SissyBoyFloyd
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Would this guy be a wasted pick for QB in round 2 or 3?
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Snakester
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Wouldn't mind him in the third round as a RB.
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I'm very critical of QB prospects in general. But Lamar Jackson strikes me as someone who can succeed. Only concern is his body type/tiny legs. Great leader, great character. Strong arm and can push the ball downfield, even on the run. Zip is great too, touch and accuracy are good enough to play in the NFL. I don't get too much into footwork and mechanics. Obviously it's important but there are many top level QBs succeeding and prospects drafted high despite not being textbook technically. Most importantly Jackson delivers the ball where it should be on time. And obviously the stress he creates for a defense as a runner. Jackson would've been killed in a BA scheme and with multiple OL injuries. But with the right coach and right scheme, Jackson could turn out what RGIII should've been. Just needs a smart coach who teaches him how to protect himself while still making the plays he is capable of. He should be drafted in the 2nd, but knowing how the stock of QBs is only rising from now on, and Jackson testing well at the combine, I'd be all for drafting him with the 15th pick. But I think he will go top 10 and I yet again don't see Keim trading up...
It would have to be 3rd round. He is better at running than throwing. Can he catch? Maybe convert him to receiver.
He can absolutely air it out. Pro concept with lots of NFL level throws, granted against much softer and slower defenses. Bad OL and WR hurt him a lot. Not the most consistent or fundamentally sound passer, but still extremely young and improving every season. Usually gets the ball where it should be. Electric playmaker. If it wasn't for his slight frame, he'd be a high 1st round pick in my book. I see him as a 2nd who will be drafted in the 1st anyway. Absolutely needs a good coach and right scheme to succeed, but denying his talent is foolish just because RGIII didn't pan out. Jackson could very well be the next Mike Vick.
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I was referring to his 50% completion percentage. That never translates well to the NFL.
Chopper0080
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My biggest concern with both him and Josh Allen.
Mitch
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I agree. Well said, Veer. The upside in Jackson is enormous. By all accounts, he is humble and very coachable. The Louisville offense wasn't a dink and dunk, otherwise his completion % would be higher. Bobby Petrone loves to take his shots downfield. He loves going for the home run.
This much is for sure---Lamar Jackson will cause NFL DCs to lose sleep. He is a DC's nightmare. And if whoever coaches him, puts in RPOs for Jackson, he could be, at times, unstoppable. Jackson's toughness makes him a cut above the rest. He gives his all.
AsUpRoDiGy
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With the right coach...Jackson could be great. It's all about scheme with him. If he's put in a WCO he would probably excel, but he definitely needs tons of coaching on his footwork/mechanics. His frame is concerning, especially since he loves to run...that would get him on IR insanely fast in the NFL. He wants to be good...he wants to learn, and he's not a douche like RG3 was/is. If he put on 15 -20 lbs and really honed in on his mechanics...he's well worth a 1st round pick.
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Based on limited observation at this point in the draft...
...I'd reach for L Jackson at #15.
...I'd reach for L Jackson at #15.
depends on who the coach is. but if they fit the system I would be happy with Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson or Rudolph at 15 or better
the combine will be important for Lamar,...if he shows solid accuracy with his short and intermediate throws he will move up a lot of draft boards
the combine will be important for Lamar,...if he shows solid accuracy with his short and intermediate throws he will move up a lot of draft boards
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When was Jackson completion % around 50%?
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Jackson's completion % was 54 his freshman year,56 his soph year and 59 this season.He was not a dink and screen QB who inflated his completion % with a bunch of dinky screens and dumpoffs.Petrino liked to go downfield.
Against better defenses. It's higher against terrible teams but when he faces stronger competition his percentage declines. Anything less than the low 60's usually spells bust in the NFL. He would be good for a team that runs the wildcat. He can certainly run & is very elusive.
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Kuiper has Allen going #1.
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since Jackson has had a offensive line that has performed lower than expected and he has been forced to run for his life every game AND he doesn`t rely on rinky-dink dumpoffs and stat inflating chickenshit screen passes to inflate his stats i think he has done well considering the situation.Sure he is a gamble but so is every QB coming out of college to the NFL.Talent wise,character wise and work ethic all are great with Jackson.
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The professional game is no longer traditional. To an extent one has to look at success now in the NFL as actually running an offence with college tendencies. If Baker Mayfield is off the board and Lamar Jackson is there at fifteen, I would draft him then and there because he can win in this league now. Yes, he has a slender frame but I think with the way the game plans are becoming more like the college game because the pros have no choice, I would not doubt if the shelf life of a modern QB will start to resemble a running back and you have to draft one that can run every seven years. With the speed of the NFL, it would be great to acquire all the pieces able to run what we have known as a pro style but those options are no longer developed in college where they can learn them sufficiently once they get drafted. If you can find a traditional QB with the prerequisite skills for a pro offense, you still then have to find OL which can hold a block and WRs which can run a route
Chopper0080
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If you are down for Lamar Jackson, you will have to be ok with a lesser version of Marcus Mariota.
His most prolific weapon is his feet. He rushed for 1600 yards this season, how often does that translate to the QB position in the NFL? I can only think of a couple. He had a weak ACC schedule. I just don’t see it. He’s an exciting college QB, no doubt. But I think that’s it.
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Ive heard several teams like him as a wide receiver. If the Cards interviewed him and he agreed to play WR if QB didn’t work out I’d take him. I know he doesnt last until round 3 and I’m not sure he doesn’t go late round 1. If he’s still there and the Cards didn’t take a QB in round 1, he’d be a good choice in round 2.
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I have a question/statement regarding these type statements, so not just for you ASU. IMO most QB's take the most wicked shots while in the pocket. I mean their job is to stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball, and at times they take the hit they never see coming. At least when they're running the have the opportunity to protect themselves, with a slide or just brace for the hit. Thought?
WisconsinCard
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I've heard this too, I also heard that teams have posed this question to him already.
AsUpRoDiGy
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The thought is that a QB is most protected inside the pocket, and running QB's take more of a beating because they're always breaking from the pocket and open to more hits/exposure. If someone like Cam or Luck gets injured running...you can pretty much guarantee someone as thin as Lamar will get broken in half. Also a reason why the league covets pocket passers...they typically have a longer shelf life in most instances.
