Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Hoop Head]

It should be noted it’s unlikely another team would take on his salary.

The no-trade only says he has to be okay with his new destination.

No trade clauses are bad. I can see it at the end of someone's career like if LeBron wanted one in LA now or Nash had wanted one in his last years here. Before a player is essentially 2-3 years from retiring though it's foolish to give them that leverage. I wouldn't even give Booker one if he asked now. 35+ Years of age would keep issues of it being a negative asset down.


To be fair, I see nothing wrong with handshake deals. If Ishbia and Book had one, I'd respect it and if either side broke the terms then I'd take the side of the one who didn't. To write it into a legally binding contract is too much, IMO.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Kids got the right work ethic

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The Suns really are financially in a bind. Absolutely no way out. I was thinking that Dunn's immediate emergence, the fact that he hit the ground running, creates pressure to hurry up and trade Beal for being not vitally important. But they can't, because of his no-trade clause. I certainly wouldn't trade one of the other two stars.

Not sure why a rookie forward emerging quickly means we need to trade Beal. If anything his emergence along with signing such good PGs for so cheap buys us time from having to make a move. While Beal's contract is a bit of an anchor he does at least give us a legitimate 3rd scoring threat and if he can be moved to the bench without drama he could be a damn good 6th man. If Beal continues to have injury issues than Dunn's emergence (along with picking up guys like Tyus and Monte) means that we can shoulder that loss more seamlessly.

 

[95pro]

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Just something I noticed early is that Beal has been stuck in a corner since he’s no longer the point guard.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just something I noticed early is that Beal has been stuck in a corner since he’s no longer the point guard.

I think Beal shooting more threes is my choice and running Bud's system.

He likes to get in the lane and create. Some of those point guard habits tend to die hard.

 

[Proximo]

Just something I noticed early is that Beal has been stuck in a corner since he’s no longer the point guard.

Yeah, that's not really surprising. Tyus brings the ball up and booker and KD will be the wings - he pretty much has to start in the corner with those guys in the lineup.

 

[Proximo]

I think Beal shooting more threes is my choice and running Bud's system.

He likes to get in the lane and create. Some of those point guard habits tend to die hard.

This is the fundamental problem with the team - he does not fit.

He would somewhat fit if he is used as the 6th man - but even if that was done - the cap space would be better utilized on other positions when we already have Grayson and Book as SG's that demand playing time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is the fundamental problem with the team - he does not fit.

He would somewhat fit if he is used as the 6th man - but even if that was done - the cap space would be better utilized on other positions when we already have Grayson and Book as SG's that demand playing time.

If Beal’s healthy, he demands playing time over Grayson. That dude is never shooting the rock like that again. He’s a good shooter… 40% from three, but last year was an all time season. It wasn’t the norm nor should we expect it to be.

 

[Proximo]

If Beal’s healthy, he demands playing time over Grayson. That dude is never shooting the rock like that again. He’s a good shooter… 40% from three, but last year was an all time season. It wasn’t the norm nor should we expect it to be.

If Beal's role is to sit in the corner and wait to shoot a 3 most of the time - who is better at that - Grayson or Beal.

With Book and KD both on the floor we are never going to get the full value out of Beal - especially because he makes us undersized and worse at defense and rebounding than someone like Dunn or another forward.

I guess what I am saying is that both Dunn or Grayson would be a better starter than Beal, but unfortunately due to his contract and ego we aren't going to do that.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

If Beal's role is to sit in the corner and wait to shoot a 3 most of the time - who is better at that - Grayson or Beal.

With Book and KD both on the floor we are never going to get the full value out of Beal - especially because he makes us undersized and worse at defense and rebounding than someone like Dunn or another forward.

I guess what I am saying is that both Dunn or Grayson would be a better starter than Beal, but unfortunately due to his contract and ego we aren't going to do that.

I see your point, but who is more likely to attack the inevitable close outs? Beal may not be quite as good of a spot up shooter as Allen, but he is much better when asked to attack close outs.

 

[Ronin]

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[Proximo]

If Beal’s healthy, he demands playing time over Grayson. That dude is never shooting the rock like that again. He’s a good shooter… 40% from three, but last year was an all time season. It wasn’t the norm nor should we expect it to be.

Grayson may not shoot 47% again but I bet you he still will shoot 42-45% this year.

 

[Proximo]

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I know people will not believe this from me, but I actually believe this is possible if Dunn keeps playing like this. I think he is that important.

OKC is clearly number 1, but I think we can compete with Dallas and Minnesota for 2nd.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If Beal's role is to sit in the corner and wait to shoot a 3 most of the time - who is better at that - Grayson or Beal.

Huh? The convo was about how good Beal would be off the bench. That’s what his role should be because it’s a waste for him to just be on the corner and be a mid-defender at best.

And Allen should be nowhere near the starting lineup. He’s a good bench player and having a backcourt of him and Beal off the bench I think would be ideal.

With Book and KD both on the floor we are never going to get the full value out of Beal - especially because he makes us undersized and worse at defense and rebounding than someone like Dunn or another forward.

I guess what I am saying is that both Dunn or Grayson would be a better starter than Beal, but unfortunately due to his contract and ego we aren't going to do that.

I think almost everyone agrees with that, but if somehow we could transition him to the bench, his impact on second unit should stand in front of Grayson’s.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I know people will not believe this from me, but I actually believe this is possible if Dunn keeps playing like this. I think he is that important.

OKC is clearly number 1, but I think we can compete with Dallas and Minnesota for 2nd.

I mean they did win 49 games last year with less depth and no point guards. They should certainly win at least 50+ games as long as they don't have major injury issues.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I know people will not believe this from me, but I actually believe this is possible if Dunn keeps playing like this. I think he is that important.

OKC is clearly number 1, but I think we can compete with Dallas and Minnesota for 2nd.

Yeah… if he is a good rotation player, that plugs a glaring hole this team has.

And it probably allows them to use Allen/Royce and picks to try and get another serviceable big at some point.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I mean they did win 49 games last year with less depth and no point guards. They should certainly win at least 50+ games as long as they don't have major injury issues.

We got pretty lucky with KD last year though. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him fall back to only about 55-60 games this season.

But they’re definitely better on paper.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

We got pretty lucky with KD last year though. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him fall back to only about 55-60 games this season.

But they’re definitely better on paper.

True. We also have to consider them adjusting to Bud's style of offense. We should be top 5 in three point attempts this year and we were just 24th last year. That is a pretty major change in philosophy, but one that I imagine the players will embrace.

 

[Chaplin]

We haven't seen the final version of Bud's offense.

The only thing that has been abundantly clear is that Bol Bol STILL parks in the corner on every offensive possession. I would hope that changes at least a little bit with coach Bud.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I know people will not believe this from me, but I actually believe this is possible if Dunn keeps playing like this. I think he is that important.

OKC is clearly number 1, but I think we can compete with Dallas and Minnesota for 2nd.

I wouldn't be that surprised at all...would be a classic Suns team. (Undersized regular season beasts that get beat up in the playoffs)

I think Dallas and Minnesota will take a step back this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I wouldn't be that surprised at all...would be a classic Suns team. (Undersized regular season beasts that get beat up in the playoffs)

I think Dallas and Minnesota will take a step back this year.

Yeah… even if the offense comes together and we’re pretty healthy, we’re a solid Big away from being able to really matchup with Minnesota or OKC. Dallas is more of a toss-up for me if the O is running on all cylinders.

 

[Ronin]

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