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And yes anyone who thinks he wasn't drafted to return punts is fooling themselves. That is precisely why he was drafted, which is why he has been out with the first team punt return all camp.

They tried to find the next Breaston and so far have failed. Seriously even the beat writers are clowning the guy. He is AWFUL
 

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Most wrs take 2 to 3 years to develop as it is quite a change from college to the NFL. Roberts will be fine.

No, you have it or you don't. Do you remember Boldin's fist game or that of Randy Moss? You don't invest in developing WR's, you invest in developing QBs.

Honestly, I was suprised he could execute a fair catch, that is how awful he is..

Chris, as horrible a statement that sounds, I just have to agree.

Edit, as an aside, Breaston has not looked fantastic so far as a pure WR. I would not be surprised at all if he resumes punt return duties.
 
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No, you have it or you don't. Do you remember Boldin's fist game or that of Randy Moss? You don't invest in developing WR's, you invest in developing QBs.



Chris, as horrible a statement that sounds, I just have to agree.

Edit, as an aside, Breaston has not looked fantastic so far as a pure WR. I would not be surprised at all if he resumes punt return duties.

I agree. I have always believed that the reason most WRs don't have big numbers their first season is that normally they come into a situation where there is already a #1 and so aren't a focus of the offense rather than needing time to develop.
 

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No, you have it or you don't. Do you remember Boldin's fist game or that of Randy Moss? You don't invest in developing WR's, you invest in developing QBs.

Talking about using the complete extremes to make your point. A point that isnt even close to right.

It took Breaston a year. It took Welker a year or two. Heck Fitz even had a ton of growing pains his first year. Miles Austin, Sidney Rice, Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith (giants), Vincent Jackson, Hines Ward - Those are just the top 10 in receiving yards players from last year who all didn't exactly light the world on fire their rookie years, heck most didn't do much of anything until year 3.

WR is without a doubt one of those positions that takes some time to get acclimated to, of course you will have your exceptions but they are not the rule.
 

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They tried to find the next Breaston and so far have failed. Seriously even the beat writers are clowning the guy. He is AWFUL

Not even Breaston was Breaston until year two of his career. Lets not pretend we all had the warm and fuzzies for Breaston his first season.
 

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Not even Breaston was Breaston until year two of his career. Lets not pretend we all had the warm and fuzzies for Breaston his first season.

Great point. Same with Early Doucet who looked like an entirely different player down the stretch last year.
 

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Great point. Same with Early Doucet who looked like an entirely different player down the stretch last year.

That is not to say this kid will ever get it, he might not. Just debating the overall point that WR's either have it or not.
 

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And yes anyone who thinks he wasn't drafted to return punts is fooling themselves. That is precisely why he was drafted, which is why he has been out with the first team punt return all camp.

They tried to find the next Breaston and so far have failed. Seriously even the beat writers are clowning the guy. He is AWFUL

:biglaugh:

This is easily the most ignorant post I have read in quite a while.
 

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The Channel 15 announcers.

Couldn't agree more. At some points they sounded like they were hired simply to be cheer leaders for the front office. There also were too many distractions. The color announcer wasn't too bad but the play by play person was horrible. I was trying to get my radio going so I could get the game there until it dawned on me that I had recorded the game. Now if I could figure out a way to record both TV and radio and sync them, I'll be in great shape.
 
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The color announcer wasn't too bad but the play by play person was horrible. I was trying to get my radio going so I could get the game there until it dawned on me that I had recorded the game.
:lmao: I could see myself doing the same thing...
 

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Not even Breaston was Breaston until year two of his career. Lets not pretend we all had the warm and fuzzies for Breaston his first season.

I remember as a rookie someone said that Breaston had a chance to be a good WR and I blasted him. did you see him in college, can't catch the ball, too skinny, he was drafted to return kicks.

So far it's the exact opposite, he hasn't been as good returning kicks as expected, and he's developed into a starting WR who has reliable hands.

So I won't give up on Roberts yet, lots of rookie WR's get nervous and have the drops. Hell the best WR to ever play the game dropped a lot of balls in his rookie camp and preseason, not that I expect Roberts to come close to Jerry Rice, but it happens to a lot of rookies.
 

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I don't understand where people get the idea that Roberts was drafted only to return punts. The kid was drafted as a receiver, who could also return punts.

Because the primary reason he was drafted in the third round was his abilities as a punt returner, and because we don't have a punt returner on the roster right now. This is as ludicrous as if I tried to say that Daryl Washington wasn't drafted to replace Karlos Dansby.

Down the line (like in a year or two), I'm sure the Cards are hoping that Roberts can develop into a solid slot WR so that Breaston can leave as a free agent, but there's little doubt that the Cards went with Roberts so early in the draft because they hoped him to have an impact on returns.

And yes anyone who thinks he wasn't drafted to return punts is fooling themselves. That is precisely why he was drafted, which is why he has been out with the first team punt return all camp.

They tried to find the next Breaston and so far have failed. Seriously even the beat writers are clowning the guy. He is AWFUL

Meh. Too early to tell. It's not like the return unit was giving Roberts a ton of room to make moves, either. Houston punted maybe one time in the entire first half? Four times in the whole game?

I haven't seen him in camp, but I'm not ready to close the casket on this guy.

I remember as a rookie someone said that Breaston had a chance to be a good WR and I blasted him. did you see him in college, can't catch the ball, too skinny, he was drafted to return kicks.

So far it's the exact opposite, he hasn't been as good returning kicks as expected, and he's developed into a starting WR who has reliable hands.

So I won't give up on Roberts yet, lots of rookie WR's get nervous and have the drops. Hell the best WR to ever play the game dropped a lot of balls in his rookie camp and preseason, not that I expect Roberts to come close to Jerry Rice, but it happens to a lot of rookies.

Breaston was a solid PR his rookie year. 2 returns over 40 yards, 9.4 yard average. Considering that our coverage teams have been below-average his entire time here, I'm not going to sweat it too much. Was Breaston dynamic? Not really, but he was good enough.

I think that Breaston lost some of his passion for the return game once he established himself as a WR and didn't focus on that part of his game enough. I think that was part of the motivation in drafting LSH last year, and the Cards were trying HARD last season to find any answer besides Steve Breaston for the punt return job in camp last year.

I'm agnostic on the future of Andre Roberts, but if he doesn't establish himself as a dependable special teams player, then it's going to be a disappointment. Anyone who says that it's no big deal if Andre Roberts doesn't seize the punt return job is revising history. Just to take you back in the way-back machine from four months ago:

There are clearly some of you out there less than thrilled about the Roberts pick. Know this — the Cards have been looking for a punt returning alternative for Steve Breaston for a while. Not because Breaston isn’t good, but because he has become that valuable as a receiver. Before Roberts, there wasn’t anyone on the roster that was a true candidate. The Cards also needed speed at receiver. Roberts has some of that as a former track guy. They needed a slot guy. Roberts does that. They needed another candidate as fourth receiver, since the leading in-house candidates were unknown quantities in Ed Gant and Onrea Jones.

Plus, Whisenhunt likes the idea of a guy from the Citadel. Don’t get him wrong. Roberts is here because of what he does on the field. But add that to surviving and thriving at a military school, well, Whiz likes that. His father attended the school and he knows what it is about (Whiz took a visit there before going to Georgia Tech).

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/04/23/after-the-second-day/

The Cardinals went with a receiver in the third round, taking Andre Roberts of the Citadel. He’s 5-foot-11 but he ran a 4.46 40. He can return punts, averaging 15.5 yards a return this past season, which is a big deal since Steve Breaston will likely lose that role as he moves up to the No. 2 wideout. He also is a two-time team captain.

“I believe I am explosive, quick and elusive (on punt returns),” Roberts said, adding he has returned punts since his freshman year of high school. “I feel like I have gotten it down. … I do believe I have sure hands.”

He averaged 19 yards a return as a junior.

Roberts realizes it was the Senior Bowl and combine that jumped his stock. The Cards are looking for a No. 4 receiver after losing Anquan Boldin and Jerheme Urban this offseason.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/04/23/cards-take-wr-roberts-in-the-third/

EDIT: The person who I thought had a bad game was the girl who was wearing the Ravens Anquan Boldin jersey in section 123. Really? This was the time when you decided to break out the black-and-purple?

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/...mlinson-The-LaDanian-Tomlinson-Electric-Glide
 
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situationally: I thought there was really only one "true" opportunity for Roberts to return a punt,and that wasn't until the second half.

I believe the Texans first three punts all came from at least their own 40 yard line-- so for those, it was Robert fair catching a punt with three coverage guys standing within 3 yards of him.

The last punt came from the Texans 20-- but it was pretty short and high (per the box, 37 yards). Another fair catch.

On the punt returner thing: it can only be graded as an incomplete.
 

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I wasnt too thrilled with our defense, especially 1st and 2nd string.

At this point the defense is supposed to be far ahead of the offense, like the texans against our offense in the first half. Yet we got NO pass rush and gave up huge holes in the running lanes.
 

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Roberts clearly had a up and down game. He was very inconsistant with way too many drops. He did have a clutch catch on 4th down to keep a drive alive for the go ahead TD.

Remember this kid is extremely raw and is a work in progress. The Cardinals know this. Not every rookie will come in and light things up right away. I doubt that the Cards would give up on him if he shows improvement over the next couple of weeks.

Give the kid some time. Watching him play during senior bowl week he really showed his upside. I think right now he is really overwhelmed with the transition from the Citidel to the NFL.

As for the punt returns, he gets a pass from me for now seeing as he didn't drop any.
 
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Roberts clearly had a up and down game. He was very inconsistant with way too many drops. He did have a clutch catch on 4th down to keep a drive alive for the go ahead TD.

Remember this kid is extremely raw and is a work in progress. The Cardinals know this. Not every rookie will come in and light things up right away. I doubt that the Cards would give up on him if he shows improvement over the next couple of weeks.

Give the kid some time. Watching him play during senior bowl week he really showed his upside. I think right now he is really overwhelmed with the transition from the Citidel to the NFL.

As for the punt returns, he gets a pass from me for now seeing as he didn't drop any.

Here is the problem I have with that argument.

1. In Training Camp, he could not consistently catch Ben Grahams punts. I would say about 50% on day 2-4 were just dropped. In the game, he only fair caught.

2. S. Williams went to Toledo, Max Komar went to Idaho. They are both so far performing better than him, have no problem transitioning to the NFL and went to small schools as well. And they were both undrafted while Roberts was a #3.
 

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Here is the problem I have with that argument.

1. In Training Camp, he could not consistently catch Ben Grahams punts. I would say about 50% on day 2-4 were just dropped. In the game, he only fair caught.

2. S. Williams went to Toledo, Max Komar went to Idaho. They are both so far performing better than him, have no problem transitioning to the NFL and went to small schools as well. And they were both undrafted while Roberts was a #3.

Everyone reacts to different situations in different ways. We've all seen players come in and make a spalsh for a week or 2 only to be cut and never heard from. He hasn't had a good camp so far but I'm not ready to give up yet. I think were going to see him steadily grow into a solid player
 
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I'll throw out a new one. The freaking PA announcer at the game who insists on calling him, 'Pongo Tongafau.' Can't you read the jersey and/or depth chart and see his name is Pago Togafau? No 'N' in either name.
 

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I'll throw out a new one. The freaking PA announcer at the game who insists on calling him, 'Pongo Tongafau.' Can't you read the jersey and/or depth chart and see his name is Pago Togafau? No 'N' in either name.

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was going crazy when I heard the announcer say his name.
 

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And another WTF were you thinking to the defensive coordinator covering Andre Johnson one-on-one with Trumaine McBride.
 

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And another WTF were you thinking to the defensive coordinator covering Andre Johnson one-on-one with Trumaine McBride.
Yeah...we don't want to see how our possible starting CB is going to hold up against the other teams best receiver. :sarcasm:
 

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Yeah...we don't want to see how our possible starting CB is going to hold up against the other teams best receiver. :sarcasm:

I hope this is true sarcasm. McBride isn't starter quality. He isn't good enough to go against arguably the best receiver in the league. I trust no one in the league outside of Revis and DRC against him. Hell, there should still be help over top, even with DRC covering. He's that good.

If the Cards want to cover a player like that single coverage, we are in BIG trouble.
 

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I hope this is true sarcasm. McBride isn't starter quality. He isn't good enough to go against arguably the best receiver in the league. I trust no one in the league outside of Revis and DRC against him. Hell, there should still be help over top, even with DRC covering. He's that good.

If the Cards want to cover a player like that single coverage, we are in BIG trouble.
First, right now, he is the starter. Look at the depth chart.

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/depth-chart.html

Second, I don't know if you've noticed but our coaches call a very vanilla game in the preseason. You didn't like the call? So what? The coaches had an opportunity to analyze a player who figures to be important to this team on game day. It's a preseason game and Whiz doesn't really care about whether he gets the W IMO.
 

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I hope this is true sarcasm. McBride isn't starter quality. He isn't good enough to go against arguably the best receiver in the league. I trust no one in the league outside of Revis and DRC against him. Hell, there should still be help over top, even with DRC covering. He's that good.

If the Cards want to cover a player like that single coverage, we are in BIG trouble.


I think it was Justin Miller who got beat by Johnson. This is why we rarley win pre season games. Whiz isn't too concerned about the score. He wants to see how players react in different situations. Better to find out now when it doesn't count.
 

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