Who do you start at center (next to Amare) for game 2?

[mojorizen7]

I'm starting Lou. Then i'd rotate Frye in off the bench, with spot minutes from Collins/Jones.

 

[HooverDam]

Frye, it spreads the floor and helps the Suns dictate their style onto the Blazers. The crowd that continues to say the Suns need to be big, and be something they're not are crying in vain. The Suns need a guy who doesn't clog the lane for the Amare-Nash P&R and can lure one of Portlands many big guys out to the perimeter.

 

[Mulli]

Those choices are sad. Almost as sad as Joe Kleine or Danny Schayes.

 

[dodie53]

chan-ningggggg

 

[dreamcastrocks]

For sake of continuity, I still start Jarron. He doesn't stay in long though. I also show a lineup of Lou, Amare, and Frye for a few minutes at a time as well.

 

[elindholm]

Start Collins. The notion that the Suns' offense has to revolve around Stoudemire is myopic and doomed to failure. I'd rather play 4 on 5 on offense than let the Blazers play 5 on 4 on the other end, which is what you get with Frye.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Start Collins. The notion that the Suns' offense has to revolve around Stoudemire is myopic and doomed to failure. I'd rather play 4 on 5 on offense than let the Blazers play 5 on 4 on the other end, which is what you get with Frye.

I'd start Lou. I don't like the idea because it could disrupt the second unit but we need something other than Collins out there. And if that doesn't work I'd trot Dudley out there as center. But I'm not cleaning up the mess when BC867's head explodes.

Steve

 

[mojorizen7]

Those choices are sad. Almost as sad as Joe Kleine or Danny Schayes.

I'd take 10 minutes/gm of Big Joe in this series....watching him lose his temper and take bad shots is a small price to pay for a 7 footer. Right?

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[Mulli]

I'd take 10 minutes/gm of Big Joe in this series....watching him lose his temper and take bad shots is a small price to pay for a 7 footer. Right?

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I agree.

 

[95pro]

we just cant let collins stay out there for even 5mins time.

that just means amare will get doubled for 5min at the start of the game.
we need amare to get off to a good start for this 2nd game.
if they double amare at the start of the game, nash will over dribble much like he did in game 1. that got us off to a bad start.

collins is non-athletic compared to the blazer he'll have to guard.
it would be a little different if he had to body up on the 40yr old rookie.
either lou or frye is the right guy to start.

maybe frye, since barbosa is back into the rotation.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

we just cant let collins stay out there for even 5mins time.

that just means amare will get doubled for 5min at the start of the game.
we need amare to get off to a good start for this 2nd game.
if they double amare at the start of the game, nash will over dribble much like he did in game 1. that got us off to a bad start.

collins is non-athletic compared to the blazer he'll have to guard.
it would be a little different if he had to body up on the 40yr old rookie.
either lou or frye is the right guy to start.

maybe frye, since barbosa is back into the rotation.

Amare doesn't have to be the focus with Collins in there. Richardson could be for a few minutes. Nash can still run the offense and score when needed.

 

[Bert]

I'd take 10 minutes/gm of Big Joe in this series....watching him lose his temper and take bad shots is a small price to pay for a 7 footer. Right?

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Cmon man, nobody could take a Karl Malone elbow to the grill like big JK!

I would start Channing. Collins was non existant on Sunday. Atleast Frye can score in between playing horrible defense.

 

[95pro]

Amare doesn't have to be the focus with Collins in there. Richardson could be for a few minutes. Nash can still run the offense and score when needed.

do you see nash normally score in the 1st qtr? he likes to get his teammates going, that's what he does.
i dont know if you saw jrich the way i did, but he didnt show up in game1.


if collins and amare are in there together, and we dont focus on amare for offense, then whats the point of having either of them in the game together. you expect both to just play D for the start of the game and no offense? then its the blazers going 5on3 on offense. in game 1, it was blazers going 5on4 on offense. we saw how that game started for us - bad.

 

[Bert]

do you see nash normally score in the 1st qtr? he likes to get his teammates going, that's what he does.
i dont know if you saw jrich the way i did, but he didnt show up in game1.


if collins and amare are in there together, and we dont focus on amare for offense, then whats the point of having either of them in the game together. you expect both to just play D for the start of the game and no offense? then its the blazers going 5on3 on offense. in game 1, it was blazers going 5on4 on offense. we saw how that game started for us - bad.

I thought Jrich showed up, but he couldn't buy a bucket. Even when he was wide open.

I agree with you about Collins. When he's in there and they collapse on Amare, just give it to Collins. He was standing alone under the basket most of the game and as soon as Amare gets the ball, Portland acts like Collins doesn't exist. Then again, that's what was driving me nuts about Collins because when they would double/triple team Amare, Collins just became a spectator. The guy wasn't even getting in good position for offensive rebounds. Hopefully Collins just had a bad game because when he's in there he needs to be far more agressive on offense.

Amare might need to have 8 or 9 assists in this game but if we punish the Blazers for focusing on Amare, we'll be ok IMO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

do you see nash normally score in the 1st qtr? he likes to get his teammates going, that's what he does.
i dont know if you saw jrich the way i did, but he didnt show up in game1.

Just because he doesn't do it regularly, doesn't mean that he can't. In fact, I'd rather the best shooter in the game look for his shot more often in order to control the shot selection and flow/tempo of the game.

JRich, Amare, and Grant Hill didn't show up in Game 1 either, let's write them off too....

 

[TucsonDevil]

...what was driving me nuts about Collins because when they would double/triple team Amare, Collins just became a spectator. The guy wasn't even getting in good position for offensive rebounds.

I would start Collins. He can't get any worse, and I believe the Suns staff had a 'private' conversation with him involving pliers yesterday. I think he will be much more motivated.

Collins doesn't stay out there too long, so starting isn't a big deal. He just needs to find his inner Dennis Rodman and box out for rebounds - forget scoring. He has 6 fouls to give - I hope each of them leaves large bruises and even welts on the opposing players. He is a scrub, so play like it.

 

[Bert]

I would start Collins. He can't get any worse, and I believe the Suns staff had a 'private' conversation with him involving pliers yesterday. I think he will be much more motivated.

Collins doesn't stay out there too long, so starting isn't a big deal. He just needs to find his inner Dennis Rodman and box out for rebounds - forget scoring. He has 6 fouls to give - I hope each of them leaves large bruises and even welts on the opposing players. He is a scrub, so play like it.

Well said.

 

[AfroSuns]

I understand Collins doesn't really stay in for that long but it is how the team starts.
A good start right off the bat will help the teams confidence, which will help tremendously with their shots. I sure hope he comes out to "play", height aside, Collins is probably the biggest guy on the court and he needs to put it to good use.

 

[95pro]

I understand Collins doesn't really stay in for that long but it is how the team starts.
A good start right off the bat will help the teams confidence, which will help tremendously with their shots. I sure hope he comes out to "play", height aside, Collins is probably the biggest guy on the court and he needs to put it to good use.

exactly. we all saw the negative effects collins had on the rest of the team at start of game and the 2nd half.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I understand Collins doesn't really stay in for that long but it is how the team starts.
A good start right off the bat will help the teams confidence, which will help tremendously with their shots. I sure hope he comes out to "play", height aside, Collins is probably the biggest guy on the court and he needs to put it to good use.

exactly. we all saw the negative effects collins had on the rest of the team at start of game and the 2nd half.

Again, which is why you don't force the ball into Amare early in the game. Once Amare gets the ball, Aldridge/Camby leaves Jarron to double Amare. They will HAVE to stay honest when Nash has the ball, because even Jarron will make a layup if the double Amare without the ball.

 

[TucsonDevil]

If this team hasn't learned that each and every game has 48 min... then, they don't have business playing in May. The only critical minutes of the 48 are those that are preceded by a '4'... the rest are interchangeable. Keep it close and close it for keeps, the Spurs did that for years against the Suns.

 

[elindholm]

Again, which is why you don't force the ball into Amare early in the game.

Yes, it mainly comes down to the Suns reacting to what the defense gives them, rather than trying to dictate who is going to score on which play. All during the Nash era, the Suns have been more effective when no one knows where the shot is coming from. As soon as they make it their mission to "go to" someone, they forfeit one of their big advantages. That's okay when Stoudemire can overpower a bunch of runts, but it won't work here.

 

[95pro]

Just because he doesn't do it regularly, doesn't mean that he can't. In fact, I'd rather the best shooter in the game look for his shot more often in order to control the shot selection and flow/tempo of the game.

JRich, Amare, and Grant Hill didn't show up in Game 1 either, let's write them off too....

Again, which is why you don't force the ball into Amare early in the game. Once Amare gets the ball, Aldridge/Camby leaves Jarron to double Amare. They will HAVE to stay honest when Nash has the ball, because even Jarron will make a layup if the double Amare without the ball.

so you want nash to over drible and get his shot going? and try to get collins involved as well?
well thats exactly what happened game 1. nash scored the most points on the suns. collins had 0 points, he really didnt try to get open for his own shot. only 1 attempt in game 1 he had.
and guess what, they did double amare when collins was in. collins allows them to go 5 on 4 when we're on offense.
do you really expect a different collins in game 2?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

so you want nash to over drible and get his shot going? and try to get collins involved as well?
well thats exactly what happened game 1. nash scored the most points on the suns. collins had 0 points, he really didnt try to get open for his own shot. only 1 attempt in game 1 he had.
and guess what, they did double amare when collins was in. collins allows them to go 5 on 4 when we're on offense.
do you really expect a different collins in game 2?

I didn't say I wanted him to get Collins involded. Where did you get that from? I said that if Collin's man left him to double team Amare that Collins would be there to clean up. I don't want him to create offense for himself. No one should.

Yes, I want Nash to decide where the ball needs to go, not give the ball to Amare pre-determined.

 

[elindholm]

do you really expect a different collins in game 2?

No, but if they don't get a different Hill, Richardson, or Dudley, they're screwed no matter what.