09 NBA Finals- Lakers Vs Magic series thread

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If the Magic are going to win a game, they need to give Kobe his 35+ points per game and try scoring more than 75. They lost because 75 points will not beat the Lakers. Howard's range is "dunk". He is so sloppy shooting from 3 feet. He gets there, but can't finish it. I think the Jameer Nelson insertion could end up hurting the magic. Hedo is the mismatch out front.
 

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LMFAO! Haters gonna hate.

Haters, they gonna hate.

And why is hating in this context a bad thing? In fact its the exact opposite.. The Laker Hater Nation is a proud Nation.. We must make a stand to distance ourselves from Lakers fans.. In no way shape or form would we wanna be confused for even one second as a Lakers fan.. The Laker Hater Nation is the same people who hate the Cowboys and the Yankees and their dimwit fans.. Yes, we are a proud bunch.. Proud not to be associated with the piss yellow and purple..

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If the Magic are going to win a game, they need to give Kobe his 35+ points per game and try scoring more than 75. They lost because 75 points will not beat the Lakers. Howard's range is "dunk". He is so sloppy shooting from 3 feet. He gets there, but can't finish it. I think the Jameer Nelson insertion could end up hurting the magic. Hedo is the mismatch out front.
Since they let Kobe have 40, I am thinking S. Van Gundy forgot to tell them "score more than 75."
 

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Wow what a boring game 1, Magic never got off the bus and Nelson I think is hurting them more than helping. Hard to tell as the whole magic team just played like crap and no one was hitting shots. Terrible game to watch hope it gets more interesting than that!
 

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What kind of dope even plays Jameer Nelson after you just beat a 66 win team in six games without him?

When they are posting him up with Derek Fisher, you know something is wrong.

Bring Jameer in in Orlando or something, last night it was a mistake to play him. It looked like he was favoring his right arm.
 

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I still cannot fathom why a Lakers fan in the midst of watching his team dominate in an NBA Finals game would waste his time rubbing it in people face on a Phoenix Suns board. Your team is dominating and on there way to probably winning a title. Am I jealous? Heck yah I am jealous. I desperately wish the Suns were playing for the title right now. I don't take anything away from the Lakers, cause they are proving to the world they are the best team in basketball. I hate them more than anything in the world, but I can admit they are the best. But I still do not understand why you waste your time gloating in a Phoenix Suns forum. Why not celebrate with fellow Lakers fans?

Lakers fans, please respond to this. I sincerely want to understand why you guys choose to be like this.

Being a huge Cardinals fan, I simply can't fathom myself watching the Cardinals play the Steelers in the Super Bowl and me choosing to be discussing it on a St. Louis Rams message board. I really don't understand the reasoning for you being in a Phoenix Suns message board. Please explain.
 

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Lakers fans, please respond to this. I sincerely want to understand why you guys choose to be like this.

Being a huge Cardinals fan, I simply can't fathom myself watching the Cardinals play the Steelers in the Super Bowl and me choosing to be discussing it on a St. Louis Rams message board. I really don't understand the reasoning for you being in a Phoenix Suns message board. Please explain.

I'll try, even though I'm not sure who you're talking about specifically. I have posted some of my thoughts on the Lakers, but I have been very careful to never "rub it in" as I feel that's a classless act. There is no point or satisfaction to just trying to rub it in to Suns fans, if I personally have come across that way then I apologize as it was not my intent. As for why I even post here, I originally came to this forum to talk Cardinals. I lost interest in the Cardinals forum for reasons I won't say here, but noticed a few other Laker fans and got to talking with them. Normally I just reply here to topics that involve the Lakers or other NBA teams, I rarely comment on the Suns. To the best of my knowledge I have never started a Laker related topic here, in fact most Laker topics on this forum are started by Suns fans. The bulk of my posts now will likely be confined to the Sub Forum and Smack Shack, if the Suns fans want this to be a Suns only forum I respect that. If, and it's still a big IF the Lakers win the title this year, I would like to suggest that my fellow Laker fans show some class and don't come here to rub it in. If they win, I'm going to enjoy it yes, but that enjoyment won't be heightened by rubbing it anyones face.
 

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I'll try, even though I'm not sure who you're talking about specifically. I have posted some of my thoughts on the Lakers, but I have been very careful to never "rub it in" as I feel that's a classless act. There is no point or satisfaction to just trying to rub it in to Suns fans, if I personally have come across that way then I apologize as it was not my intent. As for why I even post here, I originally came to this forum to talk Cardinals. I lost interest in the Cardinals forum for reasons I won't say here, but noticed a few other Laker fans and got to talking with them. Normally I just reply here to topics that involve the Lakers or other NBA teams, I rarely comment on the Suns. To the best of my knowledge I have never started a Laker related topic here, in fact most Laker topics on this forum are started by Suns fans. The bulk of my posts now will likely be confined to the Sub Forum and Smack Shack, if the Suns fans want this to be a Suns only forum I respect that. If, and it's still a big IF the Lakers win the title this year, I would like to suggest that my fellow Laker fans show some class and don't come here to rub it in. If they win, I'm going to enjoy it yes, but that enjoyment won't be heightened by rubbing it anyones face.

Thanks for the response. Classy and understandable. I can respect that. What about the rest of you Laker fans? I am simply asking out of curiosity.
 

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Shouldn't this be moved to the "Other NBA Talk" forum?

I PM'd the mod about getting all these moved but haven't heard back yet. I assume they are just busy and these threads will be moved when they have the time.
 

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Lakers fans, please respond to this. I sincerely want to understand why you guys choose to be like this.

Being a huge Cardinals fan, I simply can't fathom myself watching the Cardinals play the Steelers in the Super Bowl and me choosing to be discussing it on a St. Louis Rams message board. I really don't understand the reasoning for you being in a Phoenix Suns message board. Please explain.

Your example would make sense if you were a Cards fan that lived in Missouri and the message board said "Discuss anything concerning the Rams or the NFL."

This has never been a Phoenix Suns ONLY forum.

It has always read: Discuss Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash or anything else concerning the Suns or the NBA.

So other fans coming to the forum to talk about their teams should not be a surprise. :shrug:
 
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I am not saying that they are not allowed or permitted to talk here. That wasn't the point. Geographical location doesn't have much to do with it when you are talking about "the world wide web". It's not like it's easier for me to access the site because I live in AZ then it would be for me to access it if I lived in Missouri so I don't get where geographical location would come into play regardless.
 

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I am not saying that they are not allowed or permitted to talk here. That wasn't the point. Geographical location doesn't have much to do with it when you are talking about "the world wide web". It's not like it's easier for me to access the site because I live in AZ then it would be for me to access it if I lived in Missouri so I don't get where geographical location would come into play regardless.

What don't you get then?

This is where we come to talk sports.

It does not have to be Arizona sports.

If you're a fan of multiple teams because you moved in your life...should you post on multiple message boards?

Most people post here because they've built relationships and the board is like family.
 

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What don't you get then?

This is where we come to talk sports.

It does not have to be Arizona sports.

If you're a fan of multiple teams because you moved in your life...should you post on multiple message boards?

Most people post here because they've built relationships and the board is like family.

I hear the "board is like family" thing a lot and that is cool. But when people constantly argue and intentionally try to piss each other of and create problems with each other (this is not just Lakers fans it's everyone including me at times) then the "family" thing doesn't make much sense it just sounds good. Plus I would never have a Lakers fan in my family. :) just playin.

I am not trying to argue with anyone Brian I was just curious as to the motive in talking Lakers in a Phoenix Suns dominant message board. I haven't been confrontational, I just asked. If people are classy and respectful then I don't care what team they root for.

But the site is called "Arizona Sports Fans" therefore I am sure it was designed to discuss Arizona Sports given that the thread titles are "Arizona Cardinals", "Phoenix Suns", and "Arizona Cardinals" which leads me to believe they were organized to discuss predominantly those teams.

Like I said I am completely fine with whoever comes here as long as we are all respectful of each other (not that it even matters cause I have zero authority to do anything even if I did care). It just always seems to create confrontation and animosity on the board and that sucks for everyone, so I was simply asking why they chose to talk Lakers here. Thats all. I apologize if I offended you with anything I said that wasn't my intent.
 
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I hear the "board is like family" thing a lot and that is cool. But when people constantly argue and intentionally try to piss each other of and create problems with each other (this is not just Lakers fans it's everyone including me at times) then the "family" thing doesn't make much sense it just sounds good.

I am not trying to argue with anyone Brian I was just curious as to the motive in talking Lakers in a Phoenix Suns dominant message board. I haven't been confrontational, I just asked. If people are classy and respectful then I don't care what team they root for.

But the site is called "Arizona Sports Fans" therefore I am sure it was designed to discuss Arizona Sports given that the thread titles are "Arizona Cardinals", "Phoenix Suns", and "Arizona Cardinals" which leads me to believe they were organized to discuss predominantly those teams.

Like I said I am completely fine with whoever comes here as long as we are all respectful of each other (not that it even matters cause I have zero authority to do anything even if I did care). It just always seems to create confrontation and animosity on the board and that sucks for everyone, so I was simply asking why they chose to talk Lakers here. Thats all. I apologize if I offended you with anything I said that wasn't my intent.

No offense taken.

We're just talking about the NBA on a board which has always been about the Suns and the NBA.

If we were Magic fans people here probably wouldn't care, but we're Lakers fans so we're scum.

Heck, fans of other NFL teams are more accepted on the main board. The Suns fans are a tense bunch. :D
 

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Thats a small price to pay when you decide that the most successful franchise in NBA is going to be your favorite team. The most successful teams are always going to be the most hated teams for 2 reasons: A) Because they are experiencing the success that every fan of every other team wishes their team was having. and B) They are always the teams that have the most bandwagon fans onboard.

As long as Lakers fans are vocal and support the Lakers at times when they are struggling and not contenders then I am fine. However, those that only vocalize their love for the Lakers when the Lakers are contending for the title drive me insane. 2 years ago there was very little talk about the Lakers and only the real Lakers fans were being vocal and now that the Lakers are the best again all the Lakers fans have come out of the woodworks to be obnoxious (I am not referring to the fans on the board just the fans in general). I know this happens with every team that experiences success to an extent, but it seems to be more dramatic with the Lakers and their following.

Also I am one who is of the belief that Sports is a state pride thing (not that I am right or wrong in my belief). Therefore, it has always really bothered me when you have an Arizona boy be a Lakers fan, or a Yankees/Red Sox fan, or Steelers fan, or Patriots fans. Fans that blindly follow success drive me crazy as well as those who only follow their team when they experience success.

My point is that no Lakers fan who wasn't passionately supporting and fighting for the Lakers a few years ago when the Suns were better and knocking them out of the playoffs every year shouldn't be talking now.

(Nothing in here is meant to accuse any of the Laker fans on here of being bandwagon fans.)
 
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Thats a small price to pay when you decide that the most successful franchise in NBA is going to be your favorite team. The most successful teams are always going to be the most hated teams for 2 reasons: A) Because they are experiencing the success that every fan of every other team wishes their team was having. and B) They are always the teams that have the most bandwagon fans onboard.

How right you are! I am normally a person that likes the underdog teams which is what made the Cardinals so easy for me to adopt when I moved to AZ. To be honest, the Lakers are a team I would probably hate if I wasn't born where I was. Growing up, everyone was a Laker fan it was just the way it was. If I was from anywhere else, I would likely hate them the same way I hate the Yankees, Detroit Redwings, etc. I actually saw a positive to the few years that the Lakers were rebuilding because it was interesting to see how many people were still "fans" during that period.

As long as Lakers fans are vocal and support the Lakers at times when they are struggling and not contenders then I am fine. However, those that only vocalize their love for the Lakers when the Lakers are contending for the title drive me insane.
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm this way on the Cardinals too, even though I try to welcome new fans, I always have to ask "will you still be here if we tank again?" It happens with every team, but it's amplified with the Lakers because there are just SO DAMN MANY bandwagon fans.

Also I am one who is of the belief that Sports is a state pride thing (not that I am right or wrong in my belief). Therefore, it has always really bothered me when you have an Arizona boy be a Lakers fan, or a Yankees/Red Sox fan, or Steelers fan, or Patriots fans. Fans that blindly follow success drive me crazy as well as those who only follow their team when they experience success.
This is an argument that's always interested me. First of all, let me start by saying I see your point 100% because I hate Cowboy fans that live in AZ. That makes me a hypocrite, I know that, I just can't help it. Your philosophy sounds good and all, but it's hard to just abandon your team because of where you live. If I suddenly found myself moving to say Seattle because of my job I don't think I could just abandon the Cardinals and start following the hated Seahawks. Do you think you could do that? If you suddenly found yourself living in the state of another team, could you adopt that team? Again, not being confrontational, I'm genuinely curious. Usually when I try to discuss this topic with people that believe this way, they just reply with insults, I'm interested to hear the other side. I love living in AZ, I have no desire to move back to CA, I just can't bring myself to abandon the team I have loved for so long and embrace a team I hate because I live in the city they play in.

My point is that no Lakers fan who wasn't passionately supporting and fighting for the Lakers a few years ago when the Suns were better and knocking them out of the playoffs every year shouldn't be talking now.
And you are 100% correct! But even those of us that did stick with our team in the bad times should have enough class not to rub it in. I personally remember how bad/angry I felt when the Lakers blew a 3-1 lead and lost to the Suns. The Suns deserved that win, they were the better team, but the last thing I wanted to hear was someone taunting me over it. That's just a low class move, and what goes around comes around, so it's a good practice to avoid for fans of any team.
 
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This is an argument that's always interested me. First of all, let me start by saying I see your point 100% because I hate Cowboy fans that live in AZ. That makes me a hypocrite, I know that, I just can't help it. Your philosophy sounds good and all, but it's hard to just abandon your team because of where you live. If I suddenly found myself moving to say Seattle because of my job I don't think I could just abandon the Cardinals and start following the hated Seahawks. Do you think you could do that? If you suddenly found yourself living in the state of another team, could you adopt that team? Again, not being confrontational, I'm genuinely curious. Usually when I try to discuss this topic with people that believe this way, they just reply with insults, I'm interested to hear the other side. I love living in AZ, I have no desire to move back to CA, I just can't bring myself to abandon the team I have loved for so long and embrace a team I hate because I live in the city they play in.

Oh no, no, no. I would never denounce the Cardinals, Suns, or DBacks regardless of where I would move. I find both of your circumstances fine because you have ties to both places and am sure take pride in both places. If someone grows up in one state and moves to the other I have no problem in them liking either of them or both. I am speaking more to the people who have no ties whatsoever but base their fandom simply off of the previous or current success of a given team. Like the Yankee fan who was born and raised in Arizona and hasn't even ever been to New York or even knows anyone who lives there yet they love the Yankees. You know what I mean?
 

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Oh no, no, no. I would never denounce the Cardinals, Suns, or DBacks regardless of where I would move. I find both of your circumstances fine because you have ties to both places and am sure take pride in both places. If someone grows up in one state and moves to the other I have no problem in them liking either of them or both. I am speaking more to the people who have no ties whatsoever but base their fandom simply off of the previous or current success of a given team. Like the Yankee fan who was born and raised in Arizona and hasn't even ever been to New York or even knows anyone who lives there yet they love the Yankees. You know what I mean?

I understand perfectly yes. We are in total agreement on this issue. :D
 

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Thats a small price to pay when you decide that the most successful franchise in NBA is going to be your favorite team.

That's on my parents, both Suns fans, who got married and moved to Los Angeles before having me. I was a kid in L.A. in the 70's. The Lakers were the first sports team I ever followed and my favorite player was Norm Nixon. Ironically, in hindsight, that was the same time the Suns were in their first Finals, etc. I'd have been a real bandwagoner if I took them as my team because of their success. :D

As long as Lakers fans are vocal and support the Lakers at times when they are struggling and not contenders then I am fine.

Agree. I'm vocal all the time, win or lose.

Oh no, no, no. I would never denounce the Cardinals, Suns, or DBacks regardless of where I would move. I find both of your circumstances fine because you have ties to both places and am sure take pride in both places. If someone grows up in one state and moves to the other I have no problem in them liking either of them or both. I am speaking more to the people who have no ties whatsoever but base their fandom simply off of the previous or current success of a given team. Like the Yankee fan who was born and raised in Arizona and hasn't even ever been to New York or even knows anyone who lives there yet they love the Yankees. You know what I mean?

I know people like this also. Usually when someone states they are a fan of a team in another city I ask where they lived in the state that team is from, etc. to try and figure out why they root for that team.

Good discussion, binkar.
 

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My point is that no Lakers fan who wasn't passionately supporting and fighting for the Lakers a few years ago when the Suns were better and knocking them out of the playoffs every year shouldn't be talking now.

That sounds like D'Antoni is speaking through you. Lakers still have won something like 7 of 11 playoff series vs. the Suns. We're not worried. :D
 

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Why is this still on the Suns board?
 

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Why is this still on the Suns board?

The bigger question is why are there Laker fans in PHX.. And to get deeper, why are Laker fans in PHX that are Cards fans.. Its a conflict of interest.. The real PHX folks only love PHX teams.. yup... I said it..
 

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The bigger question is why are there Laker fans in PHX.. And to get deeper, why are Laker fans in PHX that are Cards fans.. Its a conflict of interest.. The real PHX folks only love PHX teams.. yup... I said it..

It's not a conflict of interest at all. Different teams in different sports.

You're not from here either, but none of us would be busting your balls if you cheered for a team from Wisconsin or Colorado.
 

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