2012 Arizona Diamondbacks Season Thread - July edition

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Upton's not caring what D'backs fans think is just another example of how immature he is. He and Byrnes were each made the "face" of the organization. Byrnes because of one good year and Upton because of his potential. The team executives share the blame of jumping to the wrong decisions.

I think a pro athlete is shooting themselves in the foot if they worry about what the fans think. I think Upton DOES care which is why he got angry and said what he said. He has too much crap in his head right now which is making him press at the plate. If a hitter is overthinking, they will stink, period.
 

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Doing something in a "journeyman way" is a compliment, not an insult. It means they go out every game and apply their considerable skills and abilities to their craft in a professional, knowledgeable way. Upton has some abilities but we don't really know how much because his head keeps getting in the way.

I would predict that both Chipper and Todd will be Hall of Famers.

Chipper is probably going to be in the HOF, because he has an MVP, a WS ring and lots of playoffs to his resume. He's been an All Star in 7 out of 19 seasons and probably helped his case a ton when he made All Star last year. Plus, he's over 400 HRs and has averaged 31 a year for his career.

At this point, no way on Todd Helton. He's been an All Star 5 out of 16 years, but not since 2004. He has a career .320 average, but not enough sparkle to make the hall when he's played on so many losing teams.
 
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Chipper is probably going to be in the HOF, because he has an MVP, a WS ring and lots of playoffs to his resume. He's been an All Star in 7 out of 19 seasons and probably helped his case a ton when he made All Star last year. Plus, he's over 400 HRs and has averaged 31 a year for his career.

At this point, no way on Todd Helton. He's been an All Star 5 out of 16 years, but not since 2004. He has a career .320 average, but not enough sparkle to make the hall when he's played on so many losing teams.

All-Star's are nice and all, but, in the end the voters focus much more on the numbers - and rightly so as All-Star voting is, well... just a tad circumspect...
That said - Chipper is a first ballot HOFer. He'll finish his career with a .300 batting average, over 1,600 RBI's, approx. 475 HR's, 3 Gold Gloves, a career OPS of over .930 and more than 2,700 career hits!

And Helton will get very, VERY serious consideration - as he should. a career .320 average is nothing to sneeze at, particularly when you have played 16+ seasons! He'll finish his career with close to, if not more than 400 HR's, more than 1,400 RBI's, 3 Gold Gloves, an OPS of .975 and more than 2,500 career hits. That's some serious and very consistent production over a long career...
 

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It is not that I do not like Helton, I think he has always seemed like a classy player and he had a few really good seasons. I am unsure how the writers will view him as a hall of fame candidate when comparing him to other players of the same era.
 

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All-Star's are nice and all, but, in the end the voters focus much more on the numbers - and rightly so as All-Star voting is, well... just a tad circumspect...
That said - Chipper is a first ballot HOFer. He'll finish his career with a .300 batting average, over 1,600 RBI's, approx. 475 HR's, 3 Gold Gloves, a career OPS of over .930 and more than 2,700 career hits!

And Helton will get very, VERY serious consideration - as he should. a career .320 average is nothing to sneeze at, particularly when you have played 16+ seasons! He'll finish his career with close to, if not more than 400 HR's, more than 1,400 RBI's, 3 Gold Gloves, an OPS of .975 and more than 2,500 career hits. That's some serious and very consistent production over a long career...

Yeah, but when you look at the stats, it looks like Helton tailed off more towards the end of his career than Jones did and I think that will hurt him. Just like I think it hurt Pudge Rodriquez to play as long as he did. Pudge is a no doubter HOFer IMO, but the way he hung on too long may just knock him off the first ballot.
 

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It is not that I do not like Helton, I think he has always seemed like a classy player and he had a few really good seasons. I am unsure how the writers will view him as a hall of fame candidate when comparing him to other players of the same era.
As the lone member of a team having his lifetime stats, I believe that Todd Helton will be elected to the HOF. Perhaps not on the first ballot, though.

If he were one of two or three players from the Rockies, he might take a back to seat to more flamboyant ones. But that is not the case.

Part of the consideration is marketing the MLB product and including as many states as possible is a good move, as long as the stats support it.
 

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Nice comeback win for the DBacks against a tough pitcher.

Didn't think we'd do it. Nice clutch triple by Upton to score 2 runs.

Kubel was great, per usual. League leading 11 assists now. Can't believe I doubted this signing.
 

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Didn't think we'd do it. Nice clutch triple by Upton to score 2 runs.

Kubel was great, per usual. League leading 11 assists now.
And, with the D'backs two games beyond the half-way point, Kubel is on track to top his all-time RBI season and right around his all-time HR season.

His BAvg of .293 is on track to be his second best, behind the .300 he hit three seasons ago.

It says a lot when Gibson has made him only the second position player in the batting order this year to have a set position -- cleanup.

Hopefully, he will stay there and give protection to Upton, who needs it. Imagine if Gibby thought that way through the rest of the batting order.
 

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And, with the D'backs two games beyond the half-way point, Kubel is on track to top his all-time RBI season and right around his all-time HR season.

His BAvg of .293 is on track to be his second best, behind the .300 he hit three seasons ago.

It says a lot when Gibson has made him only the second position player in the batting order this year to have a set position -- cleanup.

Hopefully, he will stay there and give protection to Upton, who needs it. Imagine if Gibby thought that way through the rest of the batting order.

I'm guessing the other is Upton and that says a lot too.
 

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Upton's triple last night was great but it epitomizes him as a player. Runners on first and third with one out. All we need is a hit and everybody has been struggling against the reigning MVP all night. First 2 swings Upton's coming out of his shoes. Grace pointed out the fact that he was bailing out. (little league error) With 2 strikes Upton switches into guard the plate mode and hits a triple.

Perfect of example of his immaturity and his incredible potential all in one at bat.
 

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I'm guessing the other is Upton and that says a lot too.
Well, it says that the UptoWn signs went up in RF and the club is trying to avoid a second "face of the franchise" disappointment following the retirement of Luis Gonzalez. As mentioned in another thread, the first was Eric Byrnes.

The Front Office put way too much pressure on Upton. Pressure that he was not, and may never by, ready for.
 

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The front office is not afraid of the right field wall and does not play defense as though it does not matter. This is all on Justin, no one else. His fielding is poor at best. His has so much talent but continues to be an underachiever. I blame no one but Justin. He may be gone soon.
 

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4 games back heading into the AS break. Last season, we were 3 games back at the same point. I like where we stand. Hopefully, the break will be nice for those who are skidding, especially Upton and Young.


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Hopefully, the break will be nice for those who are skidding, especially Upton and Young.
At least neither of them will be in the home run contest. That's all they would have needed. Young's average would be approaching the .090's rather than the .190's.
 
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4 games back heading into the AS break. Last season, we were 3 games back at the same point. I like where we stand. Hopefully, the break will be nice for those who are skidding, especially Upton and Young.


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Given how terrible the team has played most of this first half - it goes to show that the West remains up for grabs... The Dodgers are going to have to make a few big moves if they want to make a serious run, and the Giants pitching will alone keep them in the race the rest of the way.
Kubel has had an incredible first half. Gonna be hard for him to improve, or even duplicate his results in the 2nd half... of course, he wouldn't have to if Upton could finally snap out of his damn funk! He's been hitting the Dodgers well...we'll have to wait and see if he can carry that momentum into the second half of the season.
Man do we need Kennedy to step up and become the ace. Cahill has been good enough. Not great by any stetch... just good enough. Collmenter adequately stepped in for now, but I'd feel a lot better if Saunders comes back healthy and strong.
Miley......... Hmmm..... The kid is gonna be tested like never before. He came limping into the all-star break. The fact that he made the team while pitching so poorly his last few starts has the potential to mess with his mind. In order for the D'Backs to truly make a run, Miley has to be better than he's been. Not saying he needs to what he was to start the season. But he's got to give the team 6 -7 innings on a regular basis...
Bauer sure looked good today. If he can find his game and produce these types of games over the second half, it would be a HUGE shot in the arm!

Getting Blum back could be a tremendous plus for the team - IF he can hit. Defensively, he's clearly the best we have. And offensively, I think I like him more than Roberts as Blum's a switch-hitter. But, if he doesn't produce it doesn't matter. 3rd base has been such a hole for this team and one of the key reasons we struggled during most of the first half.

Goldy is so damn solid. He's such a professional - amazingly so for such a young kid.
Kubel is a rock... as are Miggy and Hill.
Love Bloomquist, but he's not a starter. I see him more as a guy who should play in 125-130 games. Filling in at SS, 3B and 2B.
As for Drew... I guess we're really not going to know much this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't with the team after this year - or, perhaps not at the end of the year...
Upton........ gotta be the single most frustrating player to watch on this team. The most gifted, and yet, continues to under-perform and fall short of his immense potential. If he can clear his mind, slow the game down, stop trying to pull everything and start hitting the the middle and right side of the field, he single-handidly can carry this team. I have my doubts....
Centerfield has to be Parra - FULL TIME!! I swear I just don't understand how Gibby is managing this one... Parra is batting .280 with an OBP% .345 and an OPS of .774. Whole CY is batting .202 with an OBP of .298 and an OPS of .700. Add in Parra arm and defense versus CY wet noodle he carries, and it should be a no brainer!!! WTF Gibby??? Oh, and to add insult to injury - Parra is makingn $500k this year, while CY is pulling down a salary of $7.2 Million!! :bang:

Our pen is serviceable... No doubt the key for them will be the length our starters go in games. Both Hernandez and JJ have shown weaknesses this season. Somehow, they both still get the job done more often than not, but it's scary.
Corbin has looked pretty darn good the past few games. While Shaw has also shown some weakness...
Ziegler and Zagurski have looked pretty good thus far... but they scare me too.
It would be SOOOO huge if Saunders came back and pitched well, which would allow us to be able to put Collmenter back in the pen.

It's clear that the Giants and Dodgers will not run away and hide... at the same time the D-Backs MUST find a way to get above .500 and STAY there!
I think 89 wins could get it done this year - though, that would mean that both the Dodgers and Giants would have to play worse than they did in the first half... To get to 89 wins, the D-Backs will need to play close to .600 ball the rest of the way. Only the Yankees and Texas played .600 ball during the first half. So, it will be a gigantic task for the D-Backs to reach 89/90 wins... HUGE task... They will have to get a huge amount of luck the rest of the way and hope that both the Giants and Dodgers essentially collapse.
There is always the wild card of course... however, there are 8 teams that will be battling for those 2 spots: Braves, Reds, Cardinals, Mets, Giants/Dodgers, Marlins, Brewers and Philly... It won't be easy and again - we'll need to be at or very close to 89 wins to be in the running.

Gonna be quite a ride the rest of the way. Would be great to come out of the break with a sweep against the Cubbies. We've got a BRUTAL schedule the rest of the way... starting with 20 games in 20 days coming out of the break!! Then a day off and we then play 33 games in 34 days!! BRUTAL! Obviously, that stretch will either make or break the season... 53 games in 55 days. Wow! :shock:
 
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Glad to see Upton had a nice day.... but I'm not too excited at this point.... He's done this several times this season.... couple o' 3-4 games lighting it up, then 5-6 games with 2 hits total.....
 

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The Dodgers are going to have to make a few big moves if they want to make a serious run.
They are about to with Kemp completing his Minor League rehab. I am not sure when Ethier is due back. And it has been reported that the Dodgers are looking for a power hitting 1B.
 

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They are about to with Kemp completing his Minor League rehab. I am not sure when Ethier is due back. And it has been reported that the Dodgers are looking for a power hitting 1B.

That and Coles Hamel has stated he wants to play for the Dodgers (even though Texas is the favorite per espn.com)
 

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And actually, if Ethier re-signs with the Dodgers, they would consider moving him to 1B. That would open the field for them to make it easier to find a power hitter to replace Loney in the lineup.
 

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Phenomenal start to the 2nd half of the season...


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Watching this team right now makes me sick to my stomach.
Drew obviously does not give a crap about anything he does. His hitting is horrible and that lazy toss into the front row looked INTENTIONAL!
Upton batting 3rd!?!?! How long are they going to let him kill the team there???

CY!?!?!

The Dbacks 3 "superstars" are killing the team. IMO releasing these guys would result in the team winning 12 of the next 15 games.
 

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Why is Jeff Blum on this team? People say Towers knows how to build a bullpen but he sure does not know how to build a bench.
 

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Watching this team right now makes me sick to my stomach.
Drew obviously does not give a crap about anything he does. His hitting is horrible and that lazy toss into the front row looked INTENTIONAL!
Upton batting 3rd!?!?! How long are they going to let him kill the team there???

CY!?!?!

The Dbacks 3 "superstars" are killing the team. IMO releasing these guys would result in the team winning 12 of the next 15 games.

Right there with you on Upton and CY. We need to retool the OF. Trade and/or bring up maybe Eaton. We need to do SOMETHING! OK, how about trading Young and Upton, bringing in Bourn to start with Parra and Kubel. Then bring up Eaton also. The Giants want Bourn, let's get him first. Next would be bringing up Wheeler for 3B.
 
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