Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[kerouac9]

We share some of the same guys at the top.

Putting Purdy above Burrow is lunacy for me.

You would trade K1 for
Stafford
Purdy
Prescott
Hurts
Stroud
Herbert
Goff

Those guys would be awful on this team and I don’t think any of them are better than K1. Goff is the only guy I could make an argument for.

Burrow has lost some of his luster the past two seasons for me. Still way good, but Purdy was in the NFC Championship game and Super Bowl the past two seasons. It’s time to take him seriously.

If salary and age (meaning the next 3 years) weren’t a factor, I’d take any of these guys on my list ahead of Kyler.

People are out over their skis following walk-off wins against teams who are a combined 6-11.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Burrow has lost some of his luster the past two seasons for me. Still way good, but Purdy was in the NFC Championship game and Super Bowl the past two seasons. It’s time to take him seriously.

If salary and age (meaning the next 3 years) weren’t a factor, I’d take any of these guys on my list ahead of Kyler.

People are out over their skis following walk-off wins against teams who are a combined 6-11.

I am specifically thinking salary and age because when we talk replacing him, we have to

 

[DVontel]

Well that was your first mistake right there.

Tbh, the Ringer guys aren’t much better, if at all.

 

[602 Native]

Well that was your first mistake right there.

Seriously, who wants to listen to Mike Florio voluntarily.

 

[602 Native]

People are out over their skis following walk-off wins against teams who are a combined 6-11.

No one had this attitude going into those games.

Plenty of people on the board were saying we would lose to the Chargers and the Dolphins. Now that we have won those games this is the sentiment. Laughable and I already know what would have been said about K1 had we lost.

 

[SoonerLou]

Seriously, who wants to listen to Mike Florio voluntarily.

Pro Football Focus podcast, not Pro Football Talk

 

[602 Native]

Pro Football Focus podcast, not Pro Football Talk

Gotcha my bad

 

[kerouac9]

Tbh, the Ringer guys aren’t much better, if at all.

I don’t listen to them either. I’m Kevin Clark, Bill Barnwell, and the Athletic

 

[SoonerLou]

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[kerouac9]

No one had this attitude going into those games.

Plenty of people on the board were saying we would lose to the Chargers and the Dolphins. Now that we have won those games this is the sentiment. Laughable and I already know what would have been said about K1 had we lost.

Kyler had one good run against the Chargers and one good half against Miami. No one should be taking a victory lap.

 

[DVontel]

Anyways…

One thing I CAN thank Monti for is giving Kyler & the offense some bullies at WR. Marv, Michael, Zay, & Higgins(if you wanna count him) are all at least 6’2 or taller. As opposed to working with Hollywood, Rondale, Isabella, Byrd, & Kirk who all were under 6’0. Even Hopkins is shorter than all those listed in the former. Fitz & AJ were washed.

 

[SoonerLou]

Anyways…

One thing I CAN thank Monti for is giving Kyler & the offense some bullies at WR. Marv, Michael, Zay, & Higgins(if you wanna count him) are all at least 6’2 or taller. As opposed to working with Hollywood, Rondale, Isabella, Byrd, & Kirk who all were under 6’0. Even Hopkins is shorter than all those listed in the former. Fitz & AJ were washed.

Very Titans esque.

 

[Stout]

How would someone be clutch in loses? LOL

By playing lights out and well enough to win the game but being let down by other parts of the team. Pretty obvious. Playing conservative and risk-averse in certain losses is the opposite of clutch.

 

[Stout]

I am specifically thinking salary and age because when we talk replacing him, we have to

It's an exercise in fantasy either way, so no, salary and age don't enter into it. It's not like we're able to replace Kyler with Goff, for instance.

 

[602 Native]

By playing lights out and well enough to win the game but being let down by other parts of the team. Pretty obvious. Playing conservative and risk-averse in certain losses is the opposite of clutch.

Clutch has never been associated with losing no matter the context.

No one said K1 was clutch last year when he drove the team down to be in position to win and Prater doinked a FG for the win.

You guys aren’t being serious again.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Not in these categories:

Completions (12)
Attempts (14)
Completion % (12)
Yards (17)
TDs (12)
First Downs Passing (16)
Longest completed pass (17)
Yards per attempt (20)
Adjusted YPA (15)
Yards per completion (21) OOF!
Yards per game (22)
Passer rating (11)
Net Yards per attempt (15)
Adjusted Net Yards per attempt (12)
Intended Air Yards (14)
Intended Air Yards per attempt (14)
Completed Air Yards (11)
Completed Air Yards per Completion (11)
Completed Air Yards per attempt (12)
Passing Yards After Catch (22)
Passing Yards After Catch per Completion (28!!! Lower than Jacoby Brissett! 0.2 YAC/C more than Deshaun Watson!)

BUT IF YOU DON'T COUNT ALL THOSE DEFINITELY TOP 10

This is a flawed way to look at these stats. For instance, if a QB was 10th in every one of these stats would he be the 10th best QB in the league? No, the reality is that he would probably be closer to a top 5 QB because some QBs will be higher than 10 in some areas and lower in others. Kyler is in the top half of the league in 14 of those 21 stats and that in spite of being in a run heavy offense which will mean lower totals and per game numbers.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

How would someone be clutch in loses? LOL

Suppose the idea is that if they were clutch (in close losses at least) they wouldn't have been losses.

 

[602 Native]

Suppose the idea is that if they were clutch (in close losses at least) they wouldn't have been losses.

Unfortunately that’s not what he I saying

 

[BritCard]

Clutch has never been associated with losing no matter the context.

No one said K1 was clutch last year when he drove the team down to be in position to win and Prater doinked a FG for the win.

You guys aren’t being serious again.

In the 3 comeback wins over half the yards on the final drive have come from Conner and they have all been won by the kicker. Not sure what clutch plays you're thinking of.

 

[WisconsinCard]

In the 3 comeback wins over half the yards on the final drive have come from Conner and they have all been won by the kicker. Not sure what clutch plays you're thinking of.

Now that just hating to hate. Someone has to get those players in position to be successful. Someone has to deliver them the ball, and someone has to call the correct plays.
Those all fall under K1 in the two minutes offense. And I'm no Kyler backer but you have to give him his props when they're earned.

 

[602 Native]

In the 3 comeback wins over half the yards on the final drive have come from Conner and they have all been won by the kicker. Not sure what clutch plays you're thinking of.

The Never Murray’s are full of comedy

 

[WisconsinCard]

The Never Murray’s are full of comedy

So are the "always Murrays". But as they say the truth lies somewhere in the middle

 

[602 Native]

So are the "always Murrays". But as they say the truth lies somewhere in the middle

And yet you agreed with my take.

 

[WisconsinCard]

And yet you agreed with my take.

I think you're seeing ghosts. I didn't like/agree with anything.

 

[SECTION 11]

In the 3 comeback wins over half the yards on the final drive have come from Conner and they have all been won by the kicker. Not sure what clutch plays you're thinking of.

This is a very weak take. Probably more importantly is that I guarantee you nobody in the locker room agrees with this nonsense.