The Kyler Murray is mediocre thread

[BritCard]

Taking out garbage time Kyler has been the 4th worst QB in the league.

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[BritCard]

2nd worse in the league yesterday

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[kerouac9]

Taking out garbage time Kyler has been the 4th worst QB in the league.

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That's not what this chart says. He's the fourth least-efficient passer in the league.

 

[slanidrac16]

I’m befuddled at why some rush to prop him up.
Kurt Warner couldn’t win a race running against a cripple, yet he won with his arm.
The supporters say” Petzing needs to put in some more designed runs.” Ask yourself this…why?

I could be wrong but I seem to remember seeing charts showing Kyler intermediate passing stats being very poor. I believe that’s still the case.

Think off the big plays. A broken play for a td to MHJ. The broken play hitting MHJ on a deeper sideline pass. The insane scramble against the Raiders. The insane prayer against the Bills. Hard to remember Kyler dropping back and dropping 20 yard dimes.

If I were calling the plays this week I would would pull a Bilichek and pass the first 30 plays of the game. Everybody knew the first play Sunday was going to be a Connor run. On 2nd down We run 90% of the time no matter what the situation. We are designed to run and set up the pass. There are times you pass to set up the run.

We will never know but I think we are forced to play within Kyler’s limits.

The defense is what it is. But we are not going to win another game if we only score 14 pts. So let’s put the ball in Kyler’s hands and play like we are 14 pts. Down. Why? Because we can’t. The defense won’t defend like we are 14 pts. Down.

 

[Stout]

I am afraid we have seen all that KM can do. He is in his 6th year, and he still struggles reading defenses and finding the open receiver. He is unlikely to improve. He is an average QB who will occasionally have a great game. Would he be better with more talent on the OL and more experienced WR? Of course he would. However, he was the #1 draft pick, and he is making $40M a year. He should be making other players look good, not the other way around.

The frustrating part is I believe he could be an elite QB if he worked on his mental preparation of the game. He needs to know what receivers are open before the ball is snapped. He needs to know where the mismatches are. He needs to throw WR open instead of waiting for WR to get open and then throw the ball. All of this requires a lot of studying of game film. His deep ball was great when he was throwing to Hopkins. Now, not so good.

Unfortunately, it is very costly to release him, and I don't see a trade unless a GM completely losing his mind. Every year his next year's contract is guaranteed. His 2025 salary and roster bonus are already guaranteed, $40M. On March 22, 2025, $36M of his 2026 is guaranteed. On March 22, 2026, 19.5M of his 2027 salary is guaranteed. He is also due an option bonus of $7.2M in 2025, 2026 and 2027. Thank you, Steve Kiem.

I'll defend Kyler and say I don't think he can be elite by working on his mental preparation, because I believe he has been putting in all the mental preparation he can. Problem is, some QBs just will never have that elite processing speed. But I do think he is preparing as hard as he can.

 

[Mainstreet]

I expect a quarterback to be a playmaker in addition to their passing and running skills. They should have the ability to make defenses pay for their coverage. This is where I have the most questions. Kurt Warner made defenses pay with his quick decision-making.

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

#8 in QBR... above average and fringe elite. Exactly where he has been most his career. Needs a good roster to win a superbowl. We are far from a good roster.

Any belief outside of the above few sentences is splitting hairs and understandably emotional convo after we got our butts whooped.

 

[Goodyear Card]

#8 in QBR... above average and fringe elite. Exactly where he has been most his career. Needs a good roster to win a superbowl. We are far from a good roster.

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Patrick Mahomes is #16 and Jordan Love is #17. We should call KC and offer to trade KM for Mahomes. We could possibly get a second-round draft pick to make the deal equal.

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[slanidrac16]

Some will always run to the stat sheet. Its so much more than that.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I honestly don't know why there is a "Kyler Murray appreciation" thread that's being kept alive to get people here banned for speaking the truth. It's a discussion board, a thread where a handful of people lie to themselves to feel better serves no purpose.

Publicly whining about being banned gets you banned again. 3 days this time.

Keep it up and see where it goes.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Is he below average? I’m not so sure. A career passer rating of 92 and little better than 2-1 int/TD ratio. Career YPA of 7.0

He is probably right in the average category IMO as opposed to below average. Or mediocre. Sure he has some games like that but overall I think that’s probably a little hyperbolic. And we all know I’m a Kyler critic. Just because I don’t think we are getting enough return on the teams investment. IE draft status and salary he commands.

Yep he is average ish. 12-15 range. I have accepted it. Better Jake Plummer.

You can win with him but he needs talent to elevate him, not the other way around.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'll defend Kyler and say I don't think he can be elite by working on his mental preparation, because I believe he has been putting in all the mental preparation he can. Problem is, some QBs just will never have that elite processing speed. But I do think he is preparing as hard as he can.

Very fair take

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Some will always run to the stat sheet. Its so much more than that.

We are using made up stats even these days to make our point.

EPA is the most hilariously made up stuff ever. It's even more subjective than WAR.

 

[Stout]

#8 in QBR... above average and fringe elite. Exactly where he has been most his career. Needs a good roster to win a superbowl. We are far from a good roster.

Any belief outside of the above few sentences is splitting hairs and understandably emotional convo after we got our butts whooped.

Fringe elite? Now and his whole career? Certainly a fringe post.

 

[cardpa]

It's very apparent, and you have to ask, which teams usually build their offense around their running back? The answer in all examples I can think of, are ones that don't trust their QB to throw the ball.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Give this man a prize.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Kyler was asked what it was like to lose Marvin Harrison, Jr. during the course of the game. He said, "I just continue to execute what Drew calls."

Just seemed to be a robotic answer and again he defers to the OC regarding plays.

Didn't strike me as how most franchise QBs would answer the question. He constantly makes it seem like he is powerless in this offense when coaches have publicly stated that he has the green light when it comes to deciding to run on any play or not, we have seen him change a play at the line of scrimmage, etc..

 

[slanidrac16]

Kyler was asked what it was like to lose Marvin Harrison, Jr. during the course of the game. He said, "I just continue to execute what Drew calls."

Just seemed to be a robotic answer and again he defers to the OC regarding plays.

Didn't strike me as how most franchise QBs would answer the question. He constantly makes it seem like he is powerless in this offense when coaches have publicly stated that he has the green light when it comes to deciding to run on any play or not, we have seen him change a play at the line of scrimmage, etc..

I remember Warner saying after a passing play is called there were 3 options. As they broke the huddle he already knew who the ball was going to just glancing at the defense.

 

[schutd]

Publicly whining about being banned gets you banned again. 3 days this time.

Keep it up and see where it goes.

Whining?

Whining???

More like stating that he feels it inappropriate to ban people in a thread, regardless of it being an appreciation thread or not (the whole premise of not being able to counter opinions in a thread is ridiculous at face value anyhow) when they verbalize their disagreement with a stated opinion.

This is VERY heavy handed, and definitely not in the spirit of this board. Ban me or not, but this is a terrible moderator decision. Way overstepping, IMO.

The threat at the end of your post makes me question your ability to actually moderate. Feels like you're just doling out bans at your whim. A total power trip.

 

[DVontel]

Whining?

Whining???

More like stating that he feels it inappropriate to ban people in a thread, regardless of it being an appreciation thread or not (the whole premise of not being able to counter opinions in a thread is ridiculous at face value anyhow) when they verbalize their disagreement with a stated opinion.

This is VERY heavy handed, and definitely not in the spirit of this board. Ban me or not, but this is a terrible moderator decision. Way overstepping, IMO.

The threat at the end of your post makes me question your ability to actually moderate. Feels like you're just doling out bans at your whim. A total power trip.

C’mon Brit, get off your alternate account.

 

[schutd]

C’mon Brit, get off your alternate account.

Hey everyone DVontel doesn't think it possible for anyone to ever agree with Brit. No way!

I see you, my dude.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Whining?

Whining???

More like stating that he feels it inappropriate to ban people in a thread, regardless of it being an appreciation thread or not (the whole premise of not being able to counter opinions in a thread is ridiculous at face value anyhow) when they verbalize their disagreement with a stated opinion.

This is VERY heavy handed, and definitely not in the spirit of this board. Ban me or not, but this is a terrible moderator decision. Way overstepping, IMO.

The threat at the end of your post makes me question your ability to actually moderate. Feels like you're just doling out bans at your whim. A total power trip.

2) Moderators' decisions are final. Our moderators are all unpaid volunteers who are looking out for the best interests of our members. We want to help each and every member get the best experience possible on our board, but there will always be individuals who choose to break the rules and be banned. Moderators' decisions are final. THERE IS NO PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THIS.

From the Cardinals rules. Here is your 1 day break.

 

[Chopper0080]

Kyler was asked what it was like to lose Marvin Harrison, Jr. during the course of the game. He said, "I just continue to execute what Drew calls."

Just seemed to be a robotic answer and again he defers to the OC regarding plays.

Didn't strike me as how most franchise QBs would answer the question. He constantly makes it seem like he is powerless in this offense when coaches have publicly stated that he has the green light when it comes to deciding to run on any play or not, we have seen him change a play at the line of scrimmage, etc..

I feel this is a valid concern.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kyler was asked what it was like to lose Marvin Harrison, Jr. during the course of the game. He said, "I just continue to execute what Drew calls."

Just seemed to be a robotic answer and again he defers to the OC regarding plays.

Didn't strike me as how most franchise QBs would answer the question. He constantly makes it seem like he is powerless in this offense when coaches have publicly stated that he has the green light when it comes to deciding to run on any play or not, we have seen him change a play at the line of scrimmage, etc..

My sense is they have 2 or 3 plays he can audible to in the formation so it's still doing what Petzing wants but with some control

 

[Chopper0080]

TBF, Kyler is probably intending to say that no matter who gets hurt, you just have to continue to execute your offense. Next man up. It just is worded in a way that can be interpreted many different ways.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

TBF, Kyler is probably intending to say that no matter who gets hurt, you just have to continue to execute your offense. Next man up. It just is worded in a way that can be interpreted many different ways.

He does that all of the time. His early interviews were way worse.

They are both being stupid though. Kyler had no problem telling Kliff when stuff wasn't working.

Every great QB chimes in.