We're not the only ones discussing Marion trades

[nowagimp]

you know what's really sad about Marion - so far in the playoffs, EVERY member of the Suns core has STEPPED UP their game from the regular season. Nash (even with two AWFUL games back o back) is still scoring more points and getting his assists, Bell is scoring 1.5 points over his average and playing great defense, Diaw is scoring 4 points more than his season average while maintaining his averages in assists and boards, Leo is playing exactly the same as his averages and TT is playing above and beyond his regualr season with boards and 4 more points a game.

Then, there's Marion - down 4 points a game and 2 rebounds. Pathetic - abolsutely pathetic. We have match-up nightmares EVERYWHERE, but you don't see a drop-off in ANYONE ELSE'S performance, in fact, you see EVERYONE (sans scrubs like Eddie HOuse and JJ) actually playing BETTER in the playoffs than the regular season. IF that isn't an indictment of Marion's worth, I don't know what is. Good players step up their game or at least play the same way they did int he regular season - we're getting that from everyone - except our self-proclaimed "MVP, Tim Duncan, KG" - whois the ONLY one who isn't. Sad.

The outside shooting of Nash, Barbosa, JR and House is ALL DOWN!! Sometimes cheese, you just see what you want to see. Go look at the stats. As an outside shooter, only TT and Bell are up. Its the outside shooting that opens up the lane for guys like Marion, and the lack of it really hurts Marions game, and the effectiveness of suns dribble penetrators(Diaw, Nash, Barbs). Over tha last 3 games, the suns are pathetic from 3, without Marions shots. I also, am considering the trade of Marion, I just am not blind to the failure of others to deliver. Only Bell, Diaw and TT are playing at a higher level in this series. A small team like the suns, with no inside presence, must shoot well from the outside to compete. Barbosa must score well to stay inthe game, as he represents a defensive liability against Magette, Cassel, Livingston, or Mobley, he can be posted almost at will. If Leandro is not getting to the basket, he must shoot the 3 or his +/- will be minus.

 

[Nasser22]

I know Marion is very important to the team, but I'd rather lose him than the others. Maybe add in James Jones and get some more talent but I'd rather keep Barbosa and Diaw.

 

[Chaplin]

All right, cheese, we GET it, you're disappointed in Marion. Got it.

 

[hsandhu]

Obviously the garnett deal would be the first choice, but if that doesn't happen, here was an idea I saw thrown around on another board:

Marion for Igoudala/Mashburn (10 million comes off after the upcoming year).

Igoudala didn't devolop a great deal during his second year, but under this coaching staff who knows into how great a player he could devolop. You can see their effects on joe johnson, barbosa, diaw and amare.

There is no doubt marion is a better player right now, but igoudala has the potential to end up a better defender (he's already almost as good) and a better scorer (he actually shoots properly, creates his own shot, and can slash to the basket without sometimes getting timid).

The cap releif could help in extending diaw/barbosa and when it would be time to extend igoudala, he surely wouldn't require a max contract like marion.

 

[Nasser22]

Barbosa doesen't shoot properly either, that doesen't matter, but I guess you guys are right about the trading Marion thing. As long as we don't give too much for Garnett I'm in favor of all these three trades posted. Even though I don't want Igoudala here....UA....lol, nah he's pretty good.

 

[jibikao]

Obviously the garnett deal would be the first choice, but if that doesn't happen, here was an idea I saw thrown around on another board:

Marion for Igoudala/Mashburn (10 million comes off after the upcoming year).

Igoudala didn't devolop a great deal during his second year, but under this coaching staff who knows into how great a player he could devolop. You can see their effects on joe johnson, barbosa, diaw and amare.

There is no doubt marion is a better player right now, but igoudala has the potential to end up be a better defender (he's already almost as good) and a better scorer (he actually shoots properly, creates his own shot, and can slash to the basket without sometimes getting timid).

The cap releif could help in extending diaw/barbosa and when it would be time to extend igoudala, he surely wouldn't require a max contract like marion.

Igoudala is a very athletic young man. I think he can fit but I thought Philly has AI and Webber's contract to deal with?

 

[hsandhu]

It depends what philly wants to do. If they want to rebuild and move iverson, then no way it happens.

But if they can be tricked into believing that adding marion to iverson/webber makes them a player in the east (like they believed adding webber would) then maybe they do it. Plus the philly fans I think are of the win now mentality, not rebuild.

 

[devilalum]

Ask the Bulls about trading All Stars for high draft picks.

Would you rather have Elton Brand or Tyson Chandler?

 

[boisesuns]

22 and 12 accounts for a lot of wins.

Hey, Those are KG numbers!

 

[jandaman]

Marion is so instrumental to the Suns that its a high risk to move him... especially without Amare at 100% or Amare on the court at all.

I want Diaw and barbosa to be signed as much as the next guy but you can't rush it...

Getting KG wouldn't guarantee Diaw and Barbosa getting signed.. so you get Nash, Amare and KG... with Amare the sole young stud there.

Diaw, Amare, Barbosa... thats the core.. you dont trade themaway, thats the Sun's decade plan there.... suggest other trades, the Chandler deal actually is interesting but Chandler isnt cheap also. Duhon would be great though.

Iggy?... up to the Sixers.. but I would like that trade more than the KG trade.

 

[jibikao]

I hope Marion is reading so he can play like a beast again tomorrow night.

 

[Gaddabout]

Diaw, Amare, Barbosa... thats the core.. you dont trade themaway, thats the Sun's decade plan there.

Amare is the Suns decade plan. Diaw and Barbosa? These are guys we think would be helpful to keep around, but they don't make up the core of anything. They are not untradeable if it means getting a player or players who can better help win a championship now.

The Suns are not in building mode. They are in win-now mode, and that window is not open for long.

 

[Nasser22]

Diaw is untradable, he can become a great, great player in the future. Him an Amare are our future, Barbosa not so much but it would be a plus to have him around.

 

[Cheesebeef]

All right, cheese, we GET it, you're disappointed in Marion. Got it.

Chap - why don't you just put me on ignore - was there really any reason to make anything personal here - I just did a little research today and was wondering what everryone else's playoff averages were-actually trying to see if I was being TOO HARSH on Marion and found out that everyone else has raised their game and so I posted it.... I thought it was interesting to see that break-down.

But, hey, you want to be a jackass and call someone out, nothing new there.

 

[jlove]

i could see the suns grabbing chandler in the deal, along with maybe Duhon. not the lotto pick though.

getting chandler though would still mean probably shipping out Barbosa or KT in another deal in order to keep us out of deep luxury tax territory.

How would the Suns have to let Barbosa or KT go if this were to go down? Even with Chandler being BYC, his salary will be roughly $9.5 mil this year. That's over $5 mil less than Marion.

 

[jlove]

Well, the only two that I can think of is Ben Wallace and Andrei Kirilenko.

There aren't too many lock down defenders in the entire league, let alone those who can run.

AK-47 is not a lock down defender. He can get beat by even the slowest guy in the league. The reason for his defensive prowess is his long arms when it comes to help defense from the weakside.

 

[Cheesebeef]

With the suns running game, and the addition of the 32 year old garnett, depth will be an issue.

diud KG magically age 2 years all of a sudden?

 

[Ryanwb]

AK-47 is not a lock down defender. He can get beat by even the slowest guy in the league. The reason for his defensive prowess is his long arms when it comes to help defense from the weakside.

LMAO!!! Do they typically award 1st team All Defense awards to guys who can be "beat by even the slowest guy in the league"

You're talking about of your other end dude

 

[tobiazz]

AK-47 is not a lock down defender. He can get beat by even the slowest guy in the league. The reason for his defensive prowess is his long arms when it comes to help defense from the weakside.

He can get beat by Jake Tsakalidis?

 

[Nash]

diud KG magically age 2 years all of a sudden?

exactly..I was puzzled by that post and checked his age - he turns 30 only on May 19!

 

[Nash]

Well, the only two that I can think of is Ben Wallace and Andrei Kirilenko.

There aren't too many lock down defenders in the entire league, let alone those who can run.

AK was signed to a $86 million contract just last year. No way of moving him out of Utah.

 

[Nasser22]

He can get beat by Jake Tsakalidis?

lol, Jake Tsakalidis...I didn't like that guy. Even during the draft I was like, what the hell are they doing? He had like 3 good games with us in his time here.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I would without hesitation do a Marion for KG trade if we were able to keep Amare, Nash, Diaw and Bell. Jones, Barbosa and KT can go. I love KT and I think we will end up keeping him, but I'm just saying he's expendable in this type of transaction.

I also like the idea of a 3 way trade:

PHX sends:

Marion, Jones and LAL #1

PHX receives:

Garnett

CHI sends:

Chandler, Duhon, Allen

CHI receives:

Marion, Griffin, LAL #1

MIN sends:

Garnett, Griffin

MIN receives:

Chandler, Duhon, Allen and Jones

I think it works because CHI is under the cap, but I don't know....

 

[Divide Et Impera]

We'd have Nash-Bell-Diaw-Stoudemire-Garnett backed by Barbosa-Thomas-Thomas-House-Tskitishvili-Burke-FA-PHX#1

 

[Nasser22]

That would be a very sexy line-up, but hopefully we'll be able to find a real back-up point guard instead of House, even though I do like him. Nash will need more rest though and we need an experienced point guard to play when needed.