What kicker would you want the Cards to sign?

[TJ]

We're 3-3-1, record wise. If he made a chip shot and another make-able kick, we'd be 5-1-1. End of conversation.

I mean this with respect, but this outlook is pure overreaction and poorly thought out. The second kick you referenced was thanks to a botched snap that was the first strike against the eventual departure of a long snapper.

Unless you can find a Justin Tucker type kicker on the open market, cutting Catanzaro is not a good choice as there's no upgrade out there.

You have the right to complain about missing a chip shot 24 yard FG, but to call for his head as a response can only be explained by typical fan emotion.

 

[daves]

Isn't this the 33rd anniversary of the infamous MNF Giants-Cards tie? I've been working all night, sorry if this has been asked before.

Ugh, yep! That one was on Monday night. That was so painful! But ultimately, nowhere near as consequential.

Wikipedia refreshed my memory:

One week later, the New York Giants and St. Louis Cardinals played for more than four hours before settling for a 20–20 overtime tie, MNF's only OT tie to date. The deadlock had come after dropped touchdown passes by Cardinal wide receivers Willard Harrell and Roy Green, and a trio of missed field goals by teammate Neil O'Donoghue, including two in the final 63 seconds of the overtime period.

I was surprised the announcers didn't mention that game on Sunday night (unless they did and i missed it).

...dave

 

[sunsfan88]

Randy Moss anyone?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-a-reliable-kicker-randy-moss-splits-uprights

 

[wit3card]

I mean this with respect, but this outlook is pure overreaction and poorly thought out. The second kick you referenced was thanks to a botched snap that was the first strike against the eventual departure of a long snapper.

Unless you can find a Justin Tucker type kicker on the open market, cutting Catanzaro is not a good choice as there's no upgrade out there.

You have the right to complain about missing a chip shot 24 yard FG, but to call for his head as a response can only be explained by typical fan emotion.

I have some numbers to underline your take:

Statistically only Tucker & Gostowski are better than Catanzaro. Catanzaro an Hauschka are about the same.

Catanzaro: 86.7% longest 61 yards
Vinatieri: 84.6% longest 57 yards
Zurlein: 79.8% longest 61 yards
Tucker: 89.2% longest 61 yards (he is better not much but yes)
Bryant: 85.4% longest 62 yards
Lambo: 86.0% longest 54 yards
Janikowski: 80.0% longest 63 yards
Hauschka: 86.7% longest 58 yards (so about the same as Chandler)
Gostowski: 86.9% longest 57 yards
Dawson: 84.5% longest 56 yards

(Catanzaro would be at 86.9% if he made both missed kicks were he totally wasn't at fault)

So at the rest, please stop complaining about the Kicker, we have probably one of the better in the league and he is young, he probably is going to get better. There are maybe only one or two constantly better kicker in the league and drafting one high like TB doesn't help at all.

We have to fix the problems and that isn't the kicker. The Kick starts with the LS, the blocking, the holder and than the kicker has the chance to put it through.
Our team doesn't perform well in the first 3 phases of a kick and now fans that look at isolated outcomes without the whole picture, how it came to that outcome, are attacking a good kicker.

So please, stop this kind of nonsense threats, because Cat finds many takers on the open market.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

I BELIEVE IN "CAT"!

Mark

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How many years has it been since Gary Anderson, who hadn't missed all year, missed a chippy in the NFC title game? Kickers miss FG's every now and then. Morten Andersen, iirc, also missed a chip shot in the playoffs to cost either the Saints or Falcons a game. Those are 2of the better kickers. It happens.

 

[JeffGollin]

Bring back Jim Bakken.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Earlier I said kickers miss FG's and it happens. But, if Cat continues to miss critical, game on the line kicks, then he needs to go for sure. I never want to live the Neil Rackers debacle again where every important kick was a miss. Cat has been reliable, overall, and I'm not ready to move on.......yet.

 

[Stout]

I have some numbers to underline your take:

Statistically only Tucker & Gostowski are better than Catanzaro. Catanzaro an Hauschka are about the same.

Catanzaro: 86.7% longest 61 yards
Vinatieri: 84.6% longest 57 yards
Zurlein: 79.8% longest 61 yards
Tucker: 89.2% longest 61 yards (he is better not much but yes)
Bryant: 85.4% longest 62 yards
Lambo: 86.0% longest 54 yards
Janikowski: 80.0% longest 63 yards
Hauschka: 86.7% longest 58 yards (so about the same as Chandler)
Gostowski: 86.9% longest 57 yards
Dawson: 84.5% longest 56 yards

(Catanzaro would be at 86.9% if he made both missed kicks were he totally wasn't at fault)

So at the rest, please stop complaining about the Kicker, we have probably one of the better in the league and he is young, he probably is going to get better. There are maybe only one or two constantly better kicker in the league and drafting one high like TB doesn't help at all.

We have to fix the problems and that isn't the kicker. The Kick starts with the LS, the blocking, the holder and than the kicker has the chance to put it through.
Our team doesn't perform well in the first 3 phases of a kick and now fans that look at isolated outcomes without the whole picture, how it came to that outcome, are attacking a good kicker.

So please, stop this kind of nonsense threats, because Cat finds many takers on the open market.

Right, because the percentage is ALL that matters LOLOLOL Tell me how many they make or miss in clutch situations, and how many game winners they make or miss. We certainly DO NOT have one of the better kickers in the league, regardless of whether or not you want to cut the Cat.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Earlier I said kickers miss FG's and it happens. But, if Cat continues to miss critical, game on the line kicks, then he needs to go for sure. I never want to live the Neil Rackers debacle again where every important kick was a miss. Cat has been reliable, overall, and I'm not ready to move on.......yet.

he gets one more big kick from me. But this weekend hurt. A lot.

 

[cardncubfan]

Right, because the percentage is ALL that matters LOLOLOL Tell me how many they make or miss in clutch situations, and how many game winners they make or miss. We certainly DO NOT have one of the better kickers in the league, regardless of whether or not you want to cut the Cat.

You are wrong Stout. You are letting your emotions get the best of you. It happens. Drink a beer, relax.

 

[daves]

How many years has it been since Gary Anderson, who hadn't missed all year, missed a chippy in the NFC title game?

That was a 38-yarder in 1998.

Morten Andersen, iirc, also missed a chip shot in the playoffs to cost either the Saints or Falcons a game. Those are 2of the better kickers. It happens.

Yep. Wikipedia on the 1996 Jaguars:

In the team's final game of the regular season against the Atlanta Falcons, needing a win to earn a playoff berth, the Jaguars caught a bit of luck when Morten Andersen missed a 30-yard field goal with less than a minute remaining that would have given the Falcons the lead. The Jaguars clinched the fifth seed in the AFC playoffs.

Andersen played 11 more seasons for the Falcons.

...dbs

 

[Stout]

You are wrong Stout. You are letting your emotions get the best of you. It happens. Drink a beer, relax.

So you're fine with a kicker that has a decent make percentage but misses clutch FGs? I'm not. This isn't emotion--Sunday and Monday was emotion. I just don't want to watch our kicker trot out for another clutch kick and expect him to miss it, which is what I'll expect at this point. Kid can't handle the pressure.

 

[TJ]

So you're fine with a kicker that has a decent make percentage but misses clutch FGs? I'm not. This isn't emotion--Sunday and Monday was emotion. I just don't want to watch our kicker trot out for another clutch kick and expect him to miss it, which is what I'll expect at this point. Kid can't handle the pressure.

You're telling us that this isn't about emotion, and then telling us that you expect him to miss kicks in the same breath. That's emotion, kid.

You conveniently forget that in the same game, he hit a 45 yarder in OT to put the team in position to win. Was the pressure too much for him in that clutch/pressure scenario?

I know it was a depressing game, but don't let emotion get in the way of objectivity.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Should Seattle cut Haushka, too?

Has Haushka cost the Cardinals multiple football games over the last 3 years ? No he hasn't, so no they shouldn't.

Catanzaro's lack of clutch kicking is far beyond just last game.

 

[Son of RedRage]

And need we forget John Carney's miss against the Jaguars?

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[RugbyMuffin]

You're telling us that this isn't about emotion, and then telling us that you expect him to miss kicks in the same breath. That's emotion, kid.

You conveniently forget that in the same game, he hit a 45 yarder in OT to put the team in position to win. Was the pressure too much for him in that clutch/pressure scenario?

I know it was a depressing game, but don't let emotion get in the way of objectivity.

He is a professional kicker.

There is no emotion in me when I say he has no equity built up that his job should not be in jeopardy. I know that doesn't align with your opinion, but calling out the opposite side as "emotional" is a moot point and doesn't bring anything to your side of the argument.

I remember he hit a 45 yard field goal. AND ? Big flippin' deal, that is a standard kick in the NFL. He made it! WHOOP-T-FRICKIN-DO. I processed 15 customs today, and my job didn't throw a ticker tape parade, and didn't think twice about asking what I didn't get done. As Arians said, this ain't highschool, this is the pros, and results are all that count.

Its Catanzaro's job to make field goals, he is not doing the job he is expected to do. That costs kickers their jobs ALL THE TIME, every year. Making the counter argument to this as a slight on the person taking the other side, doesn't hold any water, IMHO.

You have something else to bring to your side that has to do with football and the situation, then please bring it to the table.

If you think the Cardinals should stick with Catanzaro, and be OK with his misses, then that is fine. I do not agree, but that is a valid argument to make.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

And need we forget John Carney's miss against the Jaguars?

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Ugh. I never felt so bad for a team that wasn't the Cardinals.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I need to break out the Rackers jersey that I bought for a girlfriend in 2008. Fire Amos Jones

Agreed.

Catanzaro has gotten to the point of Neil Rackers. Every time Catanzaro comes out for a field goal or extra point, regardless of distance, I have very little faith he will make it.

 

[az jam]

Agreed.

Catanzaro has gotten to the point of Neil Rackers. Every time Catanzaro comes out for a field goal or extra point, regardless of distance, I have very little faith he will make it.

What you are saying is IMO the bottom line: we have very little confidence in Catanzaro.

 

[overseascardfan]

Such as life, people are often remembered for their mistakes. Catanzaro may be an 87% guy but people expect that because that is his job. People are going to remember him for missed PAT's and missed FG's rather than all his routine FG's or game winners unless it's a SB winning kick. Just look at Scott Norwood, that poor guy was ran out of BUF for losing the SB but other than that he was a pretty good K back in the day.

 

[TJ]

He is a professional kicker.

There is no emotion in me when I say he has no equity built up that his job should not be in jeopardy. I know that doesn't align with your opinion, but calling out the opposite side as "emotional" is a moot point and doesn't bring anything to your side of the argument.

I remember he hit a 45 yard field goal. AND ? Big flippin' deal, that is a standard kick in the NFL. He made it! WHOOP-T-FRICKIN-DO. I processed 15 customs today, and my job didn't throw a ticker tape parade, and didn't think twice about asking what I didn't get done. As Arians said, this ain't highschool, this is the pros, and results are all that count.

Its Catanzaro's job to make field goals, he is not doing the job he is expected to do. That costs kickers their jobs ALL THE TIME, every year. Making the counter argument to this as a slight on the person taking the other side, doesn't hold any water, IMHO.

You have something else to bring to your side that has to do with football and the situation, then please bring it to the table.

If you think the Cardinals should stick with Catanzaro, and be OK with his misses, then that is fine. I do not agree, but that is a valid argument to make.

Just so I understand your argument, I should expect Catanzaro to kick 100% because you processed 15 customs today and didn't get praise for it?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Kickers are fickle weird creatures... I sincerely hope he gets a chance at another crucial field goal and this time follows through, then he might be good in the clutch for a couple of more seasons because of the one he makes as well for his confidence

 

[schutd]

Accountability = losing your job when you fail at it so badly, not getting a talking to behind the scenes.

The guys a career 86.7% kicker of FGs and near 95 on PATs. How can a game like seattle alone be unsed to "hold him accountable"????? Glad youre not my boss.

 

[schutd]

We're 3-3-1, record wise. If he made a chip shot and another make-able kick, we'd be 5-1-1. End of conversation.

Ahhhh if life were this easy. But thats cool. End of conversation.... cause you said so. By the way, making that chip shot removes the tie from our record, so I guess we need to converse a bit more to figure out your point...