Would you take this?

[slanidrac16]

3800 yards passing
29 td
19 ints?
3 fumbles lost

Well, guess what? That is what Derek Anderson threw for in 2007 with a cast of offensive weapons that doesn't compare to what we have now.

Would you take this?

3800 yards passing
26 td's
14 ints
6 fumbles lost
I would guess you would because that's Warner's stats from last year.

Warner resurrected his career under the Whizenhunt Regime. I think when the Cards went out and signed Anderson, I believe they seen a guy they could coach up to a standard they feel would be adequate to win in case Leinart didn't live up to his billing.

Can coaching improve footwork and accuracy? I would think so.
Can a winning system make an average QB better? To some degree.
Will Anderson fully replace Warner? Of course not. There aren't too many guys out there that could.
Is Leinart head and shoulders above Anderson in ANY aspect of his game
other than perhaps knowing the system a bit better? Hmmm. There's food for thought.

We will have our answer to the QB controversy ( if there is one) by Sunday. Remember Leinart played himself out of the starting role against Oakland in the 3rd game of the exhibition season and I really believe it could happen again.

Both guys are 27. Both guys have shown a glimpes of what they are capable of doing. Anderson showed his over an entire season. Leinart has not had that opportunity or should I say never grabbed that opportunity.

Whiz is all about competing for your job. Leinart had better really show up next week against the Bears because no matter what you or I think, there has not been a slam dunk decision on who will be the starting QB. Not as long as Whiz has anything to say about it.

 

[kerouac9]

What we need are more threads on this topic. Thanks for starting another one.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Dude Aderson was a one year wonder. Check out his stats after 2007.

 

[slanidrac16]

Dude Aderson was a one year wonder. Check out his stats after 2007.

Check out Warner's stats from 04, 05, 06. Not a ringing endorsement there either. I don't believe ANYBODY was throwing a parade when we sighed Warner.
In fact, most were saying the same things as they are now saying about Anderson.

The only point I'm trying to make in this thread is we sometimes get caught up in names, stats and memories. If you had told me Andersons 07 season was comparible to Warner's 09 season, I would have said you were nuts.

Once again, I don't care who the starting qb on this team is. I just want the one that can give us the best chance to win.

 

[slanidrac16]

What we need are more threads on this topic. Thanks for starting another one.

Don't mention it. It's my pleasure.

 

[THESMEL]

Man expand Matts rookie season to 16 games and see the spectacular. We aint gonna come close to balance with Whiz calling the plays, We were throwing all over the place, Beanie should have been the starter and He would have busted into the 2nd level and eliminate that blitz early on, but no, we gotta have THT dancing with the Stars for losses. 3rd and 1 lets throw the long ball to undrafted rookie for a first down. That was stupid! and that was Whiz, that is why Matt leinert never got a first down or a rhythem. We went 3 and out 50% of the time these last 3 years but thats easy to forget when we had spectacular the other 50% of the time. I remind you that trhe Saints had the top passing offense and they ran more than 50% of the time! Q and Fitz and Doucett was not on the field. Maybe Matt should hit Whiz in the head with a pass to see how he responds!

 

[stewdog1]

If we had one more veteran QB on the roster, Leinart could be cut. But since we have 2 rookies, then Leinart will be here.

I really see Anderson the starting QB NLT the game after the bye week.

 

[Mitch]

Slan, based on what we've seen this pre-season and the fact that Anderson has been receiving the bluk of the playing time, I think the scales are tipping toward him.

Whiz's rhetoric to the media regarding Leinart is a tip-off too. We are no longer hearing "Matt has earned it" or "Matt is the guy"...instead Whiz said to Gruds, MT and Jaws yesterday "We are not sure of what we have in Matt."

If you are not sure, then why do you yank him after 3 three and outs?

While the coaches may not be sure...it seems they are leaning heavily in a different direction.

What do you make of Whiz going with Max Hall instead of last week's surprise star, John Skelton?

Hall, while he made mistakes, gave the national audience a strong indication of why the reports out of Cardinals' camp and from national pundits such as Chris Mortensen and Peter King have been so favorable.

Whiz isn't trying to hide Hall...and it makes you wonder if Hall actually is in the mix, not just to make the roster, but to contribute, perhaps sooner rather than later.

I think it's very possible that Whiz may decide at some point this season that the future is now...not just at QB, but at RT, WR, NT, ILB, CB, etc...and that he is intent on bringing the youngsters along.

Whiz loves his young depth.

In his offense he finds a way to create roles and paying time for the youngsters.

Now Bill Davis should be encouraged to do the same.

Like the old Mormon theme song goes: "If you are going to bring 'em...Brigham Young!"

 

[MadCardDisease]

Slan, based on what we've seen this pre-season and the fact that Anderson has been receiving the bluk of the playing time, I think the scales are tipping toward him.

Whiz's rhetoric to the media regarding Leinart is a tip-off too. We are no longer hearing "Matt has earned it" or "Matt is the guy"...instead Whiz said to Gruds, MT and Jaws yesterday "We are not sure of what we have in Matt."

If you are not sure, then why do you yank him after 3 three and outs?

While the coaches may not be sure...it seems they are leaning heavily in a different direction.

What do you make of Whiz going with Max Hall instead of last week's surprise star, John Skelton?

Hall, while he made mistakes, gave the national audience a strong indication of why the reports out of Cardinals' camp and from national pundits such as Chris Mortensen and Peter King have been so favorable.

Whiz isn't trying to hide Hall...and it makes you wonder if Hall actually is in the mix, not just to make the roster, but to contribute, perhaps sooner rather than later.

I think it's very possible that Whiz may decide at some point this season that the future is now...not just at QB, but at RT, WR, NT, ILB, CB, etc...and that he is intent on bringing the youngsters along.

Whiz loves his young depth.

In his offense he finds a way to create roles and paying time for the youngsters.

Now Bill Davis should be encouraged to do the same.

Like the old Mormon theme song goes: "If you are going to bring 'em...Brigham Young!"

I couldn't disagree more.

I think Whiz wanted to see what Anderson could do with the starters. He wanted to see if Anderson could push Lienart some. That is why he pulled Lienart after the first quarter.

Whiz is a fair coach and that is why Hall got some playing time today. Don't read too much into Hall playing over Skelton. Hall has an outside shot at making the team. I think they hope to sneak Hall to the PS and I doubt he will see much more than a quarter in the next two games.

 

[Dayman]

Would you take this?

18 games
2503 yards
49% comp
12 TDs
18 INT
7 fumb

Because those are Anderson's stats since 2007.

 

[THESMEL]

disagree

While others are creating the best enviroment possible for their young QB, Whiz is throwing bombs on 3rd and 1 to undrafted FA WR's. calling off TD's in practice to see how Matt responds. Matt Leinert is an elite franchise QB, He is 10-13 with no picks this preseason, He put up over 300 Yards last preseason in the 2nd half of the GB game after Kurt screwed the pooch badly. Matt responds well to a healthy enviroment, like 4 NCAA championship games in a row, a page full of NCAA record sebveral NFL rookie records, but no we gotta treat him like a punk and make it as difficult as possible. Matts the Solution not the problem. Whiz and Grimm need to place the oline that has 3 years starting a SB and a playoff under their belt together, And stop staying up late seeing how they can Screw up Matt amnd Beanie. Thats dysfunctional and it shows on the field!

Slan, based on what we've seen this pre-season and the fact that Anderson has been receiving the bluk of the playing time, I think the scales are tipping toward him.

Whiz's rhetoric to the media regarding Leinart is a tip-off too. We are no longer hearing "Matt has earned it" or "Matt is the guy"...instead Whiz said to Gruds, MT and Jaws yesterday "We are not sure of what we have in Matt."

If you are not sure, then why do you yank him after 3 three and outs?

While the coaches may not be sure...it seems they are leaning heavily in a different direction.

What do you make of Whiz going with Max Hall instead of last week's surprise star, John Skelton?

Hall, while he made mistakes, gave the national audience a strong indication of why the reports out of Cardinals' camp and from national pundits such as Chris Mortensen and Peter King have been so favorable.

Whiz isn't trying to hide Hall...and it makes you wonder if Hall actually is in the mix, not just to make the roster, but to contribute, perhaps sooner rather than later.

I think it's very possible that Whiz may decide at some point this season that the future is now...not just at QB, but at RT, WR, NT, ILB, CB, etc...and that he is intent on bringing the youngsters along.

Whiz loves his young depth.

In his offense he finds a way to create roles and paying time for the youngsters.

Now Bill Davis should be encouraged to do the same.

Like the old Mormon theme song goes: "If you are going to bring 'em...Brigham Young!"

 

[kerouac9]

I couldn't disagree more.

I think Whiz wanted to see what Anderson could do with the starters. He wanted to see if Anderson could push Lienart some. That is why he pulled Lienart after the first quarter.

Whiz is a fair coach and that is why Hall got some playing time today. Don't read too much into Hall playing over Skelton. Hall has an outside shot at making the team. I think they hope to sneak Hall to the PS and I doubt he will see much more than a quarter in the next two games.

I disagree with this. Let's be honest about Hall: his prospects following the draft were so bad that the best offer he got was to go to a team with two veteran QBs and a guy they'd just drafted. UDFA's may not have been draft picks, but the benefit of that situation is that you get to pick where you go so that you can compete for a job.

No team that had a competitive situation at QB (I'd say anyone with a nobody at QB3 or a sixth- or seventh-round draft pick there) had any interest in Max Hall. Coach Whis was generous enough with Hall to allow him to get some action on film so that when he's inevitably cut (and it's going to happen), teams still looking for help at QB, or for someone to develop on their practice squad, can see what Hall has.

It's not in Whis's program to stash a 4th QB on the practice squad who isn't going to get any reps in the season. You can develop linebackers, defensive linemen, cornerbacks, and offensive linemen with those spots. That's what the Steelers do.

Hall will maybe end up on a practice squad after the preseason is over, I just don't think it will be ours.

 

[earthsci]

I couldn't disagree more.

I think Whiz wanted to see what Anderson could do with the starters. He wanted to see if Anderson could push Lienart some. That is why he pulled Lienart after the first quarter.

Whiz is a fair coach and that is why Hall got some playing time today. Don't read too much into Hall playing over Skelton. Hall has an outside shot at making the team. I think they hope to sneak Hall to the PS and I doubt he will see much more than a quarter in the next two games.

Absolutely this. Except for the Hall part. I can see Hall being on the final 53. Why? IMO, Anderson might get cut. That's why, again IMO, Whiz played him that much. Fish or cut bait.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I disagree with this. Let's be honest about Hall: his prospects following the draft were so bad that the best offer he got was to go to a team with two veteran QBs and a guy they'd just drafted. UDFA's may not have been draft picks, but the benefit of that situation is that you get to pick where you go so that you can compete for a job.

No team that had a competitive situation at QB (I'd say anyone with a nobody at QB3 or a sixth- or seventh-round draft pick there) had any interest in Max Hall. Coach Whis was generous enough with Hall to allow him to get some action on film so that when he's inevitably cut (and it's going to happen), teams still looking for help at QB, or for someone to develop on their practice squad, can see what Hall has.

It's not in Whis's program to stash a 4th QB on the practice squad who isn't going to get any reps in the season. You can develop linebackers, defensive linemen, cornerbacks, and offensive linemen with those spots. That's what the Steelers do.

Hall will maybe end up on a practice squad after the preseason is over, I just don't think it will be ours.

I pretty much agree with that. I was just saying that I disagreed with Mitch's take that Whisenhunt has bigger plans for Hall. He will most likely be PS material. I could see the Cards keeping him on the PS due to the questions they have at QB.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Absolutely this. Except for the Hall part. I can see Hall being on the final 53. Why? IMO, Anderson might get cut. That's why, again IMO, Whiz played him that much. Fish or cut bait.

As inconsistant as Anderson has been, I just can't see them cutting him.

 

[bg7brd]

Absolutely this. Except for the Hall part. I can see Hall being on the final 53. Why? IMO, Anderson might get cut. That's why, again IMO, Whiz played him that much. Fish or cut bait.

After watching Hall last night and listening to him on the radio this morning I think he makes the final 53. I don't think we can slip him through waivers and he has too much potential to risk it.

 

[kerouac9]

After watching Hall last night and listening to him on the radio this morning I think he makes the final 53. I don't think we can slip him through waivers and he has too much potential to risk it.

Too much potential for what, exactly?

How is Max Hall any different from the other #4 QBs we've had come through camp?

 

[Garthshort]

The team sure is giving DA a lot of rope. And we know how that turned out.

 

[BigRedRage]

cut anderson, keep matt and the two rookies. Give matt all year to prove he needs an extention, if not cut him after the season, sign a veteran and have hall, skelton and the vet compete for the team.

why not?

DA is not the future, matt, max and john could be.

 

[Zeno]

3800 yards passing
29 td
19 ints?
3 fumbles lost

Well, guess what? That is what Derek Anderson threw for in 2007 with a cast of offensive weapons that doesn't compare to what we have now.

Would you take this?

3800 yards passing
26 td's
14 ints
6 fumbles lost
I would guess you would because that's Warner's stats from last year.

Anderson completion % 56 Warner completion % 66

HUGE difference. Anderson lifetime completion % 52.9