You guys owe the Lakers some thanks

[arthurracoon]

Hey guys, if Kings wins tonight and Lakers loses tomorrow, does this mean that Kings owns the tie-breaker and we end up playing them instead of Lakers?

I think so...and the kings won tonight...


well....GGOOOOO LAKERS (only this wednesday)!!!!!!

Kobe better go off on the hornets (and get the win as well).

 

[jibikao]

I think so...and the kings won tonight...


well....GGOOOOO LAKERS (only this wednesday)!!!!!!

Kobe better go off on the hornets (and get the win as well).

If that's the case, why do Lakers fans feel like we are going to see them in the 1st round and say how we disrespect them? LOCK THE DAMN place first. It's not even for sure we are going to play them, although I can't imagine any team in NBA wants to see Spurs in the first round.

What will be funny is Lakers ends up losing tomorrow and loses to Spurs in the 1st round. Maybe they should worry about locking up #7 first?

I don't think Lakers own the tie-breaker. What if they are tied? Do they play one more game against each other?

 

[Chaz]

Yes, Sacramento holds the tiebreaker.

Lakers need to win to claim the 7th seed.

 

[LakeShowMan]

If that's the case, why do Lakers fans feel like we are going to see them in the 1st round and say how we disrespect them? LOCK THE DAMN place first. It's not even for sure we are going to play them, although I can't imagine any team in NBA wants to see Spurs in the first round.

What will be funny is Lakers ends up losing tomorrow and loses to Spurs in the 1st round. Maybe they should worry about locking up #7 first?

I don't think Lakers own the tie-breaker. What if they are tied? Do they play one more game against each other?

I think there is a difference between the fans hoping to get somebody in the playoffs, and the actual team. It is not like there are any quotes from Kobe, Lamar, and company about their match up with the Suns.

All that said, I know I would much rather play the Suns in the first round then the Spurs. Since the all-star break, the Lakers and Suns have a pretty similar record. Plus, San Antonio, along with Detroit, still has to be considered the favorite to take the whole thing and they are built for postseason basketball. The Suns really aren't this year, because of the lack of the inside presence that a healthy Amare gives. Not really much of a choice there.

 

[jibikao]

I think there is a difference between the fans hoping to get somebody in the playoffs, and the actual team. It is not like there are any quotes from Kobe, Lamar, and company about their match up with the Suns.

All that said, I know I would much rather play the Suns in the first round then the Spurs. Since the all-star break, the Lakers and Suns have a pretty similar record. Plus, San Antonio, along with Detroit, still has to be considered the favorite to take the whole thing and they are built for postseason basketball. The Suns really aren't this year, because of the lack of the inside presence that a healthy Amare gives. Not really much of a choice there.

I actually thought Lakers had already locked up #7 and that's why so many Lakers fans complain about Nash/Bell sitting out and not respecting them. I went to Lakersground and even registered. They all say Suns are disrespecting them when their team hasn't even locked up the position yet!!! What's the big idea? Maybe they should lock up their position first and THEN talk about the matchup? Have they thought about that first? All I see is how Nash is worthless MVP and how Lakers in 6 over Suns. Good god. I've never seen such cocky #8/#7 seed.

Edit: And I never think our lineup now can win championship this season but I do expect us to at least pass the first round.

 

[LakeShowMan]

I actually thought Lakers had already locked up #7 and that's why so many Lakers fans complain about Nash/Bell sitting out and not respecting them. I went to Lakersground and even registered. They all say Suns are disrespecting them when their team hasn't even locked up the position yet!!! What's the big idea? Maybe they should lock up their position first and THEN talk about the matchup? Have they thought about that first? All I see is how Nash is worthless MVP and how Lakers in 6 over Suns. Good god. I've never seen such cocky #8/#7 seed.

Edit: And I never think our lineup now can win championship this season but I do expect us to at least pass the first round.

Well honestly, thats just fan talk. The reality is almost every fan over values what they have, and undervalues what other teams have (except for those rare fans that always seem to be the other way, and constantly bitch about how their team sucks). I mean, look in here where you got people saying that it will be an easy sweep and the Lakers don't deserve to be on the same court. Just the way it is.

If I had to bet my life on this series, I would most likely pick the Suns in 6 or 7. However, I do think with the way the Lakers are playing lately, and the fact that they have the best player in basketball, that they can win this series (if in fact we end up playing the Suns in the first round).

 

[arthurracoon]

Well, if I were the Lakers, I'd want to play the Suns over the spurs.

I think any team would.

 

[nowagimp]

Well honestly, thats just fan talk. The reality is almost every fan over values what they have, and undervalues what other teams have (except for those rare fans that always seem to be the other way, and constantly bitch about how their team sucks). I mean, look in here where you got people saying that it will be an easy sweep and the Lakers don't deserve to be on the same court. Just the way it is.

If I had to bet my life on this series, I would most likely pick the Suns in 6 or 7. However, I do think with the way the Lakers are playing lately, and the fact that they have the best player in basketball, that they can win this series (if in fact we end up playing the Suns in the first round).

Dont worry, the Lakers will win, the highest scorer game(its a game within a game). That will keep the fans happy, since the Lakers cant hope to really win anything worth winning. If laker fans are happy with a first round playoff win, it will show how the mighty have fallen. With all those championships, just a win will suffice. I guess a starving man appreciates even a rotten hot dog.

 

[LakeShowMan]

Dont worry, the Lakers will win, the highest scorer game(its a game within a game). That will keep the fans happy, since the Lakers cant hope to really win anything worth winning. If laker fans are happy with a first round playoff win, it will show how the mighty have fallen. With all those championships, just a win will suffice. I guess a starving man appreciates even a rotten hot dog.

LOL, I hope you are joking. The Suns, as presently constituted, are as likely to win the Championship as the Lakers are this year. Without a healthy Amare, the Suns are not going to win the west, much less the NBA Championship.

I think the Lakers fans would be happy with a first round victory this year because we are in the middle of a rebuilding process, and have the second youngest team in the NBA. However, no Laker fan is truly satisfied with anything less then a championship. We do understand however, that getting to that level is a process, because we have witnessed it, since the franchise has actually won it 14 times.

On the other hand, you may want to start spewing championship (or championship expectation) smack once your team finally wins one.

P.S. To the guys that I respect on here, I am sorry I had to respond like this, it is not really my style. With that said, the irony of the assertions in this post are frankly, quite rediculous.

 

[Chaplin]

LOL, I hope you are joking. The Suns, as presently constituted, are as likely to win the Championship as the Lakers are this year. Without a healthy Amare, the Suns are not going to win the west, much less the NBA Championship.

I think the Lakers fans would be happy with a first round victory this year because we are in the middle of a rebuilding process, and have the second youngest team in the NBA. However, no Laker fan is truly satisfied with anything less then a championship. We do understand however, that getting to that level is a process, because we have witnessed it, since the franchise has actually won it 14 times.

On the other hand, you may want to start spewing championship (or championship expectation) smack once your team finally wins one.

P.S. To the guys that I respect on here, I am sorry I had to respond like this, it is not really my style. With that said, the irony of the assertions in this post are frankly, quite rediculous.

I understand your point-of-view, LSM, and somewhat agree with it. However, I disagree strenuously about our chances at a title vs. yours this season. I'm sorry, but the Suns have a much better chance at the title than the Lakers. That's not saying much because the Suns' chances aren't that great, but they are much better than the Lakers'.

 

[abomb]

Man, I respect Chaplin's opinion so much, whether it be sports or movies or whatever. I just wish he liked the Lakers.

A-Bomb

 

[LakeShowMan]

I understand your point-of-view, LSM, and somewhat agree with it. However, I disagree strenuously about our chances at a title vs. yours this season. I'm sorry, but the Suns have a much better chance at the title than the Lakers. That's not saying much because the Suns' chances aren't that great, but they are much better than the Lakers'.

To me, neither team is capable of winning the championship this year as presently constituted. Now, if you ask me who the better team is right now, then I would admit that it is the Suns. They were much more consistent this year, and are a tough matchup with their style of play.

However, with out a dominant inside presence, or a wing player that can give you some of the same matchup problems. Or without a dominant defense, that has the ability to get consistent stops in a halfcourt setting in a playoff 7 game setup. Plus, having a team makeup that in history hasn't been as successful in the playoffs as it is in the regular season, I just don't see the Suns as a viable Championship contender. Now, next year, with a healthy Amare (playing at the level that he did previously), that is a different situation all together.

My only point is, that nowagimp's post is not only rediculous, but pretty ironic since history isn't exactly represented in his arguement.

 

[Chaplin]

History is rarely represented in most arguements about sports.

 

[Chaplin]

Man, I respect Chaplin's opinion so much, whether it be sports or movies or whatever. I just wish he liked the Lakers.

A-Bomb

I've lived in LA since 1998. If I'm not a Laker fan by now, I'll never be one!

 

[D-Dogg]

I've lived in LA since 1998. If I'm not a Laker fan by now, I'll never be one!

That's ok, I'll hold out hope for you.

 

[LakeShowMan]

History is rarely represented in most arguements about sports.

Touche.

Anyway, I just can't wait for the playoffs to get started.

 

[nowagimp]

On the other hand, you may want to start spewing championship (or championship expectation) smack once your team finally wins one.

I think that you have misinterpreted alot here. Where did the championship smack come from, WHERE? You obviously dont know me cause I dont care for smack, its another generations thing. I have not stated that the suns would even win the western conference, so you may be confused about "championship smack". What I am confused by is how Laker fans with so many championships, can find satisfaction in talking smack over what, a possible(but not probable) first round playoff victory over a team without 2 starters? But then again, the laker fans I know wouldnt reduce themselves to that level. I guess they were around for most of those championships(though not the ones in minneapolis) and a first round playoff matchup is no biggie.

 

[jibikao]

No offense but this is Suns board and why do we have to explain why we think we can beat Laker? Beating Lakers does not mean winning the championship. Not even close.

Some of you Laker fans think we are "cocky"? How is a #2 seed beating a #7 seed = cocky? It's just the first matchup and quite frankly, Laker is never one of the contenders in my book (not this season). If we can't pass Laker, what else can we do?!

Some of the Laker fans need to calm down a bit. There is no need to defend Kobe and the team EVERY single time they get brought up. You are bound to hear some things you don't like here, just like those 10 threads about Navs being worthless MVP in other Laker forums. Oh my, wait until you read those.

 

[LakeShowMan]

I think that you have misinterpreted alot here. Where did the championship smack come from, WHERE? You obviously dont know me cause I dont care for smack, its another generations thing. I have not stated that the suns would even win the western conference, so you may be confused about "championship smack". What I am confused by is how Laker fans with so many championships, can find satisfaction in talking smack over what, a possible(but not probable) first round playoff victory over a team without 2 starters? But then again, the laker fans I know wouldnt reduce themselves to that level. I guess they were around for most of those championships(though not the ones in minneapolis) and a first round playoff matchup is no biggie.

Exactly what am I supposed to infer from your rant about 'how the mighty have fallen'?

Also, I don't think I ever really talked any smack, especially, crowing about winning a first round series, yet you still quoted my post and said I am akin to how 'a starving man appreciates even a rotten hot dog'.

Look the fact is, I am Laker fan through and through. I was born in 1975, and I have been following the team in earnest as long as I can remember. I have distant memories of even the 'Magic game'. All the chmapionships in the 80's, as well as the years in the 90's when Jerry West rebuilt the team in the wake of the Magic Johnson announcement. I have seen the ups and downs in that span (mostly ups obviously), but one thing I did learn from the teams in the 90's is that it takes time to build back up to championsip level team, but there are moments in those times that are enjoyable, because they show growth and development to the only ultimate goal any franchise should have (Championship).

Now, I would be lying if I said the last two seasons were as exciting as fulfilling as the championship years earlier in the decade, however, intimating that because my team has different measuring sticks that it should be beneath me/us as fans is ludicrious. Sounds like your Laker fan friends are only interested in the sunny times, which is fine, but I like to enjoy and revel in all the moments my teams, good or bad. It makes it that much more enjoyable when they get back to the top (which hopefully as a Suns fan you can one day enjoy).

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't think that not agreeing with you that the invincible Suns will run the terrible Lakers out of the building and sweep the first round really constitutes "talking smack."

The incredible confidence of the typical Suns fan is staggering, counting their chickens before there's even a crack in the egg.

On one hand, you've beaten the Lakers 3 times this year (all on the tail end of back to backs for the Lakers, after they played OT games).

On the other hand, you talk about the Lakers like they are a second class Eastern Conference team. They have practically the same record as the Clips and the Nugs, and the same record as your Suns since the All Star break. They have been steadily improving late in the season, as the team gets more comfortable in the extremely difficult triangle offense and is becoming more consistent. They have one of the greatest playoff coaches of all time in Phil, a coach who doesn't care about the regular season as long as he's in the playoffs. They have the best player in the game. They are a team that is starting to peak, gell and play well at the absolute right time.

Does that mean they'll win? Not at all, but it means they have a good shot, and can give you all you'll ever want.

Listen, I understand most of you hate the Lakers, but this attitude many of you are carrying around with the "get-out-the-broom" mentality is poorly acquired. It's likely going to be a tough series, and the winner is going to be heavily favored to go to the WCF since they will face the Nuggs or the Clips in the second round.

I've seen every LA championship since Magic was a rookie, and I live for championships. However, playoff victories are great, and first round matchups that you can win when you are the heavy underdog and most of the media doesn't give you any credit...well those are especially sweet.

It may happen, and it may not. But Suns fans should probably dial their confidence back a few big cranks.

 

[Chaplin]

Dude, D-Dogg, you're awfully close to insulting an entire group of people here. Do I think the Suns will win the championship this year? No. Do I think we will beat the Lakers in the 1st round? Absolutely. I also believe that we are good enough to beat either the Clippers or the Nuggets in the 2nd round. I think we are good enough to beat the Spurs, but they will most likely take us out of our game should we meet them, and will probably beat us.

I'm not going to dial my confidence back simply because some Laker fans don't like the fact that I believe in my team. (Which, by the way, you do as well)

And maybe I missed it, but who said anything about sweeping the Lakers without it being a joke??

 

[D-Dogg]

Dude, D-Dogg, you're awfully close to insulting an entire group of people here. Do I think the Suns will win the championship this year? No. Do I think we will beat the Lakers in the 1st round? Absolutely. I also believe that we are good enough to beat either the Clippers or the Nuggets in the 2nd round. I think we are good enough to beat the Spurs, but they will most likely take us out of our game should we meet them, and will probably beat us.

I'm not going to dial my confidence back simply because some Laker fans don't like the fact that I believe in my team. (Which, by the way, you do as well)

And maybe I missed it, but who said anything about sweeping the Lakers without it being a joke??

See Chaplin, here is the issue. You say you "absolutely" will beat the Lakers in the first round, yet you think you are "good enough" to beat the Clips or Nugs. The Lakers, Clips and Nugs are basically the same quality of team...yet nobody sees it that way since the Lakers had such an inconsistent year, and are only right now playing much better.

Believing in your team is one thing. Thinking the other is crap or the worst team in the west is quite another. Just because you and a few others don't think that way, doesn't mean it isn't being said or thought. Heck, there's a thread on this board about who you want in the second round. That's where confidence needs dialed back a bit...a la Tmac who said how great it felt to be in the second round when they still had to win a game to get there and then watched Orlando get beat like a drum and eliminated from the first round.

And I have a sig bet with Card Trader regarding the Lakers getting swept, so it obviously isn't a joke to everyone who says it.

I'm on record saying that the Suns will probably win this series in 6 or 7 games, but I'm not going to be shocked if the Lakers win. I know that they CAN, but I don't know how they will step up to playoff pressure.

 

[nowagimp]

No offense but this is Suns board and why do we have to explain why we think we can beat Laker? Beating Lakers does not mean winning the championship. Not even close.

Some of you Laker fans think we are "cocky"? How is a #2 seed beating a #7 seed = cocky? It's just the first matchup and quite frankly, Laker is never one of the contenders in my book (not this season). If we can't pass Laker, what else can we do?!

Some of the Laker fans need to calm down a bit. There is no need to defend Kobe and the team EVERY single time they get brought up. You are bound to hear some things you don't like here, just like those 10 threads about Navs being worthless MVP in other Laker forums. Oh my, wait until you read those.

Youre right, this is suns board, which begs the question: Why do laker fans spend so much energy and time on a suns board when they, like us, could be talking to like-minded fans. The only answer that I can come up with is to "talk smack". Certainly there has been no intelligent debate here among lakers and suns fans, has there? I have been able to carry on reasonable discussions with Kings, Sonics, and Mavericks fans that visit this board, but some of the laker fans are just here to talk smack and couldnt(or wouldn't) debate objectively on ANY topic. There can be no discussion without listening. Agreeing to disagree is possible and often the case even among suns fans, but smack is not about discussion or debate. Its just rude and ignorant and a waste of my time. Sorry, not interested, and not responding anymore.

 

[Chaplin]

See Chaplin, here is the issue. You say you "absolutely" will beat the Lakers in the first round, yet you think you are "good enough" to beat the Clips or Nugs. The Lakers, Clips and Nugs are basically the same quality of team...yet nobody sees it that way since the Lakers had such an inconsistent year, and are only right now playing much better.

Wrong. I said absolutely I THINK we will beat the Lakers. I will be surprised if the Lakers win, but I'm not naive enough to think that there is no chance they will pull off the upset. Of course there is that possibility. But I don't think it will happen. It's simply an opinion.

Believing in your team is one thing. Thinking the other is crap or the worst team in the west is quite another. Just because you and a few others don't think that way, doesn't mean it isn't being said or thought. Heck, there's a thread on this board about who you want in the second round. That's where confidence needs dialed back a bit...a la Tmac who said how great it felt to be in the second round when they still had to win a game to get there and then watched Orlando get beat like a drum and eliminated from the first round.

Look, we haven't had any problems, but come on, stop putting words in my mouth. When did I EVER say that the Lakers are the worst team in the West? I never said any such thing. The ONLY thing I've maintained is that I BELIEVE that the Phoenix Suns will beat the Los Angeles Lakers because the Suns are a better team. That's it. I have absolutely nothing to do with you "me against the world" complex you appear to have adopted on this board.

And I have a sig bet with Card Trader regarding the Lakers getting swept, so it obviously isn't a joke to everyone who says it.

Card Trader's loyalty is admirable, but misguided. I think it will be very difficult for the Suns to pull off a sweep of the Lakers. I don't think there will be any sweeps in the Western Conference playoffs this season.

 

[Chaplin]

Youre right, this is suns board, which begs the question: Why do laker fans spend so much energy and time on a suns board when they, like us, could be talking to like-minded fans. The only answer that I can come up with is to "talk smack". Certainly there has been no intelligent debate here among lakers and suns fans, has there? I have been able to carry on reasonable discussions with Kings, Sonics, and Mavericks fans that visit this board, but some of the laker fans are just here to talk smack and couldnt(or wouldn't) debate objectively on ANY topic. There can be no discussion without listening. Agreeing to disagree is possible and often the case even among suns fans, but smack is not about discussion or debate. Its just rude and ignorant and a waste of my time. Sorry, not interested, and not responding anymore.

From a fellow Suns fan, that just isn't true. It is only in the last few days that real animosity has picked up. And besides some instances of good natured ribbing, there have been very few bad experiences with Lakeshowman, D-Dogg, Renz, BIM and a-bomb.