The Kyler Murray is mediocre thread
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kerouac9
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That's not what this chart says. He's the fourth least-efficient passer in the league.
I’m befuddled at why some rush to prop him up.
Kurt Warner couldn’t win a race running against a cripple, yet he won with his arm.
The supporters say” Petzing needs to put in some more designed runs.” Ask yourself this…why?
I could be wrong but I seem to remember seeing charts showing Kyler intermediate passing stats being very poor. I believe that’s still the case.
Think off the big plays. A broken play for a td to MHJ. The broken play hitting MHJ on a deeper sideline pass. The insane scramble against the Raiders. The insane prayer against the Bills. Hard to remember Kyler dropping back and dropping 20 yard dimes.
If I were calling the plays this week I would would pull a Bilichek and pass the first 30 plays of the game. Everybody knew the first play Sunday was going to be a Connor run. On 2nd down We run 90% of the time no matter what the situation. We are designed to run and set up the pass. There are times you pass to set up the run.
We will never know but I think we are forced to play within Kyler’s limits.
The defense is what it is. But we are not going to win another game if we only score 14 pts. So let’s put the ball in Kyler’s hands and play like we are 14 pts. Down. Why? Because we can’t. The defense won’t defend like we are 14 pts. Down.
Kurt Warner couldn’t win a race running against a cripple, yet he won with his arm.
The supporters say” Petzing needs to put in some more designed runs.” Ask yourself this…why?
I could be wrong but I seem to remember seeing charts showing Kyler intermediate passing stats being very poor. I believe that’s still the case.
Think off the big plays. A broken play for a td to MHJ. The broken play hitting MHJ on a deeper sideline pass. The insane scramble against the Raiders. The insane prayer against the Bills. Hard to remember Kyler dropping back and dropping 20 yard dimes.
If I were calling the plays this week I would would pull a Bilichek and pass the first 30 plays of the game. Everybody knew the first play Sunday was going to be a Connor run. On 2nd down We run 90% of the time no matter what the situation. We are designed to run and set up the pass. There are times you pass to set up the run.
We will never know but I think we are forced to play within Kyler’s limits.
The defense is what it is. But we are not going to win another game if we only score 14 pts. So let’s put the ball in Kyler’s hands and play like we are 14 pts. Down. Why? Because we can’t. The defense won’t defend like we are 14 pts. Down.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
I'll defend Kyler and say I don't think he can be elite by working on his mental preparation, because I believe he has been putting in all the mental preparation he can. Problem is, some QBs just will never have that elite processing speed. But I do think he is preparing as hard as he can.
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I expect a quarterback to be a playmaker in addition to their passing and running skills. They should have the ability to make defenses pay for their coverage. This is where I have the most questions. Kurt Warner made defenses pay with his quick decision-making.
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#8 in QBR... above average and fringe elite. Exactly where he has been most his career. Needs a good roster to win a superbowl. We are far from a good roster.
Any belief outside of the above few sentences is splitting hairs and understandably emotional convo after we got our butts whooped.
Any belief outside of the above few sentences is splitting hairs and understandably emotional convo after we got our butts whooped.
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Patrick Mahomes is #16 and Jordan Love is #17. We should call KC and offer to trade KM for Mahomes. We could possibly get a second-round draft pick to make the deal equal.
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Some will always run to the stat sheet. Its so much more than that.
Publicly whining about being banned gets you banned again. 3 days this time.
Keep it up and see where it goes.
Yep he is average ish. 12-15 range. I have accepted it. Better Jake Plummer.
You can win with him but he needs talent to elevate him, not the other way around.
Very fair take
We are using made up stats even these days to make our point.
EPA is the most hilariously made up stuff ever. It's even more subjective than WAR.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Fringe elite? Now and his whole career? Certainly a fringe post.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Give this man a prize.
Kyler was asked what it was like to lose Marvin Harrison, Jr. during the course of the game. He said, "I just continue to execute what Drew calls."
Just seemed to be a robotic answer and again he defers to the OC regarding plays.
Didn't strike me as how most franchise QBs would answer the question. He constantly makes it seem like he is powerless in this offense when coaches have publicly stated that he has the green light when it comes to deciding to run on any play or not, we have seen him change a play at the line of scrimmage, etc..
Just seemed to be a robotic answer and again he defers to the OC regarding plays.
Didn't strike me as how most franchise QBs would answer the question. He constantly makes it seem like he is powerless in this offense when coaches have publicly stated that he has the green light when it comes to deciding to run on any play or not, we have seen him change a play at the line of scrimmage, etc..
I remember Warner saying after a passing play is called there were 3 options. As they broke the huddle he already knew who the ball was going to just glancing at the defense.
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Whining?
Whining???
More like stating that he feels it inappropriate to ban people in a thread, regardless of it being an appreciation thread or not (the whole premise of not being able to counter opinions in a thread is ridiculous at face value anyhow) when they verbalize their disagreement with a stated opinion.
This is VERY heavy handed, and definitely not in the spirit of this board. Ban me or not, but this is a terrible moderator decision. Way overstepping, IMO.
The threat at the end of your post makes me question your ability to actually moderate. Feels like you're just doling out bans at your whim. A total power trip.
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C’mon Brit, get off your alternate account.
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Hey everyone DVontel doesn't think it possible for anyone to ever agree with Brit. No way!
I see you, my dude.
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Chopper0080
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I feel this is a valid concern.
My sense is they have 2 or 3 plays he can audible to in the formation so it's still doing what Petzing wants but with some control
Chopper0080
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TBF, Kyler is probably intending to say that no matter who gets hurt, you just have to continue to execute your offense. Next man up. It just is worded in a way that can be interpreted many different ways.
He does that all of the time. His early interviews were way worse.
They are both being stupid though. Kyler had no problem telling Kliff when stuff wasn't working.
Every great QB chimes in.
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