Okay, her for a very long post. I can't believe how many inaccuracies on full sides of this argument I've read in the last 10-15 minutes. oh yeah, cheese, let it go. It's obvious that you are just trying to get Chap to argue with you in a lot of these posts, and it's getting very annoying.
NastyOne said:
Yeah im blaming him for that
He traded the pick to save money for when we would sign Richardson later in freeagency.
How is that not his fault? Why have both when you can have one and save $2mil i guess.
No one just trades a lottery pick for a future first rounder.Unless you don't want to spend anymore money on your roster for the upcoming season.
NastyOne said:
I'm sorry but you don't trade lottery picks with great talent left on the board (Deng and Iggy) for future picks.
We saved a whopping 2mil and change on that deal.
Anything to keep Sarver out of tax range.
And with BC's past on this team, you have to figure that was a Sarver move.
You obviously don't understand that situation at all. That was Bryan Colangelo' us move all the way. It would have been much, much easier and cheaper for Sarver to tell B.C. to use the draft pick because he didn't want to spend every dime possible under the salary cap to sign free agents. Your argument doesn't even make any sense.
You know this brings up an interesting point. It's entirely possible, and I think somewhat probable, that if the Phoenix Suns had drafted Iguodala and not brought in Q that Sarver would have signed JJ to his $50 million extension that summer. The team would have ended up with JJ, and Iguodala. Of course that probably leave some without Kurt Thomas and Diaw, and I feel they could not have been as successful this past season without either of these players even if they did have JJ and/or Iguodala.
NastyOne said:
Yeah they did, thats the reason we were always in the playoffs.
We may never have won a title under them, but you could always count on them to put a winning team on the floor.
Not to mention if it wernt for some bad luck injuries we probably would already have a couple of championships.
Am I missing something here? If the criteria for being a great owner is putting a winner on the floor, then Sarver has been one of the best owners in the MBA so far. Try and at least stay consistent with your argument.
NastyOne said:
Maybe if we had a HOF player that impacts the game on defense and offense like Duncan, we wouldnt need to go over the cap either.
Very few teams could ever get away with winning the championship or coming close like the Spurs without going over the cap either the year they won or the upcoming seasons if they want to keep the team together.
With our small success so far we will not get away with staying under the cap, unless Sarver starts dumping players.(Which he will probably start doing if he wants to save money)
First of all we are talking about going over the salary cap. Nearly every team in the NBA including the Phoenix Suns is well over the salary cap. It's the luxury tax we're talking about, and off the top of my head I can't think of a team since the introduction of the luxury tax that has won a championship in paid the tax. It's possible the LA Lakers paid one-year. I'm not sure.
Now, for some of the other things I've read here...
Penny Hardaway and Tom Gugliotta were bad signings. I can understand why the Colangelos made each of those deals, but that doesn't mean they were the right decisions. Penny Hardaway had all sorts of red flags before he was signed here. He had suffered through injury after injury to his knees, and he orchestrated the firing of a head coach. While we are crying about first-round draft picks let's not forget about all of the picks we lost in that deal.
As for Tom Gugliotta, I'm not going to go look it up right now, but I believe he had also had quite a few injury problems before he was signed here. That would not have prevented the knee injury, but it wasn't just his knees that kept him from playing in a lot of games for the Phoenix Suns. Not to mention that he just wasn't a good fit with Jason Kidd. He was a much better fit with Marbury had he been healthy here when Marbury was brought in for kidd.
That leads me to the Jason Kidd trade. In hindsight it might have been a mistake to trade for Marbury, but I have no problem with the Colangelos trading Jason Kidd. They had screwed themselves so badly with Hardaway's and Googs' contracts that they really were stuck. They traded Jason Kidd while his trade value was somewhat high because in another season he would have been on the verge of a massive contract extension. The Colangelos did not want to give him that much money. I won't even get into Jason Kidd's personal problems which were very bad.
Here's the other thing about Marbury. The Colangelos always knew that they could unload him on New York. He was really a risk-free investment. If he didn't work out here they knew they could get a lot for him from New York and start rebuilding.
oh yeah, Luc Longley. I think that's all I have to say about that. Well, except for saying that the draft pick we send to Chicago for Luc Longley was used to take Ron Artest.
Lastly, let's tackle this argument about whether Sarver wanted to sign Steve Nash. No, he did not want Steve Nash at first. Sarver, himself said that the Colangelos did a good job of talking him into that, but it hardly sounds like it was a huge argument. Let's face it. There probably are two other teams in the NBA that would have given Steve Nash that contract, including the most freespending owner in the NBA, Marc Cuban. It's completely understandable that Sarver would have reservations about giving Steve Nash that contract. But what did you do? He spent the money, so I really don't understand the argument here.
And that's how I feel about all that.
Joe
