Who had a bad game thread

[dreamcastrocks]

First, right now, he is the starter. Look at the depth chart.

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/depth-chart.html

Second, I don't know if you've noticed but our coaches call a very vanilla game in the preseason. You didn't like the call? So what? The coaches had an opportunity to analyze a player who figures to be important to this team on game day. It's a preseason game and Whiz doesn't really care about whether he gets the W IMO.

Yeah, I know the depth chart. I also know about vanilla plays. I mentioned it in my post. I still think it was a horrible call. Putting players in a position to succeed is just as important as the players. Why not put Dan Williams out there to see if he can do it?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think it was Justin Miller who got beat by Johnson. This is why we rarley win pre season games. Whiz isn't too concerned about the score. He wants to see how players react in different situations. Better to find out now when it doesn't count.

I'm not concerned about the score. I'm concerned about the schemes. We saw it way too many times last year when the games counted to chalk it up to just 'vanilla schemes and base coverages.'

 

[82CardsGrad]

I think it was Justin Miller who got beat by Johnson. This is why we rarley win pre season games. Whiz isn't too concerned about the score. He wants to see how players react in different situations. Better to find out now when it doesn't count.

It was Miller...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think it was Justin Miller who got beat by Johnson. This is why we rarley win pre season games. Whiz isn't too concerned about the score. He wants to see how players react in different situations. Better to find out now when it doesn't count.

You're right. It was Justin Miller. Proves my point even more.

 

[daves]

I'll throw out a new one. The freaking PA announcer at the game who insists on calling him, 'Pongo Tongafau.' Can't you read the jersey and/or depth chart and see his name is Pago Togafau? No 'N' in either name.

Better get used to it, because that's the correct pronunciation of his name.

...dave

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Better get used to it, because that's the correct pronunciation of his name.

...dave

Togafau pronounced ToNgafau?

Want to explain that one to me?

That seems grammatically impossible.

 

[earthsci]

Togafau pronounced ToNgafau?

Want to explain that one to me?

That seems grammatically impossible.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0816cardsprofile0817box.html
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/nfl-pronunciation-guide-hardest-names/26543
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/gameday/depth_chart_080508.pdf

 

[dreamcastrocks]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/0816cardsprofile0817box.html
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/nfl-pronunciation-guide-hardest-names/26543
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/gameday/depth_chart_080508.pdf

Interesting. How can there be an unwritten 'N' pronounced? Off to research....

 

[Longcolts]

Interesting. How can there be an unwritten 'N' pronounced? Off to research....

Think of it this way, how can it be pronounced Farve, when it's spelled Favre?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Think of it this way, how can it be pronounced Farve, when it's spelled Favre?

Having silent consonants is much different than pronouncing new ones that don't produce sounds that sound similar to others...

It's fascinating.

 

[Longcolts]

I agree, but if you watch golf, or are at least familiar with it there is a player name Villegas (Vee-yay-gas) and according to him it's pronounced Vee-jay-gas. Where does the extra letter come from?

 

[joeshmo]

Apparently there was a lot more bad then we realized.

Did anyone here Wiz presser after practice from yesterday. Dude went off and didnt leave anyone off his crap list. He called the offense from top to bottom a joke. WR's, TE's, FB's, RB's all of them kept lining up in the wrong spots, plays they had run 25 times prior and they still lined up wrong. OL guys from top to bottom were blocking the wrong assignments. RB's were running to the wrong holes. Didnt want to excuse the QB's for all of the other 10 players mistakes because as he put it thats why they are the leader of the O and why they get the kudos or the goat for the O doing well or not, good QB's play good despite the other 10 guys messing up. Said the unathletic Kurt was always getting stepped on stumbling to a hand off and still got the ball there so the more athletic Matt should have as well, getting stepped on wasn't a valid excuse. There was a lot more. But coach straight up calling the O a JOKE perked up my ears and his tone as well, dude was not happy at all. I think he went off on the team. I think the first practice back wasnt open to the public in fact.

A veteran player told Doug from the Doug and Wolf show that when they watched film of the game, in his many years with this team he has never seen so many mistakes, ever.

You better believe coach is working the guys this week and will be watching closer then ever this Monday. If he see's the same mistakes we might see some roster changes.

 

[Duckjake]

Here is the link to Somers article:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/93957

I'm not surprised that there were a bunch of mistakes. Like I posted in the 2009 pre season thread there are as many as 14 players in different positions.

Either new to them or moving up the depth chart.

In watching the replay last night there were several individual players who did well and gave us reason to be excited, Washington, Williams, Green et al. But as a team the Cardinals were terrible.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Think of it this way, how can it be pronounced Farve, when it's spelled Favre?

... because it too is mispronounced, as are most French names.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I agree, but if you watch golf, or are at least familiar with it there is a player name Villegas (Vee-yay-gas) and according to him it's pronounced Vee-jay-gas. Where does the extra letter come from?

In some dialects of Spanish, the double L is pronounced as a soft J. The most common of words 'Yo' is also pronounced this way, almost like 'Joe'.

You can't really blame the media too much. They speak English and different language nuances don't come easy to the tongue. My pet peeve about it is my own name in Spanish....Esteban. Most people pronounce it EsteBAN with the accent on the final syllable. It's EsTEban, accent on the penultimate syllable.

While I'm on it, it just kills me that announcers mispronounce the Yankee 2nd baseman as CanO instead of CAno. I know several people with that surname and it kills them too.... off topic I know, but someone asked

 

[Crazy Canuck]

In some dialects of Spanish, the double L is pronounced as a soft J. The most common of words 'Yo' is also pronounced this way, almost like 'Joe'.

You can't really blame the media too much. They speak English and different language nuances don't come easy to the tongue. My pet peeve about it is my own name in Spanish....Esteban. Most people pronounce it EsteBAN with the accent on the final syllable. It's EsTEban, accent on the penultimate syllable.

While I'm on it, it just kills me that announcers mispronounce the Yankee 2nd baseman as CanO instead of CAno. I know several people with that surname and it kills them too.... off topic I know, but someone asked

The American English dialect emphasizes vowels: I - raq - I - ran.

 

[kerouac9]

Apparently there was a lot more bad then we realized.

Did anyone here Wiz presser after practice from yesterday. Dude went off and didnt leave anyone off his crap list. He called the offense from top to bottom a joke. WR's, TE's, FB's, RB's all of them kept lining up in the wrong spots, plays they had run 25 times prior and they still lined up wrong. OL guys from top to bottom were blocking the wrong assignments. RB's were running to the wrong holes. Didnt want to excuse the QB's for all of the other 10 players mistakes because as he put it thats why they are the leader of the O and why they get the kudos or the goat for the O doing well or not, good QB's play good despite the other 10 guys messing up. Said the unathletic Kurt was always getting stepped on stumbling to a hand off and still got the ball there so the more athletic Matt should have as well, getting stepped on wasn't a valid excuse. There was a lot more. But coach straight up calling the O a JOKE perked up my ears and his tone as well, dude was not happy at all. I think he went off on the team. I think the first practice back wasnt open to the public in fact.

A veteran player told Doug from the Doug and Wolf show that when they watched film of the game, in his many years with this team he has never seen so many mistakes, ever.

You better believe coach is working the guys this week and will be watching closer then ever this Monday. If he see's the same mistakes we might see some roster changes.

Well, I think they're doing movie day on Thursday morning, so it won't be all work.

I remember thinking it was pretty bad when Derrick Anderson tried to send someone in motion (Andre Roberts?) and he didn't see the signal. Anderson tried to send him twice, then called the play.

I don't think it mattered, because it was an 8-yard run regardless, but, man...

 

[Longcolts]

In some dialects of Spanish, the double L is pronounced as a soft J. The most common of words 'Yo' is also pronounced this way, almost like 'Joe'.

You can't really blame the media too much. They speak English and different language nuances don't come easy to the tongue. My pet peeve about it is my own name in Spanish....Esteban. Most people pronounce it EsteBAN with the accent on the final syllable. It's EsTEban, accent on the penultimate syllable.

While I'm on it, it just kills me that announcers mispronounce the Yankee 2nd baseman as CanO instead of CAno. I know several people with that surname and it kills them too.... off topic I know, but someone asked

Thank you for the explanation. I've often wondered.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The American English dialect emphasizes vowels: I - raq - I - ran.

Sometimes. And sometimes the American English dialect de-emphasizes vowels (the rhotacized vowel, the reduced vowel).

Steve

 

[CardLogic]

My pet peeve about it is my own name in Spanish....Esteban. Most people pronounce it EsteBAN with the accent on the final syllable. It's EsTEban, accent on the penultimate syllable.

Blame it on that guy who sells cheap guitars on late night infomercials...

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[daves]

Interesting. How can there be an unwritten 'N' pronounced? Off to research....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_language

Basically, the Samoan language doesn't have a native "g" sound, so the Western letter "g" is used to represent the "ng" sound in Samoan.

Interesting stuff, but a little OT i guess.

...dave

 

[MrYeahBut]

Blame it on that guy who sells cheap guitars on late night infomercials...

So you're the one dude that watches that show and keeps it on the air. How many times have you called to order one???

 

[BigRedRage]

Because it's the truth? I've been here long enough to know that you are one of those posters who are sipping the Kool Aid 24/7. You said Matt Lainart had a good game for God's sake.

As a football fan, here were the things Leinart did wrong yesterday:

-stared down the receivers too much
-bad pocket awareness (he stepped up when there was no pocket at all)
-tripped over himself to cause the fumble
-Fitz got in injured because he didn't look off the safety
etc...

so as "a football fan" you cant tell when a center steps on the QBs foot and makes him fall?

 

[CardLogic]

So you're the one dude that watches that show and keeps it on the air. How many times have you called to order one???

Lol. My father told me that I would watch sh** if it rolled off the top of the TV!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samoan_language

Basically, the Samoan language doesn't have a native "g" sound, so the Western letter "g" is used to represent the "ng" sound in Samoan.

Interesting stuff, but a little OT i guess.

...dave

Thanks for this. It definitely is interesting. I'll still cringe when I hear the name different than what is phonetically on the jersey, but I'll understand why.