever. You can land a good starting RB in the 2nd, I see no reason to tie up so much money at the HB position, when the Cards have so much invested in their WR Corps. The passing game should be good enough, that the Cards should not require a Franchise back to be successful. This team would fall apart if they put all the money into the Offensive side of the ball, Cards could not Keep a QB, James, Fitz, Boldin, Davis all on the same side, just will not work.

 

[SuperSpck]

Pass on the payday for a guy who probably doesn't care as much about winning as money (I want to see a guy take less cash to help attract other big talent). Pass on another potential holdout.

Injuries don't bother me though. At anytime even the most healthy player can be hurt, badly (like the McGahee knee injury that makes a man gag). If a player can recover, more power to him.

 

[HeavyB3]

Edge was interviewed yesterday on Sirius NFL Radio. It sounds as if he doesn't care where he played, even if it was the CFL as long as he gets a long term deal. Seems to me he's all about money, but thats not a bad thing. He says during the season, he goes out and does his job, goes home, sleeps and gets up to go do his job again. Then, no matter what he goes home during the offseason to work out, relax, ect. He says he doesn't care where he is, he just wants to play football.

 

[40yearfan]

Great point, because both Portis and LT carried their teams into the superbowl last year...well worth the money!

I don't post often, but this concept is severely flawed.

The other side of that coin is that James was on the team who had IMO, the best QB on any NFL team, but he could not get them to the SB.

 

[AntSports Steve]

1) The Cards either have or can make enough cap room to fit EJ if they wish.

2) I would not give him a contract longer than 4 years. After that the risk is just oo high of him being dead weight.

3) Because of the new CBA that's being worked, the salary cap will probably jump from 2005 $85M, 2006 $89M, 2007 $100M. With growth like that in the salary cap, even a large EJ contract would not put the Cards into cap Hell.

It's all about the players value. He wants too long of a deal, he's about the money only, he doesn't like to workout with his team.

I'll take Alexander instead.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree, let someother team pay him 50 million. Even if we didn't have to trade a pick, I wouldn't want the guy he is all about the money and care less who he plays for or if they win or not. That contract would also kill our chances to win anything, and get Boldin signed. That was the worse interview ever, I really don't see anyone trading for the guy this year.

this is a ridiculous statement. all he cares about is the money? doesn't care about winning? where in the world did you get that impression? just b/c he wants a lot of cash? what player doesn't try to get the biggest contract possible? only the aging vet who has made a ton of cash already and wants to play for a ring. i don't begrudge these players trying to cash in. they have limited playing careers and it's all supply and demand. you're making edge into a bad guy when he's not. he always plays hard. he plays injured. he's a winner. always been one. yeah, we don't want or need his kind here!

 

[slanidrac16]

One back is slowly becoming a thing of the past. I think in the long run I'd rather have a guy like Bennett along with Arrington, Hambrick and add Sproles for Giggles. We could have all 4 of these guys for less than James.
Running back is becoming more of a 2 or 3 headed monster. I don't think I want to put all our eggs in 1 basket.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't post oftenQUOTE]


UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR! and it's only march!

 

[Cheesebeef]

I seem to remember a TON of people talking about how Donovan McNabb's ridiculous contract was going to destroy the Eagesl- but yet they went out and got the TWO BIGGEST FA on the market last year and continue to be the favorites in the NFC year after year after year. I think people are afraid of big contracts because, well, they've never seen the Cardinals sign someone to one and really don't know WHAT it will actually do to our cap. I'm comfortable with the management in place and DG here that if they were to do a deal for Edge they would make sure it didn't kill the team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'll pass. He just doesn't seem to have the kind of attitude we want here. Remember how he wouldn't work out with the team in the off season and didn't he miss all the so called voluntary camps with a "I'll do my thing in Florida"? QUOTE]


yeah, and boy did he suck as a result!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes I would but those teams were good for 5 years or so before getting into cap hell. It would not be that long for us. I never even new the Ravens were ever in cap hell. They just signed Mason and Rolle, they must have some money right. I just don't think we are an Edge away from making it to the SB either.

the ravens had to cut a lot of people just following their superbowl run. like the year and the second year after it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Hasn't been the explosive back that gained 1700 yards, huh? I guess 1548 rushing yards with 9 touchdowns is chump change, then? Add in almost 500 yards receiving on 51 catches...but his potential is limited.

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yeah, and that was on a team that predominanty threw the ball. he should have had 15 tds at least. i know, he was on my fantasy team but b/c peyton was pursuing the record they started throwing all the time. even on short yardage tds. killed me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

One back is slowly becoming a thing of the past. I think in the long run I'd rather have a guy like Bennett along with Arrington, Hambrick and add Sproles for Giggles. We could have all 4 of these guys for less than James.
Running back is becoming more of a 2 or 3 headed monster. I don't think I want to put all our eggs in 1 basket.

I completely disagree - If the Eagles had a STUD #1 running back they'd dominate, but they try to go running back by committee and it's killed them for years. Also - this Pats team this year was arguably the best team they've had yet - a good deal of that goes to the Corey Dillon addition IMO. He eliminated what had been their only weakness and made them damn near unbeatable.

You put Edge on this team and I don't really care who we have at that other Corner position- all of a sudden - WE HAVE THE BEST OFFENSE in the league - to go laong with a competent D - that my friends is a recipe for a SUPER BOWL.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This guy seems like he's all out for the money. I would pass on him and so would Bill Belichek.

you mean the way belichek passed on the malcontent dillon? riiiiiight.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

IE HAVE THE BEST OFFENSE in the league - to go laong with a competent D - that my friends is a recipe for a SUPER BOWL.

easy cheesy. get your meds.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I seem to remember a TON of people talking about how Donovan McNabb's ridiculous contract was going to destroy the Eagesl- but yet they went out and got the TWO BIGGEST FA on the market last year and continue to be the favorites in the NFC year after year after year. I think people are afraid of big contracts because, well, they've never seen the Cardinals sign someone to one and really don't know WHAT it will actually do to our cap. I'm comfortable with the management in place and DG here that if they were to do a deal for Edge they would make sure it didn't kill the team.

er, jerk plummer. and it killed our playoff team. but that was (hopefully) a long time ago with a less competent organization.