With Smith to KC, who takes Geno?

[desertdawg]

it's just weird to me that the Chiefs would go Matt Cassel all over again. That's kinda what I see this move as being. But who knows... Reid's west coast offense with Smith might be a really good fit. I just don't think his ceiling is high enough to go for two draft picks.

Yamon, I am not a believer in Alexis. Neither is Harbaugh, who had to coddle and gameplan all around that cat when he QB'd. He dropped him like a bad habit and then got some draft love compensation for his big brother crappy QB program.

 

[seesred]

I for one hope we take him if he is there! IMO he has a great upside!

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[Solar7]

it's just weird to me that the Chiefs would go Matt Cassel all over again. That's kinda what I see this move as being. But who knows... Reid's west coast offense with Smith might be a really good fit. I just don't think his ceiling is high enough to go for two draft picks.

I completely agree here. Alex Smith never showed anything more than Trent Dilfer levels of production. He's a "safe" guy, but will very rarely be the reason you won a game. Now, with Jamaal Charles there, he doesn't need to be that reason, but this is a lot to give up.

Additionally, this narrows that team's ability to go through a rebuild, or even a restock. That 2nd rounder is likely still a talented starter... and now you have a short window to win. Reid has to have a lot of confidence that the talent on that roster is a lot better than they showed last year.

But is an Alex Smith-led team good enough to overtake Manning's Broncos? I don't think so.

 

[WildBB]

Ditto, especially if it's for Eric Fisher.

(I could live with Warmack or one of the top pass rushers, but just barely.)

So another QB gets beheaded courtesy of Levi! (Not your choice!)

 

[Mulli]

I hate Alex Smith, but he is WAY better than Dilfer ever was.

 

[Solar7]

So another QB gets beheaded courtesy of Levi! (Not your choice!)

Cap room may be an issue, but some solid tackles are going to be hitting the market this offseason. Fisher is a good player, but the gap between talent at QB that will be available during the offseason compared to the gap in offensive line talent available is drastic.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I dont what you see that you DONT like. The kid has everything you look for in a QB.. Success at the division one level, extreme accuracy, athletic, very high TD/int ratio..etc... his measurables at the combine as well equate to phenomenal prospect.

Hasn't run a pro offense, and word on the street is he is none to bright, i.e. can't read a defense to save his life.

You never know, because these ridiculous spread offenses that are all pre-dedicated passes determined before the snap.

I think it is a mistake to draft him at #7.

But throw my weights throw the TV if we do draft him ? No. Probably not.

Why ? Cause we is there at #7, pass rusher or offensive lineman, can be had in the 2nd round.

If we draft Geno Smith, and then go on to get Menelik Watson in the 2nd, and Brandon Jenkins in the third, I really couldn't complain.

But, good thing Smith is fast, he will be running for his life.

 

[Chopper0080]

As far as the original topic, I say Oakland drafts him.

 

[Mulli]

Hasn't run a pro offense, and word on the street is he is none to bright, i.e. can't read a defense to save his life.

You never know, because these ridiculous spread offenses that are all pre-dedicated passes determined before the snap.

I think it is a mistake to draft him at #7.

But throw my weights throw the TV if we do draft him ? No. Probably not.

Why ? Cause we is there at #7, pass rusher or offensive lineman, can be had in the 2nd round.

If we draft Geno Smith, and then go on to get Menelik Watson in the 2nd, and Brandon Jenkins in the third, I really couldn't complain.

But, good thing Smith is fast, he will be running for his life.

None too bright? Where does that come from? Was Matthew Stafford bright? Is he brainy now? Same things were said about Cam newton. He has been fine. Same for others.

 

[WildBB]

Cap room may be an issue, but some solid tackles are going to be hitting the market this offseason. Fisher is a good player, but the gap between talent at QB that will be available during the offseason compared to the gap in offensive line talent available is drastic.

No they don't have the CAP $$ to throw at Albert or Long, both of whom would seek 10M per.

Not at LT in the draft either, imo. You got three decent ones then drastic fall off.

 

[WildBB]

As far as the original topic, I say Oakland drafts him.

I was thinking Oak or Philly takes their shot there.

 

[Mulli]

As far as the original topic, I say Oakland drafts him.

If you leave out geno's winning percentage, is there something else you don't like about his game? I am curious since you put more into this than I do.

 

[john h]

1. KC - Luke Joeckel

2. JAX - Gus Bradley recently supported his QB by saying Gabbert would be the #1 QB in this draft. Likely pick is a defensive player

3. OAK - Carson Palmer will reportedly restructure his contract with Pryor being their QB of the future. Likely pick a DL

4. PHI - Vick has been restructured and Foles will be given the chance to compete for the starting job. Likely guess would be OT or CB (Milliner)

5. DET - Already have a franchise QB

6. CLE - Weeden had a decent second half of the season but was reportedly on the trade block. Probably the most likely landing spot for Geno to the first 6 picks ahead of us

If he drops to #7...?

49ers agree to trade Alex Smith to Chiefs

ESPN.com "The San Francisco 49ers have agreed to trade quarterback Alex Smith to the Kansas City Chiefs, a league source confirmed to ESPN.com's John Clayton. Kansas City will trade its second-round pick in the 2013 draft -- the second selection (No. 34 overall) in the round -- as well as another..." February 27
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Jay Glazer @JayGlazer

49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith
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This gives us a good shot at Geno Smith if we chose to go QB. Do we go Geno Smith or BPA and hope to get Tyler Wilson in 2nd round? Smith is no big time scrambler when it comes to running but still can scramble better than most of the QBs available-if that is important. All the talk about the Cards and QBs seem to center around the QB on the west coast. That tells me they do not want him. If Geno Smith is there I am starting to think the Cards take him ahead of the BPA. We are to desperate for a QB and I doubt we would receive much criticism for this move. I still like Wilson in round 2 if he is there and we do not take Smith. I also think there are going to be some people who trade up ahead of the Cards for whoever. It would not be out of the question for the Cards to trade back and take Tyler Wilson. Out of these group of QBs I think 1-2 are going to be very good and will up starters in the NFL in year 1 or 2. They were bad mouthed for much of the year and writers have just jumped on the band wagon. The question is who will be the success stories? Who will be smart enough to recognize the talent? When will we be drafting this high again? I am more in the dark this year than in many years. Sure hope our decision makers are not in the dark. We really do not have a legit QB on this team for this year or for any year.

 

[Sam Wise]

KC paid a bit too much in a 2nd rounder that early and a bucket later. If they snagged a young DB, then maybe (snicker snicker). So here is the more important question, with KC obviously taking Joeckel, does this mean that Brandon Albert will not be resigned? If he is availible do we make a push for him? If he falls to #7 my pick is Warmack over Smith. Another FA tackle would be Bryant McKinnie for two years to allow development of Massey and whomever we pick in the 3rd or 4th.

 

[Shane]

Hasn't run a pro offense, and word on the street is he is none to bright, i.e. can't read a defense to save his life.

You never know, because these ridiculous spread offenses that are all pre-dedicated passes determined before the snap.

I think it is a mistake to draft him at #7.

But throw my weights throw the TV if we do draft him ? No. Probably not.

Why ? Cause we is there at #7, pass rusher or offensive lineman, can be had in the 2nd round.

If we draft Geno Smith, and then go on to get Menelik Watson in the 2nd, and Brandon Jenkins in the third, I really couldn't complain.

But, good thing Smith is fast, he will be running for his life.

None to bright? Where is that coming from? Spread QB's seem to be doing just fine in the NFL.

 

[GatorAZ]

If BA drafts him them I'll be optimistic. If Whiz drafted him I'd be really really nervous.

 

[WildBB]

None to bright? Where is that coming from? Spread QB's seem to be doing just fine in the NFL.

How do they do in a vertical passing system BA likes? Multtiple progressions from the top down.

 

[desertdawg]

If BA drafts him them I'll be optimistic. If Whiz drafted him I'd be really really nervous.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

How do they do in a vertical passing system BA likes? Multtiple progressions from the top down.

I understand that Arians said we'd be throwing it deep 4-6 times a game, but what does that have to do with a "vertical passing system he likes"? Tom Moore has already said that we will run plays based off whats best for our team. They will be doing what we're good at. That has NOTHING to do with running plays to get the ball downfield.

“Football is a game of people,” Moore said. “There are lots of systems. One of the things you want to make sure you do, and it’s what we are doing, you don’t come in with preconceived ideas. You don’t say, ‘I’m Tom Moore and this is what we’re going to do.’ It doesn’t work that way.

“You do what your players can do. Find out what they are best at, find out their strengths and take advantage of those strengths.”

And while there might not be, for instance, a Manning available at quarterback, “everybody has strengths,” Moore emphasized.

Not trying to single you out. This is something that has been said many times by people on this board.

 

[JeffGollin]

I saw an excerpt of Geno's session with Mariucci.

What you hope for in these sessions is that QB will ace the white board and the terminology. I wasn't given the impression that Geno had all of this stuff nailed. Having never coached QB's, I don't know if this means anything, but I didn't come away confident that, in terms of the mental aspect of the game, he was the next Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning.

 

[WildBB]

I understand that Arians said we'd be throwing it deep 4-6 times a game, but what does that have to do with a "vertical passing system he likes"? Tom Moore has already said that we will run plays based off whats best for our team. They will be doing what we're good at. That has NOTHING to do with running plays to get the ball downfield.


Not trying to single you out. This is something that has been said many times by people on this board.

Well for one that's 4-5 times more than we have been doing for the past few seasons, largely.

Yeah, it's good they're not tied to a system the way the previous regime was. It had to be the major sell for the FO. They do have a good group of experienced hands on board.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd rather see us trade out of the first round completely than take a QB that early. And I don't want to see us trade out of the first round. Just say no to Geno and company.

Steve

 

[Solar7]

I saw an excerpt of Geno's session with Mariucci.

What you hope for in these sessions is that QB will ace the white board and the terminology. I wasn't given the impression that Geno had all of this stuff nailed. Having never coached QB's, I don't know if this means anything, but I didn't come away confident that, in terms of the mental aspect of the game, he was the next Oliver Luck or Peyton Manning.

It's not like I've ever coached quarterbacks either, but I did get to catch that entire interview with Mariucci. He showed Geno a play, and about 7 minutes later asked him to re-write it on the board. It was my impression that he got the general concept of the play correct, but forgot a little bit of the terminology. I still felt like he had a good handle of it.

I can't wait until Gruden starts his interviews though. They're great each year.

 

[Mulli]

I saw an excerpt of Geno's session with Mariucci.

What you hope for in these sessions is that QB will ace the white board and the terminology. I wasn't given the impression that Geno had all of this stuff nailed. Having never coached QB's, I don't know if this means anything, but I didn't come away confident that, in terms of the mental aspect of the game, he was the next Oliver Luck or Peyton Manning.

Oliver Luck? Are you the best judge of sharpness of tools? . Kidding.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

None too bright? Where does that come from? Was Matthew Stafford bright? Is he brainy now? Same things were said about Cam newton. He has been fine. Same for others.

Comes from the same sources that say he has a good head on his shoulders.

Sources are sources.

Just passing the message along.