Why Verizon Wireless is the best. Period.

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This is why you pick a network.... Not a phone. It's amazing what a few sentences of marketing can produce. Fastest... Most Powerful. More Bars in More places.

Who gives a flip when you see something like this.

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Sorry... I can see it, but this should work out better.
 

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yep, that works. I can make a map with all sorts of pretty colors, too :p And I can create random names such as "3G" that means nothing to the average consumer.

Not dogging on you, I just find the hype funny over stuff like that. Oh, boy!! 3G!!! :shrug:
 
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It is the basis for AT&T's entire marketing campaign.

1. They have the fastest 3G network. Too bad it's smaller than even Sprint.
2. The iPhone 3G is so awesome based totally on this same crappy coverage area.
3. More bars in more places is AT&T's entire claim to fame but nationally, they don't measure up.

Remember, the reason you buy a phone (from an average consumer standpoint) is to make phone calls. The reason techies buy phones is to do that and use advanced features.

Verizon has a 3 to 4 times bigger high speed coverage area. And their total phone network coverage is bigger as well.

They didn't "make a map" either. These are the 3G (high speed data) networks from their websites. This is what they all are telling you they have.
 

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Okay...so if I'm Verizon, I can make a map with a bunch of red on it.

So, is the "3G" network irrelevant to people that don't use email/internet on their phone?
 
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AT&T made that blue map. Sprint made theirs as well.

Verizon is just putting them side by side. Those maps came from everyone's websites on the 4th of August.

Most voice is still on the 2G network for AT&T. And that coverage area is still smaller than Verizon's 3G network.

Point being..... Verizon is clearly dominant. In all key metrics from coverage, to profitability, to customer base, to customer service, and shortly..... They will have a superior world coverage area as well. Even now... AT&T only has a handful more countries that VZW does. Like within 10. And those countries aren't on anyones vacation list. lol
 

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I am with Linderbee on this. Even though smart phones are becoming more popular they don't make up the majority of cell phone users. Out of all my friends, my wife and I are the only ones that have an unlimited data plan. The rest don't use the internet or web features that often or at all.

I would think that Cell Phone coverage areas is the more important coverage map. Do these maps also represent normal cell phone coverage or just the 3G coverage???
 
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Verizon Wireless Voice Coverage

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Voice... Similar sizes but VZW is still larger.

As the pendulum switches and voice and data merge (basically this happens when the Facebook Generation can pass a credit check) VZW will be even more dominant.

And also, many times over the last few months the VZW CEO Lowell McAdam has become offensive towards AT&T.

Meanwhile, McAdam took a shot at AT&T’s network upgrade as too little too late. He said that AT&T’s “ceiling for their network will be the floor for our network.” McAdam called AT&T’s announcement on its network upgrade old news—about a year old. He also noted AT&T’s promises to upgrade speed are spin.

Speaking about Verizon Wireless’ network, which will be built on LTE and 700Mhz spectrum. “No other carrier will be able to match our speeds. It’s a matter of physics. You can’t spin this,” said McAdam. In many respects, Verizon Wireless is trying to do with 4G what it did with its FiOS fiber optic service: Create a leapfrog.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=18836
 

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That's some crystal clear market dominance right there.
 

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Not in my book.

Customer service is terrible. I've had nothing but bad experiences with Verizon (especially when I tried to cancel an old plan!! omg!!)
 
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JD Power customer service ratings: Tmobile #1 VZW #2. AT&T 4th. Who was third? Alltel (Now VZW)

http://www.jdpower.com/telecom/ratings/wireless-customer-care-ratings-(volume-1)

Retail Sales: Alltel #1. VZW #2. Tmobile #3. AT&T & Sprint tied for 4th / 5th.

http://www.jdpower.com/Telecom/ratings/wireless-retail-sales-satisfaction-ratings-(volume-1)

Dude... Verizon KILLS AT&T for call quality in EVERY REGION! 1st in all but 1 region of the country!! The death star gets 2 out of 5 everywhere but one region where they get 3 out of 5.

http://www.jdpower.com/Telecom/ratings/wireless-call-quality-ratings-(volume-1)


My Point is clear. Voice (Size & Quality).... VZW. Customer service.... VZW. Retail.... VZW. Data... VZW.
 
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What, you work for Verizon?



Basic question - how is the coverage in the areas that you spend 95% of your time in?
 

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You didn't post Sprints voice coverage area.





Like I said above. I think this coverage matters more right now. Looks pretty damn good to me. I think when coverage area is so close, the phone does matter. All things being nearly equal with coverage area people will shop for the phone they like. Most consumers don't even check consumer satisfaction ratings either. They go with the phone they like provided they get good coverage.

I don't think your point stands in this case.
 
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If you look really close at the Sprint map you can see the area aound my house in arizona has zero coverage.

Ah, now it makes sense why I drop so many calls and get text msgs three hours later!!!

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You didn't post Sprints voice coverage area.





Like I said above. I think this coverage matters more right now. Looks pretty damn good to me. I think when coverage area is so close, the phone does matter. All things being nearly equal with coverage area people will shop for the phone they like. Most consumers don't even check consumer satisfaction ratings either. They go with the phone they like provided they get good coverage.

I don't think your point stands in this case.

Since you are showing all CDMA coverage in North America I will tell you that VZW and Sprint use the exact same network. Same technology, and for the most part, have almost identical device lineups.

What this map doesnt tell you is that it includes the iDen network that used to belong to Nextel. If you have a sprint phone, you do ot get all of this. iDen and CDMA are completely incompatibal. This is why they are losing customers at a 6 to 1 rate to AT&T and Verizon Wireless.

Sprint's CEO Dan Hesse on the 2nd quarter earnings statement:

“In the quarter, we saw the best retail net add performance in the past seven quarters. We also saw the best quarterly sequential change in CDMA net add performance in two years, ARPU that has been stable for six consecutive quarters, continued prepaid growth, and improved sequential Adjusted Operating Income Before Depreciation and Amortization* (Adjusted OIBDA),” Hesse said. “However, we are not satisfied that we lost a quarter of a million customers in the quarter.”
http://investors.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=127149&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1313470&highlight=

It was there best net add performance in 2 years and still they lost 250,000 customers???!!!???!!!

That might have been the funniest thing I read this year.

In short, if your service is working fine for you now, or if you are just fine with what you recieve... Then whatever I guess.

But if you want service, never had service, or need better service, VZW is the CRYSTAL clear option.

Steel Dog... Your obviously happy with your sprint service. Again, this might be due to the fact that they are just offering the cheapest price on the exact plan you want. Just remember that companies like T-Mobile and Sprint have to blind you with pricing and pretty phones to get people to sign up in the first place. That's why they exist. Sprint launches the Palm Pre before it completes full testing so they can beat VZW and get some cheap activations. T-Mobile does the same with Android. Then when issues start to mount they re-actively fix whatever the issue is and it costs them millions on the back end. But atleast whatever customers they have duped into service are now under contract. It's a huge snowball they never fix because they have to keep up.

Deanna, Sorry about your issue. Unfortunately, I have worked for many wireless companies and all have had to give that exact same news to their customers. You just had to hear it from VZW and it upset you. I get that. AT&T did it when they changed networks entirely around 2002. Then again when the original unlimited plan expired around 2005. Then again when the outdated Cingular plan structure expired in 2007. Not to mention the fact that all iPhone plans were initially sold with the data plan bundled into the price yet no one was told to tell the customer that. Not to blame AT&T... It's just that all carriers have this problem. Please try not to hate just one because that is where it happened to you at.
 
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If you look really close at the Sprint map you can see the area aound my house in arizona has zero coverage.

Ah, now it makes sense why I drop so many calls and get text msgs three hours later!!!

:confused:

Sprint's dropped call rate is roughy 6 times higher than ANY other carrier.

THAT IS INSANE!

I used to be happy with AT&T... It wasn't until I had VZW that I realized what I was missing.
 
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What, you work for Verizon?



Basic question - how is the coverage in the areas that you spend 95% of your time in?

Yes. I do.

Doesn't change the facts.

Correct basic question. And I agree with it for the most part.

Question to you is.... Why would you take a chance on something that has a worst chance of working when you need it most? Is it because you decided to be cheap? Is it because they had a pretty phone that caught your eye?

Chance favors the prepared mind. - Sun Tzu. Or.... Plan for the worst, and Hope for the best.

Honestly.... No one realizes that a cell phone might be the 2nd most important thing you have. Only those in dire situations know how important they are. And it's ironic that people play with numbers when they know that accidents only encompass 1% of their lives. Yet they don't secure themselves in the knowledge that they have done the best they can do if one of those situations do come up.

In short..... I would hate to have an issue, call 911, and not be able to get through. I bet price wouldn't matter if that had ever happened to you.
 

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Cool, maybe you can explain why my ex gf's cell phone with Verizon doesn't get service inside her house in Gilbert on Lindsey and Guadalupe yet my AT&T phone does get service.
 

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Just switched to A T & T - and no problems, yet, and traveled a bit. The only areas with no coverage were some remote areas in Wyoming that Verizon didn't cover, either. Had T-Mobile before that - some coverage issues in the 5% time.


Verizon and AT&T have attacked the coverage issue differently. Verizon choose to go broad and shallow, so even in areas that coverage is listed, you will still get dropped calls or busy signals when trying to dial, due to inadequate cell availability.

AT&T choose to go narrow and deep, so if you are in an area with coverage, there is plenty of cell availablitity.
 

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I have Verizon and have been fairly happy with them.

That said, my building at work used to be a Honeywell building, and for some reason I cannot get service in there. However, everyone who does NOT have Verizon, gets service in there, unless I step outside. It bugs me :)
 

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We will be switching to verizon soon as my wife does not get reception in verrado

made the switch to at&t from sprint and that was the best move i ever made ..... sprint was horrible

terrible service - not to mention the fun times I would switch into a roaming area (without knowing) and get hit with extra charges when making phone calls in such exotic, far off places as downtown minneapolis

i haven't been unhappy with AT&T - they've just gotten to be a little more expensive with a little less coverage
 

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I am just fine with my Sprint coverage and don't have any problems with dead zones or dropped calls anymore then any other carrier I have used. I have Verizon service for my work phone now. I also didn't have any major problems with my AT&T service before I switched to Verizon for my work phone. I can name good experiences and bad experiences with each and every one of them. None of them over the years have every proven to be vastly superior to the other.

The facts are that most people are not gong to experience any major difference between coverage areas for standard cell phone service. That is still the number one driver in the market. All the companies know it too or they wouldn't market the type of phones they carry so much or constantly try and come up with creative cell phone plans to get you to come over. This wasn't like when Cell phones first came out and there were certain companies that had ZERO coverage in your area. Cell phone features and service plans drive the market now.

I have personally have used every major carrier between personal and work use. I have seen very little difference between them when it comes to coverage area or customer service. It's not like one carrier has ever shown me to be head and shoulders above the rest.

Therefore, making a decision based on the phone you like seems logical to me.
 
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