When are we going to sign our picks?

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Other teams are already signing their late round picks.

Can we get going on this?

With structured salaries for the first round how hard can it be?

I know the first rounders are always the last to sign, but the late rounders should be easy.

Some will say to be patient and wait, but is that the right way? Being proactive seems better to me.

Is it just me or does it always seem that Graves waits until other teams sign players and he bases his contracts off of those?
 
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Every year... the same thread. It'll get done in a timely fashion... ;)
 

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Every year... the same thread. It'll get done in a timely fashion... ;)

Really?

Same thread huh?

Coulda swore things are a little different this year. I think it has to do with that CBA thingy from last year.
 

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Relax! You get the point.

No I don't, obviously.

Different year, different rules, and if ever there was a year to ask this question, I believe this year, and at the current time it is justified.

Just because you wanna down play anything with an ounce a negativity is fine and dandy, you are well withing your right but, it doesn't mean the question at hand is not justifiable at this point and time.

As for the "point" you are referring to ? Have the front office show a little pro-activity here and there and maybe there wouldn't be a post like this every year at every opportunity, and patience would be given to the organization. Dunno, that is just me.
 
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Other teams are already signing their late round picks.

Can we get going on this?

With structured salaries for the first round how hard can it be?

I know the first rounders are always the last to sign, but the late rounders should be easy.

Some will say to be patient and wait, but is that the right way? Being proactive seems better to me.

Is it just me or does it always seem that Graves waits until other teams sign players and he bases his contracts off of those?

As for the actual topic.

Not only are there slotted draft picks, but the salary cap rules are different this year as well.

Throw on top of that, the "rookie pool" is delagated different then in years past.

Urban at one point said the Cardinals need to make room to sign draft picks, and then went back on it, to say the Cardinals are fine to sign all their picks.

I have no idea what the truth of the matter is, because after reading a 2nd-hand rule down of the new rookie poor and how it works I am more confused than before.

The Cardinals should be pretty close to the cap, and if more money needs to be cleared then that COULD be the hold up.

Not to mention the Cardinals LOVE to sign a bunch of players, then release it all a day or two late in one big media article.

So, I for one, am actually OK with the Cardinals taking there time with this situation this year. Since the contracts are, what they are, don't worry about them now. Worry about making sure all the new regulations are understood, and maybe, just maybe sign Campbell to that extension.
 

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Every year... the same thread. It'll get done in a timely fashion... ;)

It's annoying isn't it. I guess it's just the right of Cardinals fan to meltdown in anticipation of something until waiting to see if it actually occurs.

This isn't your daddy's Cardinals organization, everything will be fine..............

:mulli:
 
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It's annoying isn't it. I guess it's just the right of Cardinals fan to meltdown in anticipation of something until waiting to see if it actually occurs.

This isn't your daddy's Cardinals organization, everything will be fine..............

:mulli:

So fans have been saying for as long as I can remember. The funniest thing I saw in looking back for the "when will we sign" threads are all the comments that in 2003 everything was going to be fine and Jeff Blake was going to be a better QB than Plummer ever was.

Heck I was just as bad as everyone else posting that the 2002 draft class had the potential to be a good one. :eek:

As for the thread it was usually started in June. The next funniest thing I saw in looking back at 2003 was the first "when are we signing" thread was started by Rugby. :D
 

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No I don't, obviously.

Different year, different rules, and if ever there was a year to ask this question, I believe this year, and at the current time it is justified.

Just because you wanna down play anything with an ounce a negativity is fine and dandy, you are well withing your right but, it doesn't mean the question at hand is not justifiable at this point and time.

As for the "point" you are referring to ? Have the front office show a little pro-activity here and there and maybe there wouldn't be a post like this every year at every opportunity, and patience would be given to the organization. Dunno, that is just me.

There has been precisely one first round pick signed, and that as of today. I'm concerned if someone misses training activities due to protracted negotiations. Don't see that on the horizon. And the chances that someone will not start a similar thread a year away is slim and none.
 

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The next funniest thing I saw in looking back at 2003 was the first "when are we signing" thread was started by Rugby. :D

Of course. First year on the board, heck that may have been post #10 or something, surprised I didn't start the thread 2 hrs after we picked.

But, anyone could have been as frustrated as many of us were in 2003. That was the year of the collossal trade down for Pace, and Skillet instead of selecting Terrell Suggs.

Back when the defense was lucky to get 20 sacks as a team during an entire season. We still got Boldin that year...too bad we traded him later on only to look for his replacement for 4 years!

......stories like these make me wonder how some can be so easily convinced this organization has "turned the corner" after almost 100 years in exsistence.
 

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And that has been proven how ?

Wow really? Ignorance is bliss.

1 losing season in last 5 years CHECK
A Super Bowl appearance and NFC champ banner CHECK
2 NFC west titles CHECK
More talent on the roster than any in at least the last 3 decades CHECK
Team actually drafting from a BPA approach rather then panic CHECK
Snagging a well thought of front office exec from Pats CHECK
A first class scouting dept. CHECK
A HC who's well respected aNd highly thought of throughout NFL CHECK
Having coaches and FO staff being sought after by other teams CHECK
Probably the best strength/conditioning coach in NFL CHECK

Anyone else care to add?
 
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Wow really? Ignorance is bliss.

1 losing season in last 5 years CHECK
A Super Bowl appearance and NFC champ banner CHECK
2 NFC west titles CHECK
More talent on the roster than any in at least the last 3 decades CHECK
Team actually drafting from a BPA approach rather then panic CHECK
Snagging a well thought of front office exec from Pats CHECK
A first class scouting dept. CHECK
A HC who's well respected ad highly thought of throughout NFL CHECK
Having coaches and FO staff being sought after by other teams CHECK
Probably the best strength/conditioning coach in NFL CHECK

Anyone else care to add?

-Players actually happy and excited to be drafted by the Cards
-Proactivley promoting Keim to V.P. of Player Personnel before losing him
-Every single game in the new stadium sold out
 

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Wearing my Cards cap up here in Montreal and not being laughed at.
 

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Wow really? Ignorance is bliss.

1 losing season in last 5 years CHECK
A Super Bowl appearance and NFC champ banner CHECK
2 NFC west titles CHECK
More talent on the roster than any in at least the last 3 decades CHECK
Team actually drafting from a BPA approach rather then panic CHECK
Snagging a well thought of front office exec from Pats CHECK
A first class scouting dept. CHECK
A HC who's well respected aNd highly thought of throughout NFL CHECK
Having coaches and FO staff being sought after by other teams CHECK
Probably the best strength/conditioning coach in NFL CHECK

Anyone else care to add?
1000 yard rusher and 10 TD RB in Chris Wells
 

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Im more concerned about the CC deal. Its starting to become more likely that this season will happen and CC will be gone next year.

On one hand, thats BS. We got to keep our MF'ing talent here. I hate how we always let our talent walk.

On the other hand, CC is surely asking for Mario Williams money. As an organization, you need to put your foot down on some issues.
 

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Im more concerned about the CC deal. Its starting to become more likely that this season will happen and CC will be gone next year.

On one hand, thats BS. We got to keep our MF'ing talent here. I hate how we always let our talent walk.

On the other hand, CC is surely asking for Mario Williams money. As an organization, you need to put your foot down on some issues.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. CC is a Whiz guy and much the same was said about DD, another Whiz favourite. Let it play out.
 

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call me the first week of August

until then, just stay calm
 

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call me the first week of August

until then, just stay calm


I think everyone is calm.

It is just some want to know what is going on, and there is plenty to talk about on the subject. It is not as easy as, "Graves and company are not getting it done". It is actually a lot more than that. It may be better to sit back and wait this year with all the rule and regulation changes when it comes to roster sizes, and cap hits.

But, don't do it on this board, cause there are few posters so pretentious and high on themselves, that it would be belittling to them, and their board to talk about it. It is easier for them to just lob insults, and pretend that anyone that doesn't see things exactly their way are just morons.
 
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Wow really? Ignorance is bliss.?

And arrogance is for a........

So onto your list.

1 losing season in last 5 years CHECK
- Demantled the team in less then 3 years. Was back to not paying talent and double digit losing seasons two years later.

A Super Bowl appearance and NFC champ banner CHECK
No doubt. See above.

2 NFC west titles CHECK
No doubt. See above.

More talent on the roster than any in at least the last 3 decades CHECK
Matter of opinion over proof. Our offense line is no better than last year, our LB core is a concern, depth at RB is unproven, and we have no viable, head and shoulders starting QB in a passing league

Team actually drafting from a BPA approach rather then panic CHECK
No doubt. Not sold on M.Floyd. You can better your drafting technique but you still gotta pick the right player

Snagging a well thought of front office exec from Pats CHECK
No doubt. But, he used to work here before.

A first class scouting dept. CHECK
No doubt.

A HC who's well respected aNd highly thought of throughout NFL CHECK
Matter of opinion. Haven't seen that in print anywhere at anytime. Haven't heard it said anywhere at anytime. That being said, I really like Whiz as a coach as well, and hope he stays here. I love his accountability, even though he is NEVER given credit for taking it.

Having coaches and FO staff being sought after by other teams CHECK
This is the biggest point in your favor. What the Cardinals did for Keim, and their selection of Horton as a coach are two gigantic moves for this organization.

Probably the best strength/conditioning coach in NFL CHECK
Matter of opinion. He is thought to be overrate by many.

Anyone else care to add?

-Players actually happy and excited to be drafted by the Cards
WHO? Cause they smile when they got drafted? I think that is them being happy they are millioniares now.

-Proactivley promoting Keim to V.P. of Player Personnel before losing him
Great move, you are 100% correct. But, lets get the facts straight, they did this AFTER they almost lost him. They re-acted, they weren't pro-active about the situation

-Every single game in the new stadium sold out
Technically you are right. Yet, there was no hiding the tarped off sections of the stadium last year.


Gentlemen,
I see this organization saying all the right things, and they are putting in place things to be competitive. Yet, there are very familiar re-occurring problems that this organization does every year, and has done so for decades. This team is .500 under Whiz. 39-39. I understand the excitement and respect it. You wanna call me names, and give me your arrogant and pretentious attitudes that is fine. It does nothing for your arguement. At least Shane gave some arguements. All good, all debatable, and all valid points. I am just not swayed by 2 winning seasons in 20 years. I am not swayed by an alarming lack of talent on the offensive line, and no constancy or direction at QB, along with no faith our current staff can find, coach, and/or groom a QB or offensive lineman to save their lives. And that is just current situations.
Long term, the organization still lets young talent leave without any fight. Then try to replace the talent cheaply at first, and then in the long run any money the organization tries to save by not re-signing talent, they lose by not being able to cheaply replace the talent they lost, then sign high-priced free agents to solve the problem, and then bust on the free agent signings. Thus you get these very average teams with high pay rolls, and average talent.

Changes that make me think is not your father's Cardinals ?

Promoting Steve Keim
Change in drafting technique.


That is it. Far from huge changes, in my humble opinion.

What is sad, that even though I am shown very little by some here, I do respect the opinion that this organization has changed. I just don't see it, or believe it yet.
 
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And arrogance is for a........

So onto your list.

1 losing season in last 5 years CHECK
- Demantled the team in less then 3 years. Was back to not paying talent and double digit losing seasons two years later.

A Super Bowl appearance and NFC champ banner CHECK
No doubt. See above.

2 NFC west titles CHECK
No doubt. See above.

More talent on the roster than any in at least the last 3 decades CHECK
Matter of opinion over proof. Our offense line is no better than last year, our LB core is a concern, depth at RB is unproven, and we have no viable, head and shoulders starting QB in a passing league

Team actually drafting from a BPA approach rather then panic CHECK
No doubt. Not sold on M.Floyd. You can better your drafting technique but you still gotta pick the right player

Snagging a well thought of front office exec from Pats CHECK
No doubt. But, he used to work here before.

A first class scouting dept. CHECK
No doubt.

A HC who's well respected aNd highly thought of throughout NFL CHECK
Matter of opinion. Haven't seen that in print anywhere at anytime. Haven't heard it said anywhere at anytime.

Having coaches and FO staff being sought after by other teams CHECK
This is the biggest point in your favor. What the Cardinals did for Keim, and their selection of Horton as a coach are two gigantic moves for this organization.

Probably the best strength/conditioning coach in NFL CHECK
Matter of opinion. He is thought to be overrate by many.


every list I see of coaches whiz is in the top 10.

everything I see about conditioning lott is #1. Hell, hes the combine guy even. Who thinks he is overrated? Posters on the forum?
 

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