2011 Draft Thread

[JCSunsfan]

We need to be looking at Jimmer Fredette, Kenneth Faried, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight.

 

[Mainstreet]

not to mention, at the but end of the lotto, you're not likely to find a franchise player because high schoolers are out of the draft now. Guys with THAT much potential actually show it for a year in college which makes them high picks, whereas a Kobe, Amare, Bynum, O'Neal, McGrady could be potential franchise guys because they were high schoolers. that ain't the case anymore.

The college freshman in the draft have somewhat replaced the high school players in the draft. They are coming into the draft after only seeing them play only one year in college. I still view them as risky picks (boom or bust) where a potential franchise type player can drop within reach if a team is lucky and possesses good scouting. I still remember when the Suns drafted Nash at #15 and he graduated from Santa Clara before entering the draft. I'm just saying there will be some gold nuggets drop especially if they eventually land with the right team and the right system for them. I just think it is just harder to find the gems that are not polished already or for some reason, fall in the draft. Sometimes it takes players years to develop.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The college freshman in the draft have somewhat replaced the high school players in the draft. They are coming into the draft after only seeing them play only one year in college. I still view them as risky picks (boom or bust) where a potential franchise type player can drop within reach if a team is lucky and possesses good scouting. I still remember when the Suns drafted Nash at #15 and he graduated from Santa Clara before entering the draft. I'm just saying there will be some gold nuggets drop especially if they eventually land with the right team and the right system for them. I just think it is just harder to find the gems that are not polished already or for some reason, fall in the draft. Sometimes it takes players years to develop.

Funny. Doesn't it seem that NBA scouts drool all over freshmen because they imagine such inflated upside, but they seem to miss the seniors who have produced consistently for 4 years.

 

[slinslin]

Funny. Doesn't it seem that NBA scouts drool all over freshmen because they imagine such inflated upside, but they seem to miss the seniors who have produced consistently for 4 years.

I can't think of too many NBA star quality players who stayed in college 4 years.

 

[Mainstreet]

Anyone know how the Suns late second round selection, Dwayne Collins, is doing in Italy? I'd really would like to see him develop. I was just wondering if he has made any progress.

 

[SirStefan32]

Anyone know how the Suns late second round selection, Dwayne Collins, is doing in Italy? I'd really would like to see him develop. I was just wondering if he has made any progress.

I seem to remember reading that he got hurt at the very beginning of the season and hasn't played since. I might be confusing him with someone else though, I am not really sure.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I seem to remember reading that he got hurt at the very beginning of the season and hasn't played since. I might be confusing him with someone else though, I am not really sure.

Hopefully, you're thinking of Gani Lawal. I say hopefully because it would really suck if the same thing has happened to both of our long shot draft picks this season. He missed summer ball because of a surgical procedure but I haven't heard anything about Collins since he opted for Europe.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

Harrison Barnes is a potential franchise player that could maybe be on the board in the later lottery since he has been under the radar for the first part of the college season.

He began the season as the projected #1 pick and did not meet the expectations because of how Roy Williams used him but recently he came into his own..

26/6 and 25/6 the last 2 games and he could potentially play SG in the NBA at 6'8-6'9.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/boxscore?gid=201103120413

Too bad he will now be in the top 7 most likely I guess...

40/8 yesterday he is a really good shooter already at 6'8 has good size as a G/F.

 

[leclerc]

Pretty good article on Perry Jones.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/magazine/mag-13Player-t.html

 

[slinslin]

We need to be looking at Jimmer Fredette, Kenneth Faried, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight.

uh no why?

The first 2 shouldn't be in the first round, and the latter 2 would be goo at #20 but we simply need to get the BPA.

 

[JCSunsfan]

uh no why?

The first 2 shouldn't be in the first round, and the latter 2 would be goo at #20 but we simply need to get the BPA.

Disagree with you about the first two. So will almost all NBA scouts and front office people.

 

[PhxGametime]

I'd like to get Mason Plumlee. He has size, athleticism, and defensive potential; and he won't go too high because he's not a great scorer. Could be a PF heavy Draft...


There's also a lot of PG's, if Nash is Traded.

 

[JoRain]

I wouldn't be surprised if SUNS FO would stick with the late tradition and go with one of the Morris twins of Kansas

they didn't look bad against Texas and Tristan Thompson in that Big 12 final and both supposed to be mid to late first rounders.

 

[JoRain]

I don't get why we are talking about Perry Jones, who Draft Express sees going 4th. If we are just jawing, why not talk about Jared Sullinger of Ohio State.

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There isn't a chance in the world that the Suns could draft him, but he'd be a great addition. [/left]

probably you're right, as Suns don't really like back to the basket type players, but from the draft position stand point, there's a chance he might drop some - i've read (on si.com) that there's some questions about his size - apparently he looks more like 6'7" than 6'9". size can really scare off some teams.

 

[jagu]

Jimmer Fredette , sign the guy! The guy can definitely create his own shot.

He fits all the qualifications of a true Sun

1. Can shoot lights out
2. Pretty good at finding teammates
3. Sucks on D

 

[JCSunsfan]

Jimmer Fredette , sign the guy! The guy can definitely create his own shot.

He fits all the qualifications of a true Sun

1. Can shoot lights out
2. Pretty good at finding teammates
3. Sucks on D

He is so crafty with his movements on the court. He can create his own shot. I believe he can be an excellent distributor at the next level. His shooting IS his teams offense right now.

 

[overseascardfan]

I think either one of the Morris's, Thompkins or Thompson would be ideal. Preferably Thompson, not as big as the other guys physically but much more explosive and athletic.

Quick question, the Suns supposedly gave up their own pick but if it ends up in the lottery does HOU get the Orlando pick instead? If not I hope that PHX gets either Kemba Walker, Ben Hansborough or Nolan Smith with the ORL pick. Thompson and Smith would be an ideal draft. If we had a 2nd rounder I would go after Justin Harper out of Richmond, kid reminds me of Austin Daye but stronger.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think either one of the Morris's, Thompkins or Thompson would be ideal. Preferably Thompson, not as big as the other guys physically but much more explosive and athletic.

Quick question, the Suns supposedly gave up their own pick but if it ends up in the lottery does HOU get the Orlando pick instead? If not I hope that PHX gets either Kemba Walker, Ben Hansborough or Nolan Smith with the ORL pick. Thompson and Smith would be an ideal draft. If we had a 2nd rounder I would go after Justin Harper out of Richmond, kid reminds me of Austin Daye but stronger.

Yeah, we keep our pick and ship them Orlando's if we miss the playoffs.

Steve

 

[FArting]

Isaiah Thomas looks good starting PG for Washington

 

[JCSunsfan]

Is Kemba Walker any different than Aaron Brooks?

 

[slinslin]

Is Kemba Walker any different than Aaron Brooks?

Yes better, cheaper, younger, slightly bigger, more athletic and would not have cost Dragic.

It's ridiculous that we gave up a mid or late first round pick plus a not much worse player for Brooks who needs to be re-signed. Doesn't matter if it is Walker, Knight or Smith there are many PG prospects in this draft that will be better and be available later in the first round.

Lets hope Harrison Barnes somehow makes it to our lottery pick, he should be the #1 pick tbh.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Is Kemba Walker any different than Aaron Brooks?

Yeah, he is. For a guard he's a great rebounder and much less of a liability on D than Brooks and he's proven time and again that he's a clutch player. However, I seriously doubt that he (or Kylie Irving or Nolan Smith-the other PG's that slinslin talks of) will last anywhere near our Orlando pick. Kemba might make it to the late teens but none of these guys will be available in the mid to late 20's IMO.

Irving might not even come out this season. He was considered a top 5 pick/one year player initially but he missed a lot of games so who knows. I'd probably take all three of these guys over Brooks but Aaron was once highly touted also. And, as I mentioned, I doubt any of them will be available for the pick that we traded away.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes better, cheaper, younger, slightly bigger, more athletic and would not have cost Dragic.

It's ridiculous that we gave up a mid or late first round pick plus a not much worse player for Brooks who needs to be re-signed. Doesn't matter if it is Walker, Knight or Smith there are many PG prospects in this draft that will be better and be available later in the first round.

Lets hope Harrison Barnes somehow makes it to our lottery pick, he should be the #1 pick tbh.

Dragic's value was in the neighborhood of ZERO. Who cares if we gave away a player that was absolutely killing us every time he took the court. I'd like to live in a world where we could trade nothing (Dragic) for a guard who's shown what Brooks has shown.

I'd be a lot happier if I were confident that Brooks was willing to fill the kind of role long term that Barbosa occasionally filled (change of pace, momentum player) but even if not, all we did was gamble away a late first round pick. Not that big of a loss when you consider how much of a gamble a late first round pick is in the first place. I have no problem when we use draft picks as assets - I just hate it when we sell them for cash as that is extremely short-sighted.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Suns send Pietrus, Brooks, Lopez, Warrick, 2011 1st rd pick, 2012 1st rd pick & 2013 1st rd pick to Denver.

Denver sends us Felton, Gallinari, Koufos + fillers.

*Assuming we trade Nash for a 1st rd pick then we send Denver the ORL pick. Then we draft Thompkins with the 1st rd pick and draft a SG like Justin Holiday (excellent defender, good 3 pt shooter aka Raja Bell) in the 2nd rd.

Our lineup:

Felton, Dowdell/rookie
Holiday, Dudley
Gaillinari, Childress
Frye, Thompkins
Gortat, Koufos

Gallinari has the potential to be a superstar in this league so once he hits his full potential, we'll be a legit contender.

This allows Denver to resign Chanlder and not worry about Gali cause he's a free agent next season anyways and teams would be throwing big $$$ at him.

 

[slinslin]

Oh dear god no. Gallinari has no superstar potential. It's doubtful if he has allstar potential.

That lineup is horrible. It is like the Knicks roster of the first part of this year only much worse and without Amare and giving up 3 first round picks.