Would Phoenix have won a title with Marbury?

[Freddie]

I personally don't think so.

Marbury is a great offensive player, but he's not the type of player that makes his teammates on the court better. His style of play did not go well with our other two young stars. Who would you have rather given up?

I think Tony Parker is the type of PG this team needs. He hits the open shot, distributes the ball, and plays hard. He's not as good as Marbury, but he also doesn't command the ball as much as Marbury. It frees up our other players to play their game without having to wait for the pg to run down the shot clock and put the team in a bad situation.

No matter what we do with Marion, I hope he never becomes our permanent second scoring option. He seems to settle for the outside shot when his strength is slashing and cleaning up around the hoop. If we could get a consistent scorer to put alongside Amare this team would be scary. We had a potentially great(on paper) inside-outside combo in Amare and Steph, but I don't think it would've taken us far. I just didn't see Steph deferring his game to Amare.

What are your thoughts? Do you think we could've won the title with Marbury?

 

[NDSunsfan]

i don't think they would have won with marbury. but i know they won't win with eisley/ward/barbosa.

 

[Freddie]

Well with the cap room and some of the players we recieved, we have a chance at acquiring another player that may fit better than Marbury did.

If we weren't going to win with the team we had, what was the point in keeping it intact?

 

[NDSunsfan]

Originally posted by Freddie
Well with the cap room and some of the players we recieved, we have a chance at acquiring another player that may fit better than Marbury did.

If we weren't going to win with the team we had, what was the point in keeping it intact?

but why get rid of the best player on the team?

don't you start with a stud and build around him?

we all agree there were plenty of pieces that needed to be added to the suns, but with marbury, at least, pg wasn't one of them. now they need a pg AND everything else.

 

[slinslin]

Our best player is Amare. Just my opinion although I hate to agree with Bill Walton.

Amare makes a bigger difference on the Suns than anyone else and he will only get better. Sooner or later Marbury would have probably stood in his way.

 

[Freddie]

Because the best player on the team wasn't going to get it done.

In a few years, the consensus is that Amare is going to be the man on this team. He's going to need a supporting cast. I would rather build around Amare, than Marbury. A scoring point guard is not a good complement to Amare, especially when he needs to ball to develop. Marbury didn't get the team involved. The only time he did was when he would drive and dish, but our fast break was non-existent.

"don't you start with a stud and build around him? "

I think that's what the the organization is doing--only with another stud--the one that goes by the name of Stoudemire.

 

[msdundee]

I love Amare. If he's smart, he'll bolt when his short contract is up.

 

[slinslin]

If you are smart you would not have said that because it only shows that you don't understand how rookie contracts work out.

Marion - original Suns draft pick - still here

Amare - possibly best Suns pick ever - great attitude - he'll go nowhere

 

[NDSunsfan]

Originally posted by slinslin
Marion - original Suns draft pick - still here

and how many around here hope he's on the trading block, too?

from what i see, the message management is sending is, everyone on this team is tradeable, for nothing more than cap space. would that make you want to sign a long term deal? and even if it did, apparently it doesn't mean much.

i completely agree amare is on the verge of becoming a major stud. but he's not great, yet. he might be one day. but that remains to be seen.

i'm just sick of waiting until next year.

 

[Freddie]

I'm sick of waiting, too, but we would've been waiting for a long time if we kept the same core intact and Shaq and Kobe were still teammates.

 

[msdundee]

Ah, but I do understand. Amare is signed to a rookie contract with a team option which will obviously keep him in Phoenix til '06 .... unless they decide to trade him too, which right now does not look like an impossible scenario. At that point I have no doubt that he will have established himself as a real force and will have more options that he can count, with the best years of his career still ahead. Assuming the Colangelos continue to "rebuild" the team every two years as in the past, he would be smart to look elsewhere for a franchise with a future.

 

[slinslin]

The Suns can match any contract offer that Amare would receive.


If Amare would want to go he would have to take a high risk by not signing a maximum extentsion and play another year to explore the FA market.

It is extremely dumb for rookies and almost impossible to leave their teams after their rookie contract as long as their team wants to keep them.

 

[schutd]

Msdundee,

That aint logic talking. Its emotion.

 

[scudney]

Originally posted by slinslin
The Suns can match any contract offer that Amare would receive.


If Amare would want to go he would have to take a high risk by not signing a maximum extentsion and play another year to explore the FA market.

It is extremely dumb for rookies and almost impossible to leave their teams after their rookie contract as long as their team wants to keep them.

Plus, amare will likely get a max or close to it contract... which means only the few teams that will be under the cap will be able to try and sign him

 

[tommcnabb]

Originally posted by slinslin
Our best player is Amare. Just my opinion although I hate to agree with Bill Walton.

Amare makes a bigger difference on the Suns than anyone else and he will only get better. Sooner or later Marbury would have probably stood in his way.

Good post. I agree. I honestly believe that Steph would have, how do I put this??, not "hindered" Amare's ability, but maybe slowed it down a bit??

Amare is going to be the face of this team, much like Barkley was.

 

[msdundee]

"The Suns can match any contract offer that Amare would receive." .....That is probably right, but would they do it? Again, we're talking money. And by '06 they should be ready to rebuild again.

"If Amare would want to go he would have to take a high risk by not signing a maximum extentsion and play another year to explore the FA market." ........which he could do in '06, right?

"It is extremely dumb for rookies and almost impossible to leave their teams after their rookie contract as long as their team wants to keep them." ...... If you assume they will be determined to keep Amare, or anyone else for that matter, you have more faith in the Colangelos than I do. If they decide to go after Kobe they just might surprise us again.

This is really a rather silly discussion if you consider what can happen in a couple of years, a couple of months (or a couple of days for that matter).

 

[Freddie]

Msdundee:

How often does a team NOT resign or trade the big man of the future?

You win with bigs in this league, and I think management may finally realize this.

 

[scudney]

if you think the C's will even think about trading amare or not resign him, you are sadly mistaking

 

[SirStefan32]

I can't believe you guys are already spitting on Marbury. Why don't you go to the game and boo him.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by Freddie
Msdundee:

How often does a team NOT resign or trade the big man of the future?

You win with bigs in this league, and I think management may finally realize this.

THANK YOU! PG's dont win championships....


only PF's & Centers can carry a team to a championship. Unless of course your Jordan...

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
I can't believe you guys are already spitting on Marbury. Why don't you go to the game and boo him.

Spitting? Get over it. Te FACT is he is no longer on our tema and nothing we type say or feel will change that. Besides that, where do you get the spitting on Marbury comment from?

 

[SirStefan32]

"He dominated the ball," "He was stopping Amare's development." BS.

 

[schutd]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
"He dominated the ball," "He was stopping Amare's development." BS.

Its opinion that was floated arund BEFORE he was traded, Stefan. I know youre fired up about the trade, but dont let it make you lose perspective.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SirStefan32
"He dominated the ball," "He was stopping Amare's development." BS.

He did dominate the ball. That's almost irrefuteable.

And you have to remember, that Penny was better at getting the inside to Amare than Marbury.

I love Marbury, but he isn't the totally unselfish PG that we will need in the future.

 

[Goldfield]

I dont think Marbury is selfish, it is just his style of play that doesnt work here...