When the chips are down, you can count on Kyler to…

[dscher]

I mean people were saying he was favorite to be the MVP...I am pretty sure his competition was Rodgers and Brady and Mahomes.

Fair enough. Were you completely opposed to his MVP recognition back then? Or did you give credit where it was due? I'm not saying to live in the past, just that if he HAS the ability to play among some of the elites, then we shouldn't just dismiss his potential moving forward. Even this year...as hard as that seems right now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That’s a copout… He’s clearly holding onto the ball too long and not seeing open wide receivers regardless of the play Cole you’re making too many excuses…

Agreed. There were times where he was hurried again today, but there were a lot of instances where he’s just sitting back there not finding anyone. An alarming amount of times today.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We can’t both give Kyler help on the offensive line and draft another off-ball linebacker in the first round. You have to decide.

Gimme another ILB!

 

[Shane]

He absolutely is but I think it's not so much holding it too long it's when he has pressure in his face he either backs up or he turns his back so he can't see guys that are open.

I think one thing this year that's really obvious is when hudson doesn't play, Kyler isn't very trusting of his OL. Against the Rams with Hudson it didn't matter they were just blowing up the OL into the backfield over and over I don't blame Kyler at all for not trusting his OL there

The Lions kept coming up the middle because they knew Hudson wasn't there, with one exception every screen, not lateral pass but screen, worked for that precise reason they were coming so hard up the middle. But Kyler has to audible to those or Kliff has to call more, and Kyler has to stand in there not turn his back and try to run back.

He was terrible today and really nobody played well, 2 drops by Kirk and Ertz each, false starts, all the late hits on Goff(one a horrible call on Phillips), the bad snap by Garcia that hosed a drive, and the defense was pathetic. But at the end of the day if Kyler plays better we still have a chance.

No no Russ. There were several instances today where he had no pressure and just didn’t throw to open WRs. He held it too long creating the pressure himself making the OL try and block to long. He’s clearly not seeing the field.

 

[Russ Smith]

No no Russ. There were several instances today where he had no pressure and just didn’t throw to open WRs. He held it too long creating the pressure himself making the OL try and block to long. He’s clearly not seeing the field.

I don't know I can only see what they show me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No no Russ. There were several instances today where he had no pressure and just didn’t throw to open WRs. He held it too long creating the pressure himself making the OL try and block to long. He’s clearly not seeing the field.

Or he just flat out airmailed passes when he has time.

 

[Chopper0080]

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[Chopper0080]

Fair enough. Were you completely opposed to his MVP recognition back then? Or did you give credit where it was due? I'm not saying to live in the past, just that if he HAS the ability to play among some of the elites, then we shouldn't just dismiss his potential moving forward. Even this year...as hard as that seems right now.

I would have won a nice chunk of cash if Kyler won the MVP and yes I thought he was playing at that level. I did not expect this regression to occur. I thought Kyler was past this.

 

[MrYeahBut]

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Well, you asked if Kyler had won anything except high school so I just posted that quote by Shaq when he was asked about winning. I thought it was a humorous reply.

 

[Chopper0080]

Well, you asked if Kyler had won anything except high school so I just posted that quote by Shaq when he was asked about winning. I thought it was a humorous reply.

Had to look this up. Pre all of his NBA titles.

 

[Lorenzo]

Outside of High School, what has Kyler won?

Heisman trophy? Nevertheless, some cards fans on these boards are piling on him for a couple regular season losses. As if he’s supposed to be perfect and cannot make mistakes in his young career…ok.

 

[TRW]

Crap the bed?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Heisman trophy? Nevertheless, some cards fans on these boards are piling on him for a couple regular season losses. As if he’s supposed to be perfect and cannot make mistakes in his young career…ok.

With a chance to go to the playoffs, he’s 0-4, looking totally pathetic in all 4 games against broken down or Covid ravaged rosters.

That’s a two season trend. These last couple awful games haven’t happened in a vacuum.

So far in big primetime games, Kyler consistently comes out and craps the bed in the first quarter. It’s a disturbing trend both in college and pro.

 

[Lorenzo]

With a chance to go to the playoffs, he’s 0-4, looking totally pathetic in all 4 games against broken down or Covid ravaged rosters.

That’s a two season trend. These last couple awful games haven’t happened in a vacuum.

So far in big primetime games, Kyler consistently comes out and craps the bed in the first quarter. It’s a disturbing trend both in college and pro.

So are you counting it against him..his game against LSU in college? Everyone knows LSU vs OU was a formality.

But college is over and done.

You know better than I do as far as what he’s done in Arizona. I think it’s safe to say he probably will get it together and lead his team to the playoffs this year. But we will see.

 

[kerouac9]

So are you counting it against him..his game against LSU in college? Everyone knows LSU vs OU was a formality.

But college is over and done.

You know better than I do as far as what he’s done in Arizona. I think it’s safe to say he probably will get it together and lead his team to the playoffs this year. But we will see.

What has he done? Two eight-week MVP campaigns in 17- and 18-week seasons?

Because he hasn’t lead this team anywhere yet. And limping to a Wild Card finish after this start is real Kirk Cousins vibes.

 

[Lorenzo]

What has he done? Two eight-week MVP campaigns in 17- and 18-week seasons?

Because he hasn’t lead this team anywhere yet. And limping to a Wild Card finish after this start is real Kirk Cousins vibes.

This is great. I can’t even come up with anything to reply to this. Kirk cousins comparisons already.

 

[Chopper0080]

This is great. I can’t even come up with anything to reply to this. Kirk cousins comparisons already.

I would say Matt Stafford at this point.

 

[Chopper0080]

Heisman trophy? Nevertheless, some cards fans on these boards are piling on him for a couple regular season losses. As if he’s supposed to be perfect and cannot make mistakes in his young career…ok.

He is 0 for all of his professional playoff clinching games and lost his only bowl game. No one cares about the Heisman as it is an individual award for piling on statistics vs sub competition everywhere outside the SEC. This is what he is at this point until he actually wins one of these games. It was the same with Lamar and coming from behind. You aren't until you show you are.

 

[Arz101]

I would say Matt Stafford at this point.

Matt Stafford level of QB play is sustainable for 15 years. Murray is not even built for that forget the talent

 

[Lorenzo]

He is 0 for all of his professional playoff clinching games and lost his only bowl game. No one cares about the Heisman as it is an individual award for piling on statistics vs sub competition everywhere outside the SEC. This is what he is at this point until he actually wins one of these games. It was the same with Lamar and coming from behind. You aren't until you show you are.

Heisman doesn’t matter…got it.

Beyond that it seems a bit premature to compare him to guys who have played for so long and with that most of their careers for football team and the lions.

Stafford is case in point that a QB is only as good as the talent around them.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Indy will set a rushing record against us.

This could easily happen.... But then again... We are just as likely to shut him down like D Henry.

Neither scenario will surprise me.

 

[Chopper0080]

Heisman doesn’t matter…got it.

Beyond that it seems a bit premature to compare him to guys who have played for so long and with that most of their careers for football team and the lions.

Stafford is case in point that a QB is only as good as the talent around them.

Kyler seems to need help similar to Stafford that this point. Lots of good stats but not as much winning when it matters.

And yes, for the NFL and when speaking about winning meaningful football games, the heisman doesn't matter.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Roll out to the side and out of bounds 20 yds....

 

[Lorenzo]

Kyler seems to need help similar to Stafford that this point. Lots of good stats but not as much winning when it matters.

And yes, for the NFL and when speaking about winning meaningful football games, the heisman doesn't matter.

I can agree about the heisman and his High school career, in regards to those being meaningless to the NFL now that he’s been drafted. but that’s not completely in context to my post. It was mentioned what has Kyler done since high school? I think winning a heisman is a significant accomplishment after what he did in high school, which for Texas high school football, that’s a big deal too because it really hasn’t been done by another Texas hs qb.

I think there is a lot of tit for tat on this. Like it’s ok to knock him for losing to LSU and somehow tie that into his young nfl career because he’s lost meaningful games in the nfl, but we can’t tie in his heisman, or prior success, because that has nothing to do with the nfl.

From my limited viewing of Kyler since he’s been in the nfl, I do think he needs to run less, but I say that for all qb’s that like to run. He is going to stay injured if he doesn’t release the ball more quickly from the pocket. And I know Kyler can be a good pocket passer, he just needs to keep working and pick his spots to run when it’s needed to win a game at the end.

 

[kerouac9]

I can agree about the heisman and his High school career, in regards to those being meaningless to the NFL now that he’s been drafted. but that’s not completely in context to my post. It was mentioned what has Kyler done since high school? I think winning a heisman is a significant accomplishment after what he did in high school, which for Texas high school football, that’s a big deal too because it really hasn’t been done by another Texas hs qb.

I think there is a lot of tit for tat on this. Like it’s ok to knock him for losing to LSU and somehow tie that into his young nfl career because he’s lost meaningful games in the nfl, but we can’t tie in his heisman, or prior success, because that has nothing to do with the nfl.

From my limited viewing of Kyler since he’s been in the nfl, I do think he needs to run less, but I say that for all qb’s that like to run. He is going to stay injured if he doesn’t release the ball more quickly from the pocket. And I know Kyler can be a good pocket passer, he just needs to keep working and pick his spots to run when it’s needed to win a game at the end.

How many current NFL players were on Kylers high school team?