Which team will be the best fit for our ex-HC.

[Duckjake]

Give Whisenhunt a roster loaded with quality players and he'll win. Just don't let him pick the players.

2008 the Cards had arguably the best talent across the board that they'd had since the start of free agency.

Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Edgerrin James, Antrell Rolle, Antonio Smith, Darnell Dockett, Bertrand Berry, Chike Okeafor, DRC, Karlos Dansby, and Adrian Wilson. 8 guys who would make the Pro Bowl.

In addition most of them had been on the team for several years. Those listed had a combined 41 years with the Cardinals going into the 2008 season.

As an aside: Did the Cardinals really once start a Defensive line composed of Fred Wakefield, Barron Tanner, Russell Davis and Tom Burke?

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Demand increases for Whisenhunt

With five NFL coaching jobs open, one name continues to emerge on the various wish lists: San Diego offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt.

 

[Cardiac]

I avoided this thread up until now because I knew I would get irritated with the Whiz haters. Whiz will get another HC job and do very well. Sure he made some mistakes with the Cards but he is human and ergo not perfect. What makes him almost perfect is that he lead the Cards to the SB. Dismiss this as some may with Haley and Warner were the only reason why this happened. So Haley has done what since leaving the Cards??????????? Warner was cut by the Giants and playing like crap for Denny Green.

Simple truth is Whiz did a fantastic job for the Cards for several years and anyone hating on him is simply a jerk.

 

[PACardsFan]

I avoided this thread up until now because I knew I would get irritated with the Whiz haters. Whiz will get another HC job and do very well. Sure he made some mistakes with the Cards but he is human and ergo not perfect. What makes him almost perfect is that he lead the Cards to the SB. Dismiss this as some may with Haley and Warner were the only reason why this happened. So Haley has done what since leaving the Cards??????????? Warner was cut by the Giants and playing like crap for Denny Green.

Simple truth is Whiz did a fantastic job for the Cards for several years and anyone hating on him is simply a jerk.

Well said, thank you.

 

[cardpa]

I avoided this thread up until now because I knew I would get irritated with the Whiz haters. Whiz will get another HC job and do very well. Sure he made some mistakes with the Cards but he is human and ergo not perfect. What makes him almost perfect is that he lead the Cards to the SB. Dismiss this as some may with Haley and Warner were the only reason why this happened. So Haley has done what since leaving the Cards??????????? Warner was cut by the Giants and playing like crap for Denny Green.

Simple truth is Whiz did a fantastic job for the Cards for several years and anyone hating on him is simply a jerk.

Sounds a little harsh to me. To say Whiz did a fantastic job during his tenure in AZ is a bit beyond truth. I guess if you want to throw out his last 3 years here you can make a statement like that however one has to notice that once Whiz got more personnel power with his contract extension it just happen to coincide with the slow but steady decline of the football team. For me that is a strong indictment of Whiz's effect on the performance of the team. That is also why both Whiz and Graves were given the heave ho at the conclusion of the 2012 season. The subsequent turnover of players (half the roster) and turn around of the team by BA/SK also points to the quality of coaches and players Whiz/Graves left upon their departure was not what you needed to be successful in the NFL.

One more thing just because someone doesn't agree with your view of Whiz and his time in AZ doesn't necessarily make them a jerk nor is calling them a jerk necessary. They are entitle to their opinion whether it is right or wrong.

 

[WisconsinCard]

1) 3) I would have been okay with the Cards doing a one year experiment with Whiz operating under a Keim GM regime. It probably wouldn't have worked out, but it would have been interesting. I cannot say the opposite would have been true. As a matter of fact I doubt Arians would have even considered coming here with the Human Snail still at the reins.

I would think that SK would have wanted to bring in "HIS GUY" after being hired anyway. It doesn't usually take long for a coach to be ousted after a new GM is hired.

 

[GuernseyCard]

From a SEAHAWK fan:

Does anybody know who's decision it was to continually pass on QB until the 5th and draft a project QB? Whiz or Graves?

Nobody has ever really answered that and I don't think anyone really knows. What I do know is that Whiz has had playoff success with 3 1st round talent QB's. Big Ben and Rivers were literally 1st rounders, and KW was KW.

Looking at the drafts in hindsight it appears Whiz/Graves were smart to pass on Locker, Gabbert and Ponder in Round 1 in 2011, and Dalton and Kaep were gone by the time they drafted in round 2. They passed on Jimmy Clausen and Colt McCoy in 2010, that doesn't seem egregious. In 2012 Luck, RGIII and Tannehill were all off the board when the Cards drafted. I think you're happy they passed on Brandon Weeden. They didn't have a 2nd so Brock Osweiler wasn't a possibility. Russell Wilson was gone before the Cards picked.

My point is, Whiz needed a QB at the exact time NO QB's were available to him. No veteran QB's worth a darn changed teams during that period either. Whiz's QBOF options were trade for Charlie Whitehurst (ugh) trade for Kevin Kolb (ugh) or mortgage the future to trade up for Tannehill and even then you need a partner. Probably Jacksonville or Tampa and who knows if they would have been willing or what they would have asked. Also, they had Kevin Kolb at that point so they weren't interested in trading.

But, BA comes along and lo and behold, Carson Palmer is available for almost nothing. There's not a doubt in my mind that Whiz would have had success this year with Carson Palmer. I do NOT want this to turn into a BA bashing session. I think he's one of the best coaches in the league and I think the Cards were smart to hire him. But, he had more QB luck in 1 month then Whiz had in 3 years.

I think Whiz will do a good job if hired in Detroit. I also think not being tied to Graves will help him too. Graves never gave him O-Line help. It seemed like his thought was "I drafted Levi in the 1st round that 1 year. I addressed the Oline, it's your problem if you can't get him to play well" I do think Whiz needs to get away from his cronies. Bringing Russ Grimm along would be a bad idea imo. Should be interesting though.

 

[SO91]

Sounds a little harsh to me. To say Whiz did a fantastic job during his tenure in AZ is a bit beyond truth. I guess if you want to throw out his last 3 years here you can make a statement like that however one has to notice that once Whiz got more personnel power with his contract extension it just happen to coincide with the slow but steady decline of the football team. For me that is a strong indictment of Whiz's effect on the performance of the team. That is also why both Whiz and Graves were given the heave ho at the conclusion of the 2012 season. The subsequent turnover of players (half the roster) and turn around of the team by BA/SK also points to the quality of coaches and players Whiz/Graves left upon their departure was not what you needed to be successful in the NFL.

One more thing just because someone doesn't agree with your view of Whiz and his time in AZ doesn't necessarily make them a jerk nor is calling them a jerk necessary. They are entitle to their opinion whether it is right or wrong.

He didn't say he did a fantastic job during his entire tenure in AZ. He said SEVERAL years which is correct. He also recognizes that Whis made mistakes.

 

[Shane]

From a SEAHAWK fan:

Does anybody know who's decision it was to continually pass on QB until the 5th and draft a project QB? Whiz or Graves?

Nobody has ever really answered that and I don't think anyone really knows. What I do know is that Whiz has had playoff success with 3 1st round talent QB's. Big Ben and Rivers were literally 1st rounders, and KW was KW.

Looking at the drafts in hindsight it appears Whiz/Graves were smart to pass on Locker, Gabbert and Ponder in Round 1 in 2011, and Dalton and Kaep were gone by the time they drafted in round 2. They passed on Jimmy Clausen and Colt McCoy in 2010, that doesn't seem egregious. In 2012 Luck, RGIII and Tannehill were all off the board when the Cards drafted. I think you're happy they passed on Brandon Weeden. They didn't have a 2nd so Brock Osweiler wasn't a possibility. Russell Wilson was gone before the Cards picked.

My point is, Whiz needed a QB at the exact time NO QB's were available to him. No veteran QB's worth a darn changed teams during that period either. Whiz's QBOF options were trade for Charlie Whitehurst (ugh) trade for Kevin Kolb (ugh) or mortgage the future to trade up for Tannehill and even then you need a partner. Probably Jacksonville or Tampa and who knows if they would have been willing or what they would have asked. Also, they had Kevin Kolb at that point so they weren't interested in trading.

But, BA comes along and lo and behold, Carson Palmer is available for almost nothing. There's not a doubt in my mind that Whiz would have had success this year with Carson Palmer. I do NOT want this to turn into a BA bashing session. I think he's one of the best coaches in the league and I think the Cards were smart to hire him. But, he had more QB luck in 1 month then Whiz had in 3 years.

I think Whiz will do a good job if hired in Detroit. I also think not being tied to Graves will help him too. Graves never gave him O-Line help. It seemed like his thought was "I drafted Levi in the 1st round that 1 year. I addressed the Oline, it's your problem if you can't get him to play well" I do think Whiz needs to get away from his cronies. Bringing Russ Grimm along would be a bad idea imo. Should be interesting though.

 

[CtCardinals78]

That's all well and good, except that by all accounts Whisenhunt had a significant say in personnel decisions. Whisenhunt/Graves proved that they were not afraid to pull off trades during draft day. If you can move up to snag Alan Branch, you can move up a few spots in the second round for Kaepernick or Dalton. Also, let's not forget the second rounder wasn't there in 2012 because failing to address the QB position for years led them to desperately trade that pick away for Kolb.

 

[kerouac9]

That's all well and good, except that by all accounts Whisenhunt had a significant say in personnel decisions. Whisenhunt/Graves proved that they were not afraid to pull off trades during draft day. If you can move up to snag Alan Branch, you can move up a few spots in the second round for Kaepernick or Dalton. Also, let's not forget the second rounder wasn't there in 2012 because failing to address the QB position for years led them to desperately trade that pick away for Kolb.

But if we had moved up to take a quarterback, we wouldn't have Ryan Williams, a prospect that Steve Keim loved and told we would draft if available.

 

[GuernseyCard]

But if we had moved up to take a quarterback, we wouldn't have Ryan Williams, a prospect that Steve Keim loved and told we would draft if available.

And until he was horribly injured in preseason, most fans were raving about.

 

[Cardiac]

Sounds a little harsh to me. To say Whiz did a fantastic job during his tenure in AZ is a bit beyond truth. I guess if you want to throw out his last 3 years here you can make a statement like that however one has to notice that once Whiz got more personnel power with his contract extension it just happen to coincide with the slow but steady decline of the football team. For me that is a strong indictment of Whiz's effect on the performance of the team. That is also why both Whiz and Graves were given the heave ho at the conclusion of the 2012 season. The subsequent turnover of players (half the roster) and turn around of the team by BA/SK also points to the quality of coaches and players Whiz/Graves left upon their departure was not what you needed to be successful in the NFL.

One more thing just because someone doesn't agree with your view of Whiz and his time in AZ doesn't necessarily make them a jerk nor is calling them a jerk necessary. They are entitle to their opinion whether it is right or wrong.

Almost every new HC & GM will turn over a roster. The big difference was getting Palmer as the QB. I'm truly tired of going over this since basically nobody ever changes their opinion.

I use the word Jerk because IMHO anyone who doesn't appreciate what Whiz did for this team is an ungrateful jerk. I've said that Whiz made mistakes and I get why he was fired. But the never ending bashing on Whiz by some posters is simply jerky which makes them a jerk.

 

[kerouac9]

And until he was horribly injured in preseason, most fans were raving about.

Well, the enthusiasm of fans is clearly the best metric for a prospect.

As we know, Ryan Williams never fumbled in college.

 

[desertdawg]

And until he was horribly injured in preseason, most fans were raving about.

I went to a Ryan Williams rave just last night, the scene is almost dead but Keim was still out there glow sticking and... and he can do the liquid quite well for a big guy, very fluid in movement.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Well, the enthusiasm of fans is clearly the best metric for a prospect.

As we know, Ryan Williams never fumbled in college.

Is there a metric for animus?

As in the level of your dislike for Keim?

 

[GuernseyCard]

I went to a Ryan Williams rave just last night, the scene is almost dead but Keim was still out there glow sticking and... and he can do the liquid quite well for a big guy, very fluid in movement.

Good one... (lol)

 

[kerouac9]

Is there a metric for animus?

As in the level of your dislike for Keim?

Subject change. Very persuasive.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Subject change. Very persuasive.

Well, I'm persuaded that i know where you're coming from.

 

[Duckjake]

Almost every new HC & GM will turn over a roster.

The big difference was getting Palmer as the QB. I'm truly tired of going over this since basically nobody ever changes their opinion.

I use the word Jerk because IMHO anyone who doesn't appreciate what Whiz did for this team is an ungrateful jerk. I've said that Whiz made mistakes and I get why he was fired. But the never ending bashing on Whiz by some posters is simply jerky which makes them a jerk.

Right on the money, Whisenhunt didn't turn over the roster the year he was hired and he took the team to,the SB. It wasn't until later that some fool decided to dump all our good players.

 

[Stout]

Almost every new HC & GM will turn over a roster. The big difference was getting Palmer as the QB. I'm truly tired of going over this since basically nobody ever changes their opinion.

I use the word Jerk because IMHO anyone who doesn't appreciate what Whiz did for this team is an ungrateful jerk. I've said that Whiz made mistakes and I get why he was fired. But the never ending bashing on Whiz by some posters is simply jerky which makes them a jerk.

I think a lot of people that turned on KW did so because they were frustrated that a coach who could come in and turn the team around the way he did could become so stupid, set in his ways, and drag the team down the way he ultimately did. I'm of this camp, as there is no denying it was his stubbornness and pigheadedness that contributed to his demise. We were desperate for a QB, so why weren't WE the team that traded for Palmer in the first place? IMHO, I think the success went to his head, and KW figured he could do no wrong and he refused to bend on anything. RE: Russ Grimm.

 

[Totally_Red]

Right on the money, Whisenhunt didn't turn over the roster the year he was hired and he took the team to,the SB. It wasn't until later that some fool decided to dump all our good players.

Who can forget the Black Friday when in the space of a few hours, Kurt Warner, Anquan Boldin, Karlos Dansby and Antrel Rolle were all gone?

You can't hemorrhage talent like that and expect to win, especially when the teams in your division are steadily improving.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Tennessee or Minnesota, if he leaves San Diego.

Can't see him going to Detroit, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Shane]

Tennessee or Minnesota, if he leaves San Diego.

Can't see him going to Detroit, but that's just my opinion.

Is minnesota even interviewing him?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I avoided this thread up until now because I knew I would get irritated with the Whiz haters. Whiz will get another HC job and do very well. Sure he made some mistakes with the Cards but he is human and ergo not perfect. What makes him almost perfect is that he lead the Cards to the SB. Dismiss this as some may with Haley and Warner were the only reason why this happened. So Haley has done what since leaving the Cards??????????? Warner was cut by the Giants and playing like crap for Denny Green.

Simple truth is Whiz did a fantastic job for the Cards for several years and anyone hating on him is simply a jerk.

Hi pretentious arse, I am Simply A. Jerk.

Nice to make you acquaintance.

I appreciate that Whiz changed the culture in AZ. Yet, he deserved to be fired, and showed his limitations as a head coach when given a lot of power.

If the difference is Carson Palmer then why after Kurt Warner retired did Whiz and company decide on Kevin Kolb ?

He did have a chance to get a average QB, and his choice was Kolb.

Arians had the same chance and his choice was Palmer.

And hating is not the same as saying he was not the man for this job anymore, but that is how it is always taken for some reason.

And please, enough with Whiz coaching up Warner.....he gave him a pair of gloves. And yes, Whiz and that team would have done jack squat without Warner as the QB.

Yet, Arians is not given the same credit with matching the same top win total as Whiz was ever able to achieve, and Arians didn't have Kurt Warner, he had Carson Palmer.