WRs aside from Fitz--I am NOT pleased

[Mitch]

One could argue that Warner was even more efficient when Q was out. Remember the first half of the Bears' game in Chicago? The playoff game versus Green Bay?

Don't get me wrong---this isn't to suggest Q was not a great WR and asset---but sometimes when a team has two great WRs it's hard to keep them both happy---and it puts added pressure on the QB to do so.

Warner, imo, was at his best when he spread the ball around and didn't worry about feeding one WR too often.

Take Green Bay, for example. They fed their #1 WR last year (Greg Jennings: 76/1,265yds/12TD---and then fed a cadre of #2/#3/#4 options (Donald Driver: 51/565/4---James Jones: 50/679/5---Jordy Nelson: 45/582/2) plus RB Brandon Jackson: 43/342/1.

This is what Whiz is saying and is what he wants and hopes for.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Oh crap Cheesebeef you right, even though Heap averaged 15 yards a catch last season(his highest average per catch in his career)...he feel drastically short of going over 600 yards with a paltry total of 599. No defense will be scared of this guy at all playing along side someone like Fitzgerald. And his TD total of 5 last season is only a mere average of his TD total for basically every season of his career. What a wasted pickup by the Cards.

 

[Mitch]

Oh crap Cheesebeef you right, even though Heap averaged 15 yards a catch last season(his highest average per catch in his career)...he feel drastically short of going over 600 yards with a paltry total of 599. No defense will be scared of this guy at all playing along side someone like Fitzgerald. And his TD total of 5 last season is only a mere average of his TD total for basically every season of his career. What a wasted pickup by the Cards.

He also had a 10 catch 100+ yard playoff game last year in their win versus KC.

 

[az jam]

One could argue that Warner was even more efficient when Q was out. Remember the first half of the Bears' game in Chicago? The playoff game versus Green Bay?

Don't get me wrong---this isn't to suggest Q was not a great WR and asset---but sometimes when a team has two great WRs it's hard to keep them both happy---and it puts added pressure on the QB to do so.

Warner, imo, was at his best when he spread the ball around and didn't worry about feeding one WR too often.

Take Green Bay, for example. They fed their #1 WR last year (Greg Jennings: 76/1,265yds/12TD---and then fed a cadre of #2/#3/#4 options (Donald Driver: 51/565/4---James Jones: 50/679/5---Jordy Nelson: 45/582/2) plus RB Brandon Jackson: 43/342/1.

This is what Whiz is saying and is what he wants and hopes for.

Good point Mitch, Green Bay with Rodgers really spreads the ball and as you said that is what Warner did. I head Whiz in an interview say that he feels besides Fitz that they have lots of good young receivers that he wants to play before panicking for another WR. We have plenty of weaknesses as you have pointed out in other posts. If Kolb starts spreading the ball I don't think our receivers will be an issue

 

[Krangodnzr]

We don't need a true #2.

We have a stable of receiving talent, and while it isn't "proven" our QBs will have a lot of decent pass catchers to throw the ball too. Even last season we had good enough receiving talent to win, we just didn't have even an adequate QB to throw the ball.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Oh crap Cheesebeef you right, even though Heap averaged 15 yards a catch last season(his highest average per catch in his career)...he feel drastically short of going over 600 yards with a paltry total of 599. No defense will be scared of this guy at all playing along side someone like Fitzgerald. And his TD total of 5 last season is only a mere average of his TD total for basically every season of his career. What a wasted pickup by the Cards.

599 yards is not terrible for a tight end. I would likely account for THREE seasons of Cardinal TEs receiving yardage.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh crap Cheesebeef you right, even though Heap averaged 15 yards a catch last season(his highest average per catch in his career)...he feel drastically short of going over 600 yards with a paltry total of 599.

um... even if he got another yard, 600 yards isn't all that special IMO Jet. It puts him around the league average for TEs.

No defense will be scared of this guy at all playing along side someone like Fitzgerald. And his TD total of 5 last season is only a mere average of his TD total for basically every season of his career. What a wasted pickup by the Cards.

who called him a wasted pick-up? I just don't think Heap scares defenses in this league. He's a nice complimentary piece if you've got multiple serious weapons on O and i'm not sure we have that. But hey, if you want to paint my words with with a broad brush and really ignore what i'm saying, more power to ya.

 

[Cheesebeef]

599 yards is not terrible for a tight end. I would likely account for THREE seasons of Cardinal TEs receiving yardage.

no one said it was terrible. just that it wasn't something that keeps D coordinators up at night over. he's a nice complimentary piece to an offense that IMO doesn't have much established playmakers besides Fitz.

 

[joeshmo]

You needed to add a smilie to that one, Joe, unless you think we're the Patriots.

No I dont. It is a precedence, and there are others, its just the one I know of off the top of my head. Many good offenses have had a Great #1 and a bunch of #3 WR's/TE's/RB's.

The point remains the same. Who ares if the #2 only catches 45 when you have 2 or 3 other guys also catching 45. It is the totality not pieces.

 

[joeshmo]

Take Green Bay, for example. They fed their #1 WR last year (Greg Jennings: 76/1,265yds/12TD---and then fed a cadre of #2/#3/#4 options (Donald Driver: 51/565/4---James Jones: 50/679/5---Jordy Nelson: 45/582/2) plus RB Brandon Jackson: 43/342/1.

This is what Whiz is saying and is what he wants and hopes for.

Good thought, adding more to my own debate point.

 

[Duckjake]

This would be great except that we heard the same thing last season. Washington was going to be better than Dansby. We wouldn't miss Boldin. Okeafor was no big loss. When I actually see these guys produce when it counts then I'll buy into Andre Roberts and Paris Lenon and Early Doucet and Daryl Washington. Until then it is nothing but if and hope.

 

[Shane]

This would be great except that we heard the same thing last season. Washington was going to be better than Dansby. We wouldn't miss Boldin. Okeafor was no big loss. When I actually see these guys produce when it counts then I'll buy into Andre Roberts and Paris Lenon and Early Doucet and Daryl Washington. Until then it is nothing but if and hope.

I dont think anyone said that Washington would be better than Dansby LAST YEAR.. I saw many saying in 2 to 3 years??? A new rookie in a 3-4? Anyone expecting that would be expecting WAY WAY to much.

 

[CardsFan88]

I think what whiz said has some merits. They want the 2nd person to do specific things. They'll put the receiver who can run specific routes well enough in to run the specific routes they are going to run.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This would be great except that we heard the same thing last season. Washington was going to be better than Dansby. We wouldn't miss Boldin. Okeafor was no big loss. When I actually see these guys produce when it counts then I'll buy into Andre Roberts and Paris Lenon and Early Doucet and Daryl Washington. Until then it is nothing but if and hope.

exactly.

that's why I have so much trepidation. save Rhodes, we've yet to see this staff replace the parts we've lost... and even Rhodes was an accomplished player, not a draft pick.

 

[MrYeahBut]

exactly.

that's why I have so much trepidation. save Rhodes, we've yet to see this staff replace the parts we've lost... and even Rhodes was an accomplished player, not a draft pick.

Not a given by any means, but I'm hoping we can add Toler to that

 

[BigRedRage]

just not sure why everyone finds it such a big deal to bring in a #2 but maybe I have more faith in our core than you guys. Reciever has been far from our problem

 

[Mainstreet]

I just want to throw Rob Housler's name into receiving TE mix along with Heap. I think the Cardinals throwing to the TE this season will help the QB immensely.

 

[perivolaki]

I heard Philly's system is 7-9 step drop backs, vs the Cards, which is 3-5. So he has less time to get the ball out of his hands. He's probably locking onto Fitz (naturally) and then not feeling like he has enough time to progress through his reads. That should improve with time.

I heard that too.

It also effects the evaluation of the offensive line. They said that the tackles are taught to push the rushers around the outside of the quarterback.

Kolb has had to adapt to this and it hasn't been easy. In fact I understand that some of what we thought were offensive line problems in the first preseason game were Kolb not taking the proper drop.

 

[Russ Smith]

I heard that too.

It also effects the evaluation of the offensive line. They said that the tackles are taught to push the rushers around the outside of the quarterback.

Kolb has had to adapt to this and it hasn't been easy. In fact I understand that some of what we thought were offensive line problems in the first preseason game were Kolb not taking the proper drop.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but this morning they had Darren Woodson on ESPN and he said the exact opposite. He said the Philly system is get the ball out quickly, the Cards system calls for the QB to hold the ball a bit longer to allow for the deeper routes to unfold.

I was a bit skeptical myself Philly throws a lot of deep balls to DeSean and Kurt did a lot of get it out quickly stuff but Woodson's point was the called plays not the sight adjustments when it was a blitz. What Kurt did as well as anybody ever was read the blitz and make the adjustment, hold the ball long enough to let his guys get open and unload it. But those plays were not designed to come out that fast they just did because of the blitz.

Woodson was saying that Kolb has to adjust the clock in his head because he has to wait longer for the WR's to open up in the route scheme the Cards use.

 

[Mitch]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but this morning they had Darren Woodson on ESPN and he said the exact opposite. He said the Philly system is get the ball out quickly, the Cards system calls for the QB to hold the ball a bit longer to allow for the deeper routes to unfold.

I was a bit skeptical myself Philly throws a lot of deep balls to DeSean and Kurt did a lot of get it out quickly stuff but Woodson's point was the called plays not the sight adjustments when it was a blitz. What Kurt did as well as anybody ever was read the blitz and make the adjustment, hold the ball long enough to let his guys get open and unload it. But those plays were not designed to come out that fast they just did because of the blitz.

Woodson was saying that Kolb has to adjust the clock in his head because he has to wait longer for the WR's to open up in the route scheme the Cards use.

We can't expect instant miracles from Kolb. We have to be patient. This is going to take some time.The ultimate hope is he can do enough to help the team win games while he is in the learning assimilation curve.