Any thoughts on what the Suns are thinking?
Probably that they'll either draft a perimeter player or an interior player.
I could get on board with picking Fab Melo, preferably not at 13 though.
Any thoughts on what the Suns are thinking?
The Suns have closed workouts to the media so not much is coming out about potential draftees. Some of them the Suns might draft if they get another first or second round pick. Some others appear to be the FA type.
Anyway from Paul Coro's article at azcentral dated 6-12-12, here are some of the players that are in the Suns first workout group. See link below.
Fab Melo, (Syracuse) 7' center
Andrew Nicholson, (St. Bonaventure) 6'10" power forward
Alex Young (Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis) 6-6 shooting guard
Zack Rosen (Penn) 6-1 PG,
Chris Johnson (Dayton) 6-6 shooting guard
Ashton Gibbs (Pittsburgh) 6-3 point guard
Any thoughts on what the Suns are thinking?
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...-men-get-look-phoenix-suns-draft-workout.html
Not excited about any of those names
Probably that they'll either draft a perimeter player or an interior player.
I could get on board with picking Fab Melo, preferably not at 13 though.
None of those guys will be picked at #13.
I think Phoenix is trying to acquire another late 1st rd pick.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft
13. Austin Rivers 6'5 SG (DX #15)
19. Kendall Marshall 6'4 PG (DX #11)
21. Perry Jones III 6'11 SF/PF (DX #17)
24. Royce White 6'8 PF/SF (DX#23)
26. Fab Melo 7' C (DX#21)
30. Quincy Miller 6'10 SF (DX#22)
32. Tony Wroten 6'6 PG/SG (DX#30)
36. Evan Fournier 6'6 SG (DX#28)
42. Darius Miller 6'7 SF (DX#35)
49. Tyshawn Taylor 6'3 PG (DX#31)
50. Thomas Satoransky 6'8 PG (DX#49)
60. Scott Machado 6'2 PG (DX#51)
those are some good value picks
Wroten at 32 is a Gilbert Arenas like steal. He has all the physical tools, was the #1 rated player in his class before injury. Attitude should improve in pros and then he is missing a jumpshot. If he can develop that..
Not sure why Wroten should fall so low. If he does not develop a jumper he is Tyreke Evans basically. He does not even need to be a PG. He is 6'6.
As you say, Wroten would be a steal this late.
He is also one of the youngest players in the draft.
And I wouldn't put too much into the "he plays like he doesnt care about team success" attitude. He is not playing at pro level and he is very young he can learn that.
At #32 he is a major steal. He has all the skills of Tyreke Evans and the same flaws apparently (attitude and jumpshot ).
But he is much quicker than Evans and better raw PG skills which still need major work though but at 6'6 he can play SG and for that his ballhandling and passing is very good already.
He is also one of the youngest players in the draft.
And I wouldn't put too much into the "he plays like he doesnt care about team success" attitude. He is not playing at pro level and he is very young he can learn that.
At #32 he is a major steal. He has all the skills of Tyreke Evans and the same flaws apparently (attitude and jumpshot ).
But he is much quicker than Evans and better raw PG skills which still need major work though but at 6'6 he can play SG and for that his ballhandling and passing is very good already.
Kobe Bryant is on top of the list.
Thanks to Russ Smith, Elindholm, and AzSteven for their counters to my suggestion. I definitely should have said 'contest the shot' every time instead of 'making a play on the ball' some of the time - as that can be interpreted as swiping at the ball in every situation.
I agree that defense is best played by moving ones feet and denying position, especially by the primary defender, but the situation under discussion rarely involves the primary defender. Typically, the primary defender has already been eluded and another player is attempting to help at the last second. But if the primary defender has been back pedaling and then stops, the same rule would apply.
Of course, I am talking about the defender moving his feet to get in front of the player and the question is whether or not he was in position in time. Now swiping at the ball is often not good defense but not one of you said that contesting shots is not good defense. Yes, just being in front of shooter is sometimes enough to make him miss but I contend that contesting the shot is better defense.
The only time contesting a shot or not plays a role is when there is a question about the defender committing a blocking foul - it he contests the shot then he did not commit a blocking foul though he may well have committed a different type of foul. If he doesn't contest the shot and there was a collision then he can be called for a block - giving the refs the leeway to not call the foul if the defender was pushed by an opponent or wasn't even aware of the offensive player's approach.
Wow, one thing I forgot to mention that this would make it much harder for the defender to flop in these situations! Another point in its favor!
21. Perry Jones III 6'11 SF/PF (DX #17)
24. Royce White 6'8 PF/SF (DX#23)
30. Quincy Miller 6'10 SF (DX#22)
32. Tony Wroten 6'6 PG/SG (DX#30)
36. Evan Fournier 6'6 SG (DX#28)
I am good with pj3 or White. We can see if they can develop to play the sf. I think White is more intriguing than pj3. Not many players with motor problems succeed in the NBA. White's head problems are off the court and are not judgment issues.
I would love to pick up Royce White.
White is one of those unique players that others will be compared to. He can guard 3 or 4 positions. He might be one of the best passers in this draft, period. He is strong and intimidating and though a freshman was the clear leader on his team. He led the team in 5 statistical categories. If we lose Nash, we might consider going a completely different way, draft White and use him as a point forward. Put scorers at the guard spots.
He has a presence on the court that reminds me of James Harden. Its a no-nonesense, strength and confidence. White has superstar potential.
In my opinion, White will be the player everyone will have wished they had taken in this draft (outside the top few picks). We need to get a mid to late first round pick and get him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrzVBDoneZI
I keep seeing PJ III projected down around our spot and even lower and all I can say is I'll be very disappointed if we pass on him at our spot. He was inconsistent his sophomore year but his ceiling is so high I think it would be insane to pick someone over him at 13. This is a guy that has top of the lottery ability and was forced to play out of position in college. He had a lot of personal problems and handled himself pretty well through them.
He will never be a Garnett or a Duncan (players he's been compared to in the past) but you won't find a better number two player in this draft. Joe Johnson came out with the exact same knocks against him and they've pretty much been proven true but you can't pass on a chance to get a taller, more athletic version of a Joe Johnson meets Lamar Odom kind of talent. He's easily the second best prospect in this draft but his boom or bust ratio makes him too big of a risk to draft that early. I remain highly doubtful that he'll drop out of the top 10 but if he does he's the gamble we can't afford to not take.
Steve