Who do the Cards hire if Whis is fired

[Southpaw]

Tony Dungy or Andy Reid

Ghandi and Buddah (the fat one). No thank you.

 

[JeffGollin]

I hope chucky

Bingo.

2nd option - Horton, with Norv as OC.

 

[Duckjake]

Boom, another potential Bidwill "I admire the Cowboys" sort of hire

Then its got to be Bill Callahan the Cowboys OC/OLC. Took the Raiders to the SB first year as HC. Then promptly went 4-12 and then went to Nebraska where he specialized in lopsided defeats. So he would fit right in here.

Except for one thing. Offensive linemen he coached went to the pro bowl!

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

If our D.C. is such a hot property, then no reason to let him go be a head coach elsewhere when we have him here already. Just change his title and we have the guy others want.

I would certainly prefer that. One reason is that I think he would realize as much as anyone that you win with the beef up front, not the fancy dressing surrounding it.

 

[Assface]

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/coaches/Mike-McCoy/d0f303a8-afba-4f0d-926a-f19dc6731bce

 

[az jam]

Todd Haley.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

What to do?

Rejoice that the "system" is finally off to work some where else.

 

[JeffGollin]

Todd Haley.

Bill Haley (Crazy Man Crazy).

 

[Darkside]

The question is would it please everyone enough if the fired Grimm and Miller brought a true proven OC and OL coach and left Whiz at HC and somehow landed a QB in off season? Would you still be pissed or would that be enough to calm you?

Nobody is going to agree with me obviously, given our record and just getting trounced, but your suggestion would be my optimal choice, if I were given a vote.

I have to say though that I let a lot of bad coaching pass because of his past accomplishments with Warner. I've been thinking a lot about Whis and the job he's done, as I'm sure everyone has, and he's got some serious flaws as a coach.

I think it's fairly obvious that he's way too loyal. I don't know if the whole Pittsburgh thing (not getting promoted from within when they made the move for Tomlin) made him that way or he was that way before, but promoting from within has been an atrocious failure. Sticking with Grimm has also been a huge failure--and I've written many posts defending Grimm's ability to coach up bad players.

And I don't know if it's because we were considered a finesse, soft team when Warner was here, but he has completely mishandled the offensive side of the ball at every position by being a hardass when it isn't called for. I'm not talking about what he says, I'm talking about stupid crap he does, like playing Beanie late in preseason two years in a row and getting his ass dinged up (and yes, we know he's fragile, all the more reason to limit his preseason play). Benching a vet like Edge over stupid disagreements. Cutting Matt Leinart. I won't get in to the suckiness or merits of Leinart but we didn't get anything for him. And he exposed Leinart in the media beforehand so that he was worthless and tradeless. That's just bad coaching. Andy Reid he isn't.

And time management issues. Personnel issues. And there's more.

It's not just one thing. They pile up over the years. He has some good points but I won't pretend he doesn't have issues he needs to work on.

Who would be a better offensive coordinator: Norv Turner or Cam Cameron? I'm torn. Norv Tuner couldn't do jack--over a long period of time--with a talented team in SD. And they were pretty damn talented when they still had LT, Sproles, and Vincent Jackson. Cam Cameron I thought did well frankly; he should have ran more, but their problems passing IMO are on Flacco and not Cameron.

 

[52brandon]

The question is would it please everyone enough if the fired Grimm and Miller brought a true proven OC and OL coach and left Whiz at HC and somehow landed a QB in off season? Would you still be pissed or would that be enough to calm you?

it would please me. But the question is whether or not it would please the players. It seems apparent to me that Whiz lost his team. Will they respect him again next year if the rest of the coaching staff (minus Horton, assuming he doesn't leave anyways) is canned? That's my biggest question

I'd like to see:

GM: Graves out, Keim in
HC: if the team can give him 100% of their trust again keep Whiz and give Horton a lot more control with a lot more money to keep him around
DC: keep Horton. And his entire staff of D assistants, unless he feels otherwise
Lott and Alosi stay as strength and conditioning coaches. I think there's no problems there

Now all the changes...
OC: Miller gone, run out of the state. And Norv Turner in
OL: Grimm also run out of town. Hire Juan Castillo. He needs a job and has experience
Chad Grimm is Offensive Quality Control Coach? He should be shot. There's no "quality" on O. NONE
Switch John McNulty and Frank Reich. We have a guy with WR coaching experience coaching the QBs (and they don't look too good lol) and a guy with QB coaching experience coaching the WRs (who also don't look good. Even watched Fitz and Roberts drop some balls that were right in their hands this year)

 

[Darkside]

it would please me. But the question is whether or not it would please the players. It seems apparent to me that Whiz lost his team. Will they respect him again next year if the rest of the coaching staff (minus Horton, assuming he doesn't leave anyways) is canned? That's my biggest question

I'd like to see:

GM: Graves out, Keim in
HC: if the team can give him 100% of their trust again keep Whiz and give Horton a lot more control with a lot more money to keep him around
DC: keep Horton. And his entire staff of D assistants, unless he feels otherwise
Lott and Alosi stay as strength and conditioning coaches. I think there's no problems there

Now all the changes...
OC: Miller gone, run out of the state. And Norv Turner in
OL: Grimm also run out of town. Hire Juan Castillo. He needs a job and has experience
Chad Grimm is Offensive Quality Control Coach? He should be shot. There's no "quality" on O. NONE
Switch John McNulty and Frank Reich. We have a guy with WR coaching experience coaching the QBs (and they don't look too good lol) and a guy with QB coaching experience coaching the WRs (who also don't look good. Even watched Fitz and Roberts drop some balls that were right in their hands this year)

This is a good post. I don't know if Juan Castillo would settle for OL coach though. And I'm not sold on Lott and Alosi dude, we've had a plethora of injuries this year.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This obsession with Graves is pointless. He's the guy the Bidwill's are comfortable with and that won't change. Keim, since last spring, is the de facto GM and he and Licht are entering their first offseason in full charge of acquiring personnel. The chances of change in this method of doing things is highly unlikely. The changes at the coaching level are a much more likely subject of useful debate, although, unlike many, I believe those changes will be below Whiz's pay grade and will not include Grimm.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

HC - Ray Horton
OC - Norv Turner
QB - Alex Smith

You heard it from me first.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

This is a good post. I don't know if Juan Castillo would settle for OL coach though. And I'm not sold on Lott and Alosi dude, we've had a plethora of injuries this year.

Do you know of any injuries directly related to players being poorly conditioned to play? If not, there's nothing to lay at Lott's door.

 

[jmt]

Bill Haley (Crazy Man Crazy).

Todd Rundgren? Please, no Norv, no Ryans, no college coaches. I don't like Dungy or Reid or Homgren either. Gruden would be great but why would he come here?

 

[52brandon]

This is a good post. I don't know if Juan Castillo would settle for OL coach though. And I'm not sold on Lott and Alosi dude, we've had a plethora of injuries this year.

good point on the injuries. But most of em were not conditioning related IMO. Except Beanie, but he's always been a liability there. As for Castillo, he got his shot at coordinator, and couldn't make it a season. I don't think he'll have much choice and would be happy just to find employment so quickly

 

[Crazy Canuck]

good point on the injuries. But most of em were not conditioning related IMO. Except Beanie, but he's always been a liability there. As for Castillo, he got his shot at coordinator, and couldn't make it a season. I don't think he'll have much choice and would be happy just to find employment so quickly

How are Beanie's knee woes 'condition' related?

 

[artp]

Andy Reid
David Shaw
Ray Horton
Mike Tice

 

[52brandon]

How are Beanie's knee woes 'condition' related?

knee? I thought he had turf toe? But I do think joint injuries can be avoided or minimized through training and conditioning. Stuff like concussions, Kolb's rib injury, RWILL's weird injury, etc. are much harder to avoid through conditioning

 

[Jetstream Green]

Todd Rundgren? Please, no Norv, no Ryans, no college coaches. I don't like Dungy or Reid or Homgren either. Gruden would be great but why would he come here?

For me, I do not know what would make Gruden such a desirable coach. I find it ironic he is so watched in his sit down with college QBs before the draft when he himself could not find a QB for the life of his team during his final stint in Tampa...I remember the QB carousel mess he suffered in Tampa Bay which is hauntingly similar to our situation. Whis and Gruden suffer from the same affliction, they cannot spot a QB. They both reached the big dance and watched everything go south on them since then. He had a aging vet in Oakland in Gannon as we had in Warner. When faltering after his Superbowl win with the Bucs, much like we say Whis used talent left by Green which he did not acquire...the same was said of Gruden and the talent Dungy left him. If one wants John Gruden, we already have one just like him in Whis in my opinion. I actually think they are both good coaches but cannot spot or develop QBs and lack overall in acquiring the talent which they can show their coaching skills. And Gruden and Whis share another trait, they are two of the most stubborn characters to have coached

 

[Mainstreet]

IMO, keeping Whiz is not a good idea. He has proved too stubborn to make changes and as I see it, this is why the Cardinals are where they are. Hire Horton or someone else who is competent to be Head Coach.

 

[Buckybird]

For me, I do not know what would make Gruden such a desirable coach. I find it ironic he is so watched in his sit down with college QBs before the draft when he himself could not find a QB for the life of his team during his final stint in Tampa...I remember the QB carousel mess he suffered in Tampa Bay which is hauntingly similar to our situation. Whis and Gruden suffer from the same affliction, they cannot spot a QB. They both reached the big dance and watched everything go south on them since then. He had a aging vet in Oakland in Gannon as we had in Warner. When faltering after his Superbowl win with the Bucs, much like we say Whis used talent left by Green which he did not acquire...the same was said of Gruden and the talent Dungy left him. If you want Gruden, we already have one just like him in Whis in my opinion. I actually think they are both good coaches but cannot spot or develop QBs and lack overall in acquiring the talent which they can show their coaching skills.

well said Jetstream. Plus Gruden is a total hard ass on QBs which could kill a young kid if we were to add one...just like he did with Simms & Wiz did with Leinart. I'm not much on Gruden without a proven QB either.

 

[artp]

I also like Chip Kelly (?). The Oregon HC

 

[Buckybird]

it would please me. But the question is whether or not it would please the players. It seems apparent to me that Whiz lost his team. Will they respect him again next year if the rest of the coaching staff (minus Horton, assuming he doesn't leave anyways) is canned? That's my biggest question

I'd like to see:

GM: Graves out, Keim in
HC: if the team can give him 100% of their trust again keep Whiz and give Horton a lot more control with a lot more money to keep him around
DC: keep Horton. And his entire staff of D assistants, unless he feels otherwise
Lott and Alosi stay as strength and conditioning coaches. I think there's no problems there

Now all the changes...
OC: Miller gone, run out of the state. And Norv Turner in
OL: Grimm also run out of town. Hire Juan Castillo. He needs a job and has experience
Chad Grimm is Offensive Quality Control Coach? He should be shot. There's no "quality" on O. NONE
Switch John McNulty and Frank Reich. We have a guy with WR coaching experience coaching the QBs (and they don't look too good lol) and a guy with QB coaching experience coaching the WRs (who also don't look good. Even watched Fitz and Roberts drop some balls that were right in their hands this year)

Yeah Brandon I never understood the Reich/McNulty backwards coaching either.
I highly doubt Horton is back next year even if he gets a big pay raise, unless he's the HC.

 

[Buckybird]

I also like Chip Kelly (?). The Oregon HC

Something tells me Brian Kelly would make a better NFL HC