What would you give for Kevin Love

[Zobaczcie suki]

BINGO!

Why are so many people eager to subtract to this team in order to "add" to it. we have a boatload of cap space and even more draft picks and we're so freaking young. have patience guys.

No joke. Look at all the big time players held by the contenders. OKC may have one the shortest supply, but Westbrook and Durant are huge, and they have Ibaka, when healthy of course. Look at the Spurs--Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Leonard, etc. The contending teams all have several major pieces.

The Suns? We have exactly 2, Bledsoe and Dragic. And you don't give one up to add Love, no matter how much I would "love" to see him on our team.

 

[Phrazbit]

For my benefit, who are those players? From your earlier list, certainly not Chris Paul, who is perpetually injured. Lin doesn't play that much anymore. Westbrook has a lot of Thunder faithful worried, and not just because of his questionable decision-making. Griffin had a stress fracture, not a meniscus tear. So, just to put my mind at ease, who are the "several specific examples" of players who have put a Bledsoe-like injury behind them?

Griffin tore his training for the Olympics, Lin has averaged 30 minutes a game the last 2 years... that's "not much"? Fear and reality are seperate things.

There a lot of players to have this surgery and recovered fully, I've named some of the most prominent. If you want to find more you can look up nba meniscus tears and see a wealth of others from stars to bench guys. What I ave not seen is the connection you're trying to make between a torn meniscus and guys undergoing micro fracture and some of the degenerative cartilage issues that end careers.

Dwayne Wade and Chris Paul are the examples of guy with lingering issues, they both had their entire meniscus removed and despite that have maintained all-star form, and as I said with Wade his was a full 12 years ago.

 

[JustWinBaby]

We can't build this team by subtracting key parts.

So no, I wouldn't give up Bledsoe, or Dragic for that matter. That would be stupid, unless for some reason he hates Phoenix and wouldn't want to re-sign here.

I don't think the Love deal happens. But if it does, it should only be with role players, draft picks, or if he signs here outright as a FA.

Wow

Finally someone gets it.

I agree totally.

 

[desertdawg]

I would give our 3 draft picks for Love, I wouldn't give up any young promising pieces. If we got Love, wouldn't that kind of split the twins up?

 

[hsandhu]

Did anyone see simmons column today, he mentioned the suns using trade assets for horford? That was the first i heard, why would atl trade him?

How much cap do we have, i assume fry opts in, what is bledsoe's cap hold before re-sgn 190% of last year's salary, how much does beasley count?

I'm guestimating 27 million (w/o this years picks), am i totally off, missing something. Is it possible to get a big (love, horford, monroe) and add a wing, luol deng?

Two pieces like that to a core of dragic/bledsoe/morris twins/green is a pretty stacked team

 

[Cheesebeef]

Did anyone see simmons column today, he mentioned the suns using trade assets for horford? That was the first i heard, why would atl trade him?

How much cap do we have, i assume fry opts in, what is bledsoe's cap hold before re-sgn 190% of last year's salary, how much does beasley count?

I'm guestimating 27 million (w/o this years picks), am i totally off, missing something. Is it possible to get a big (love, horford, monroe) and add a wing, luol deng?

Two pieces like that to a core of dragic/bledsoe/morris twins/green is a pretty stacked team

Saw that today also. Thought it was intriguing. My fear though is that the above moves would make us better, but I fear we would end up as Pacers west. A team continually good enough to make a Conference Finals, but never really good enough to beat OKC, The Clippers or The Heat. But maybe, just maybe they end up the next incarnation of the 2000s Pistons...but that team won with killer defensive big men and unless somehow learns how to play super elite D (and he just doesn't strike me as a Ben Wallace beats), I don't know if that's in the cards.

Now, if this team was somehow able to add Love (with all of our picks and the Laker pick next year) plus Deng, that team might have the fire power to compete at the highest level, but I'd still be dubious. There's still just no transcendent player amongst the bunch, IMO and unless you're that super rare team (like the Pistons were), you ain't winning a chip without one of those guys that you can always depend on at the end of games.

 

[Phrazbit]

Saw that today also. Thought it was intriguing. My fear though is that the above moves would make us better, but I fear we would end up as Pacers west. A team continually good enough to make a Conference Finals, but never really good enough to beat OKC, The Clippers or The Heat. But maybe, just maybe they end up the next incarnation of the 2000s Pistons...but that team won with killer defensive big men and unless somehow learns how to play super elite D (and he just doesn't strike me as a Ben Wallace beats), I don't know if that's in the cards.

Now, if this team was somehow able to add Love (with all of our picks and the Laker pick next year) plus Deng, that team might have the fire power to compete at the highest level, but I'd still be dubious. There's still just no transcendent player amongst the bunch, IMO and unless you're that super rare team (like the Pistons were), you ain't winning a chip without one of those guys that you can always depend on at the end of games.

I agree, most title winners have a transcendent player, but where are we going to get one? I'm all in for making runs at those guys any time one actually becomes available through trade or free agency, but in the meantime if we have the opportunity to build a great team, you take it. If you create a squad good enough to have a shot at the conference finals every year then you're a break away from having a shot at a title... granted we're the Suns and those breaks always seem to go the other way, but eventually the coin has to come up heads... I think.

 

[slinslin]

Al Horford would be an incredible stupid target.

1. We would have to trade for him.
2. Greg Monroe is a similiar type of player, younger, bigger, similiar production, healthy
3. He was injured a lot
4. He was almost exclusively a center in the NBA
5. He does not really suit our style .

 

[SirStefan32]

Injuries are a concern. Without looking it up, I'd say he's missed majority of two out of the last 3 seasons. Granted, I don't believe injuries were "repeat" injuries, but it's a concern nonetheless.

He only has two seasons left at $12M per year, so the risk is minimal. My biggest concern would be that Hornacek would play him at 5. I'd like to see him play his natural position- power forward.

Not really sure how much I'd give up to get him.

 

[marios13]

Too bad we can't go back and injure Dragic instead of Bledsoe at the Clippers game I really wonder how the season would have turned out. In my opinion Suns would have less than 48 wins and that would be great for the tank squad.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Too bad we can't go back and injure Dragic instead of Bledsoe at the Clippers game I really wonder how the season would have turned out. In my opinion Suns would have less than 48 wins and that would be great for the tank squad.

I understand your loyalty but this is a Suns board and you have tunnel vision when it comes to Dragic. You're reading insults into comments that aren't intended to be insults. Most of us here love Dragic and want to keep him. Just because some of us (far less than half, I'd guess) think Bledsoe is or will eventually be even better, that is not a slight of Goran. Lebron is better than Dragic, does that feel like a Goran put down to you? Dragic runs the team better and right now is a more complete offensive guard than Bledsoe. Eric is a far better defender. I don't know which one would be better suited to be the only star point guard on a team, I just know we are much better because of both of them.

Steve

 

[SO91]

I can't say I'd be super ecstatic about giving up a lot of assets to pick up Horford. He's a nice player and I wanted him bad when we had the ATL pick way back in the day (Eff the lottery). As someone already mentioned, if we do go out and get Al, I'd want him playing the 4 instead of the 5. Any thoughts as to what is happening in Memphis? If they do go in the tank (I think it's unlikely, but whatever), would you make a play for M.Gasol?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I can't say I'd be super ecstatic about giving up a lot of assets to pick up Horford. He's a nice player and I wanted him bad when we had the ATL pick way back in the day (Eff the lottery). As someone already mentioned, if we do go out and get Al, I'd want him playing the 4 instead of the 5. Any thoughts as to what is happening in Memphis? If they do go in the tank (I think it's unlikely, but whatever), would you make a play for M.Gasol?

That's a great question. It's a position of huge need but there is a fair chance that we already have two players on the team that will ultimately fill that need. It would also take a lot of assets and we'd still be in trouble at the power forward spot. I guess I'd prefer Love but I'd rather Gasol than any other center I can think of. But if we could get him without stripping the team, I think I'd gamble that we could change our styles enough to make it work with him.

Steve

 

[SO91]

That's a great question. It's a position of huge need but there is a fair chance that we already have two players on the team that will ultimately fill that need. It would also take a lot of assets and we'd still be in trouble at the power forward spot. I guess I'd prefer Love but I'd rather Gasol than any other center I can think of. But if we could get him without stripping the team, I think I'd gamble that we could change our styles enough to make it work with him.

Steve

It probably would take a lot of assets to acquire a player like that, but their management and front office is turning into a mess.

 

[SirStefan32]

That's a great question. It's a position of huge need but there is a fair chance that we already have two players on the team that will ultimately fill that need. It would also take a lot of assets and we'd still be in trouble at the power forward spot. I guess I'd prefer Love but I'd rather Gasol than any other center I can think of. But if we could get him without stripping the team, I think I'd gamble that we could change our styles enough to make it work with him.

Steve

I am far more interested in a 4 since we already have Len and Plumlee to develop, but if the Suns could get Gasol, they'd have to do it. You can't just not go after an available top-3 Center in the league.

 

[marios13]

@AzStevenCal it just pisses me off when someone pulls out stats W:L when both were healthy Vs when it was just Dragić and tries to point out with it that somehow Bledsoe is better than him. They just negate Gorans work when both were healthy with those comments and its usually on topics about trading someone ...

 

[slinslin]

I am far more interested in a 4 since we already have Len and Plumlee to develop, but if the Suns could get Gasol, they'd have to do it. You can't just not go after an available top-3 Center in the league.

Howard
Davis
Drummond

Marc Gasol is good but calling him a top 3 center is a big stretch when he puts up just 14/7.

He would not be a good fit for our system either I think. I would rather have Pau than Marc.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Howard
Davis
Drummond

Marc Gasol is good but calling him a top 3 center is a big stretch when he puts up just 14/7.

He would not be a good fit for our system either I think. I would rather have Pau than Marc.

So you'd prefer Monroe over Horford because Al is 4 years older, despite the fact that Horford is solid defensively and Monroe isn't? But on the other side, you'd take Pau over Marc even though he has 6 years on his little brother, doesn't even pretend to play defense and is clearly on the fast decline?

Steve

 

[SO91]

He would not be a good fit for our system either I think. I would rather have Pau than Marc.

I hope after all these years we as Suns fans should be done with this 'doesn't fit our system' crap. We have a coach that just finished his first year, and a bunch of young guys that while promising, haven't established anything. I'd take M.Gasol over any center except Davis, and maybe, just maybe you could talk me into Howard.

 

[Superbone]

So you'd prefer Monroe over Horford because Al is 4 years older, despite the fact that Horford is solid defensively and Monroe isn't? But on the other side, you'd take Pau over Marc even though he has 6 years on his little brother, doesn't even pretend to play defense and is clearly on the fast decline?

Steve

There's nothing little about Marc.

 

[SO91]

There's nothing little about Marc.

Speaking from experience?

 

[Joe Mama]

I hope after all these years we as Suns fans should be done with this 'doesn't fit our system' crap. We have a coach that just finished his first year, and a bunch of young guys that while promising, haven't established anything. I'd take M.Gasol over any center except Davis, and maybe, just maybe you could talk me into Howard.

I don't know, I'm still in love with Noah.

Joe

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't know, I'm still in love with Noah.

Joe

Yeah, Noah, Howard, Gasol were top 3 I had in mind. I still consider Davis to be a power forward, though apparently he is considered a Center now.

 

[Lorenzo]

for him to come to dallas???? everyone but dirk LOL. but why do I see him going to either LA or wherever lebron is?

 

[SLO]

I would give almost everything to get A.Davis, ge will be real superstar in the league.

Why not bring some players from Europe? I would love to see Sofoklis Schortsanitis in Suns jersey. He could play 20 minutes. He is 29, but Scola also came late in this league, and made good carreer

Saric is going to be good player, but he is not NBA ready yet (but he is making progress quickly)