Your Arizona Cardinals now hold the 16th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

[TheCardFan]

My man it's a different league now than it was 10 years ago, which was your MOST RECENT example.

I hear what you are saying but let's look at year 2:

Megatron - 1,300 12 TD
AJ Green - 1250 11 TD
Fitz - 1409 10 TD
Julio - 1,200 10

 

[Cheesebeef]

My man it's a different league now than it was 10 years ago, which was your MOST RECENT example.

not to mention that Harrison actually played at least 1 more games than all of those guys, 2 more than Green and 4 more than Julio, and was still solidly behind the guys from the modern passing era of the league where WR have been making an impact immediately.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I hear what you are saying but let's look at year 2:

Megatron - 1,300 12 TD
AJ Green - 1250 11 TD
Fitz - 1409 10 TD
Julio - 1,200 10

the hope is certainly that he takes that leap.

 

[Russ Smith]

I guess I don't understand how you are supposed to evaluate MHJ as a top whatever WR if you don't factor in all of the top whatever WRs regardless of draft status.

Maybe I missed part of the argument where MHJ's rookie season was deemed better than expectations because it was better than Higgins and Collins rookie seasons.

WR1 to me means good enough to be the top WR on YOUR team. He wasn't this year it was one of the reasons our offense wasn't better all year. The design of the offense with multiple TE sets and running the ball often was that we would have a WR1 who would be able to beat coverages and make plays within that system. What we discovered, with a few game exceptions, was he wasn't able to do that.

He was a WR2 playing WR1 this year. Next year I expect he will be better.

I would say anything less than what Collins did in his 3rd season, assuming MHJ is healthy and we don't dump Kyler and tank with a lousy QB, would be a disappointment for MHJ. That's 80 catches 1300 yards 8 TD's. The target to catch ratio will likely be lower because of the nature of our offense, Nico was 80 out of 109, Marv won't likely get to that.

 

[kerouac9]

The target to catch ratio will likely be lower because of the nature of our offense, Nico was 80 out of 109, Marv won't likely get to that.

Charmin had 116 targets this year

 

[Chopper0080]

Counterpoint, they also only played 16 game seasons.

That's why I cited passing yards per game vs passing yards in general.

 

[Chopper0080]

WR1 to me means good enough to be the top WR on YOUR team. He wasn't this year it was one of the reasons our offense wasn't better all year. The design of the offense with multiple TE sets and running the ball often was that we would have a WR1 who would be able to beat coverages and make plays within that system. What we discovered, with a few game exceptions, was he wasn't able to do that.

He was a WR2 playing WR1 this year. Next year I expect he will be better.

I would say anything less than what Collins did in his 3rd season, assuming MHJ is healthy and we don't dump Kyler and tank with a lousy QB, would be a disappointment for MHJ. That's 80 catches 1300 yards 8 TD's. The target to catch ratio will likely be lower because of the nature of our offense, Nico was 80 out of 109, Marv won't likely get to that.

Just to clarify, you mean the #1 receiver on your team, not #1 WR. He was definitely the #1 WR.

 

[Russ Smith]

Just to clarify, you mean the #1 receiver on your team, not #1 WR. He was definitely the #1 WR.

yes. I mean good enough to deserve to be the WR1. He was on our team by default, and he was better than Hollywood when he was WR1, but not by much to be honest.

I haven't sat down and made a list but I don't think I'd have him top 25 in NFL wr's. I think we NEED him to be top 10 next year.

 

[Russ Smith]

Charmin had 116 targets this year

Right and only 62 catches. So 18 less catches with more targets. I don't expect him to get to that ratio because our offense put more demand on him

 

[Chopper0080]

yes. I mean good enough to deserve to be the WR1. He was on our team by default, and he was better than Hollywood when he was WR1, but not by much to be honest.

I haven't sat down and made a list but I don't think I'd have him top 25 in NFL wr's. I think we NEED him to be top 10 next year.

A quick check landed at 23 teams having a WR who had more receiving yards than MHJ this season. So, he was the 24th WR1 in the league for what it is worth.

(EDIT: might be 25th)

 

[kerouac9]

Right and only 62 catches. So 18 less catches with more targets. I don't expect him to get to that ratio because our offense put more demand on him

Who takes pressure off Nico Collins more than McBride could/should with MJH?

 

[Russ Smith]

Who takes pressure off Nico Collins more than McBride could/should with MJH?

Dell did before he got hurt. So does Mixon but I see your point. I'm a big Nico fan btw

 

[Harry]

Mock draft by Dane Brugler.

I might take Umanmielen at 16

 

[Chopper0080]

Mock draft by Dane Brugler.

Interesting mock. Was not expecting to see Nolen, Princely and others in round 2. Grant to the Chiefs was also interesting. It's early but a different take for sure.