Where's Emmitt?

[kerouac9]

If I remember it correctly I think that skkorp was saying it was a non story because it had already been reported. Obviously it was a story.

That may be so, but I know that I hadn't heard the story until it was confirmed by Jurecki or whomever on that thread. I didn't hear it on the 12 billion hours of 1060 coverage during the draft, and I hadn't heard it during any of the post-draft threads that I had read. It was getting a lot of run on that thread, even after Skkorp tried to quash the story. It certainly wasn't reported in Skkorp's post-draft article.

It's funny, because it is a story, but I hadn't heard anything about it until it was posted on the "old news" thread. Not in the papers, not anywhere. I hope some of those who are predicting 1300 yard, 10 TD seasons for Marcel remember that at some point on that April Satuday, Dennis Green must've though "Damn, I wish Kevin Jones had fallen just a little bit more."

Drafting Kevin Jones in the second round was a pre-draft hobby horse of mine. You know I'll be looking at the Lions' box scores all season.

 

[SECTION 11]

McAddley as a #3? Now, that is a wing and a prayer!

He did pretty well lining up as our #1 off the practice squad, I'm sure he could fare pretty well as a #3.

 

[ajcardfan]

He did pretty well lining up as our #1 off the practice squad, I'm sure he could fare pretty well as a #3.

He's not a slot wr, IMO. Not a great catch-in-traffic guy, which is what the #3 usually is. Even worse, almost nine months after he injured his hamstring, he still has issues with it. Not good for a guy who depends on his speed.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He (cheesebeef) assumed the agruement was over without a rebutle(sp) Just because someones' new doesn't mean they're any less of a fan. I could care less...have a nice life fellas

man - you need to take some downers - but I understand - I was an ass when I first got here also - so call me whatever you want - I just thought that Lex had said perfectly what needed to be said - it didn't mean I didn't think the conversation wouldn't go on - they always do.

 

[Jim O]

That may be so, but I know that I hadn't heard the story until it was confirmed by Jurecki or whomever on that thread. I didn't hear it on the 12 billion hours of 1060 coverage during the draft, and I hadn't heard it during any of the post-draft threads that I had read. It was getting a lot of run on that thread, even after Skkorp tried to quash the story. It certainly wasn't reported in Skkorp's post-draft article.

Actually K9, I found the thread. It was Kevin Jones that said that the Cards were on the phone with him but the Lions took him beofre. It does not mention that they were trying to trade up.

Skkorp actually said it was old news and I don't know why. I had never heard of it before. Maybe he was thinking about the attempted trade up for Gamble?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=30916&highlight=Kevin+Jones

 

[SECTION 11]

He's not a slot wr, IMO. Not a great catch-in-traffic guy, which is what the #3 usually is. Even worse, almost nine months after he injured his hamstring, he still has issues with it. Not good for a guy who depends on his speed.

I would have left Boldin in the slot and had McAddley and Johnson on the outside, but I'm pretty sure Green knows what he's doing with the receivers.
Our running game on the other hand has me worried.

 

[40yearfan]

I would have left Boldin in the slot and had McAddley and Johnson on the outside, but I'm pretty sure Green knows what he's doing with the receivers.
Our running game on the other hand has me worried.

Section 11, you forgot about Gilmore.

 

[kerouac9]

He's not a slot wr, IMO. Not a great catch-in-traffic guy, which is what the #3 usually is. Even worse, almost nine months after he injured his hamstring, he still has issues with it. Not good for a guy who depends on his speed.

It depends on the offense whether you want a big, possession guy in the slot, or a smaller, speedster guy in the slot. Teams like the Bills (Josh Reed) and Bucs (Joe Jerevicious) use bigger fellas to move the chains in the slot, but other offenses, like the Rams (Az-Zahir Hakim), Chargers (Tim Dwight), Patriots (Troy Brown), Steelers (Antwaan Randle-El), and most of the NFL uses ultra-quick little sparkplugs out of the slot.

It's really a matter of design, but I think that I'm with Sec 11, where I think that there isn't much of a problem with moving Anquan to the inside in the three-reciever set to move the chains, but also using McAddley to create matchup problems with his speed against slower nickle corners.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

I disagree that this article wasn't classy. It was a nice profile. I know that I'd forgotten that Emmitt Smith was on the roster. What a waste of time and money that experiment was. If Marcel Shipp had begun the season as the starter, we'd have a new running back by now.

Marcel must have bullied you on the play ground at one point. Gosh it just b=never stops with you and Marcel does it?

 

[nidan]

Our running game on the other hand has me worried.

I've been very impressed with some our backups such as Scoby and to my uneducated eye Larry Croom looks pretty good as well

 

[kerouac9]

Marcel must have bullied you on the play ground at one point. Gosh it just b=never stops with you and Marcel does it?

Truly, it "b=never stops", whatever that means. I just want what's going to help the Cards win, and I don't believe that is giving Marcel Shipp the rock 30 times a game for 16+ games. Especially not in Dennis Green's system.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Truly, it "b=never stops", whatever that means. I just want what's going to help the Cards win, and I don't believe that is giving Marcel Shipp the rock 30 times a game for 16+ games. Especially not in Dennis Green's system.

Come now, are we resorting to school kid typo put downs now?

 

[D-Dogg]

Last year we were 4-12. Without Emmitt we would have been 4-12. Now go buy your L. Davis jerseys.

Without Emmitt we would have been 3-13 at least....his veteran awareness allowed him to get the ball back and set up in time for Josh to hit Poole in the end zone.

I think Emmitt's contributions probably won another game as well without being seen, but I know for sure without Emmitt on the field, we wouldn't have beat the Vikes.

 

[azdad1978]

I've been very impressed with some our backups such as Scoby and to my uneducated eye Larry Croom looks pretty good as well

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Settle down buddy. Some people just have no respect for class and dignity. It's not what have I done, but what can you do for me right now. Emmittt should be given respect because he tried his damndest to help this organization. His heart was in the right place and he truly thought he could help this organization reach respectability.

I hope that with this new coaching staff, his wish will come true this year.

i have as much respect as the next guy for emmitt. doesn't mean i want him on my team. nor does having respect mean that i have glorify a player who is no longer worth his salary. neil lomax was a great player. maybe we should sign him for $2.7. i'm sure he can help our young qbs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

To everybody, references to dairy substances and body appendages has been dealt with (I Hope).

Drop the subject.

sorry nidan, my last post was reactionary. my bad. still, i have yet to get to a post where black apologizes for the name calling, so i'm not retracting my statement. but i apologize to everyone else.

 

[nidan]

THis thread is one additional comment like your last one from being closed.

I said I dealt with it and I did, I also dealt with your post.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

THis thread is one additional comment like your last one from being closed.

I said I dealt with it and I did, I also dealt with your post.

yeah, sorry nidan.

 

[Shane]

Shipp is not hurt. He took the whole practice today. I don't know who starts these rumors, but they should really get a life.

Thanks Jim!

About time someone put Black in his place after spouting off false crap like Shipp was hurt in practice today

 

[Redsz]

Truly, it "b=never stops", whatever that means. I just want what's going to help the Cards win, and I don't believe that is giving Marcel Shipp the rock 30 times a game for 16+ games. Especially not in Dennis Green's system.

This is funny. I have read a number of your posts about Shipp. And it seems with every post the number of carries Shipp will need to have in order to be effective grows with each one.

First it was 15, then 20 and now 30!.

I guess it must be subliminal (sp?) messages in it's most subtle form.

 

[kerouac9]

This is funny. I have read a number of your posts about Shipp. And it seems with every post the number of carries Shipp will need to have in order to be effective grows with each one.

First it was 15, then 20 and now 30!.

I guess it must be subliminal (sp?) messages in it's most subtle form.

Looking at this, it seems like Marcel needs at least 20 carries a game to be effective (get around 4.0 ypc).

Here's Marcel's production last season when he got less than 20 carries:

Game - Carries - Yards - Avg

@DET - 4 - 19 - 4.8
SEA - 4 - 6 - 1.5
GB - 7 - 24 - 3.4
@DAL - 9 - 31 - 3.4
BAL - 14 - 61 - 4.4
@CLE - 9 - 23 - 2.6
@CHI - 14 - 34 - 2.4
@SF - 13 - 30 - 2.3
@SEA - 12 - 32 - 2.7
MIN - 9 - 17 - 1.9

Over 20 Carries:

Game - Carries - Yards - Avg

SF - 35 - 165 - 4.7
CIN - 29 - 141 - 4.9
@PIT - 22 - 63 - 2.9
STL - 24 - 95 - 4.0
CAR - 23 - 89 - 3.9

And, of course, 0 TDs over any game.

If Marcel is going to get the 1000 yards that Denny wants (62.5 YPG) or the 1200 yards that many on this board are predicting (75 YPG), Marcel is going to need about 18-25 carries a game.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Although Kerouac's Shipp-bashing maybe as repetitive as Vikesfan's Green-blowing, he at least backs up his opinions with facts and good observations. While I agree with K9 in that Marcel will never be the feature back of a contending team, I disagree in that he has no place in a Denny Green offense and will be off the team by the time the new stadium opens up. To me, Shipp will be an ideal situational, change-of-pace, and backup RB for the Cardinals, a la Leroy Hoard and Moe Williams in old Green offenses. That is, if he is able to stay healthy.

 

[kerouac9]

Although Kerouac's Shipp-bashing maybe as repetitive as Vikesfan's Green-blowing, he at least backs up his opinions with facts and good observations.

Now that's funny.

While I agree with K9 in that Marcel will never be the feature back of a contending team, I disagree in that he has no place in a Denny Green offense and will be off the team by the time the new stadium opens up. To me, Shipp will be an ideal situational, change-of-pace, and backup RB for the Cardinals, a la Leroy Hoard and Moe Williams in old Green offenses. That is, if he is able to stay healthy.

I actually agree with that. I think that Marcel Shipp can be the best #2 running back in the league since Stacey Mack with the Jaguars. Marcel is entering the second year of a four-year, $8 million dollar contract extension that he signed in December of 2002, right? $2 million-plus per season is a lot to pay a backup running back, but once Smith is off the roster, it might end up a pretty good bargain. I just don't really expect him to be in Cardinal Red after 2006, or whenever his contract runs out.

That being said, I don't know if a team really has a use for a close-yardage banger who fumbles in the red zone.

 

[AZCB34]

Looking at this, it seems like Marcel needs at least 20 carries a game to be effective (get around 4.0 ypc).

Here's Marcel's production last season when he got less than 20 carries:

Game - Carries - Yards - Avg

@DET - 4 - 19 - 4.8
SEA - 4 - 6 - 1.5
GB - 7 - 24 - 3.4
@DAL - 9 - 31 - 3.4
BAL - 14 - 61 - 4.4
@CLE - 9 - 23 - 2.6
@CHI - 14 - 34 - 2.4
@SF - 13 - 30 - 2.3
@SEA - 12 - 32 - 2.7
MIN - 9 - 17 - 1.9

Over 20 Carries:

Game - Carries - Yards - Avg

SF - 35 - 165 - 4.7
CIN - 29 - 141 - 4.9
@PIT - 22 - 63 - 2.9
STL - 24 - 95 - 4.0
CAR - 23 - 89 - 3.9

And, of course, 0 TDs over any game.

If Marcel is going to get the 1000 yards that Denny wants (62.5 YPG) or the 1200 yards that many on this board are predicting (75 YPG), Marcel is going to need about 18-25 carries a game.

If Wylie does what I expect him to do with the OL, Shipp is going to get his carries and will convince this team he can start and get yards AND score. The one move Green made right was getting Wylie as his OL coach (I am not saying Green only made one right move but I really question alot of the things he has done). He is a difference maker and it shows on the field.

As long as the cards are competitive, he will get his carries because, unlike Sullivan, I believe the Cards will not abandon the running game when the fall down 3-0 like Sullivan seemed to do.

As for the fumbles...we shall see if that can be dealt with.

 

[kerouac9]

If Wylie does what I expect him to do with the OL, Shipp is going to get his carries and will convince this team he can start and get yards AND score. The one move Green made right was getting Wylie as his OL coach (I am not saying Green only made one right move but I really question alot of the things he has done). He is a difference maker and it shows on the field.

As long as the cards are competitive, he will get his carries because, unlike Sullivan, I believe the Cards will not abandon the running game when the fall down 3-0 like Sullivan seemed to do.

As for the fumbles...we shall see if that can be dealt with.

I'll believe Wylie's success when I see it. If he had done such a great job in Chicago, why did the Bears feel the need to sign three free agents along the offensive line this offseason? Chicago finished 23rd in the NFL in sacks allowed last season (one less than the Arizona Cardinals), and 18th in rushing YPG, and produced an 4.0 YPC average.

I wish this group the best, and am not certain that it can get much worse, but to say that Wylie can turn this group dramatically around, or that he's the same caliber of coach as, say, Alex Gibbs or the OL coach for the Giants the past couple seasons doesn't seem to carry a lot of evidence.