2012 Arizona Diamondbacks Season Thread - September Edition

[82CardsGrad]

and doubles. He does it all.

And, he just picked up Upton... AGAIN! After J-Up struck out looking with a runner on 3rd and less than two out, Goldy comes thru with a base-knock!

 

[BC867]

And how about Eaton's speed and diving, sliding catch in CF. How can they possibly take him out of the lineup during the month of September?

CY: "You wanted to see me, Skip?"

Gibby: "Yes, CY. Go find a corner of the dugout and count your money for the rest of the month."

 

[AZ Native]

And how about Eaton's speed and diving, sliding catch in CF. How can they possibly take him out of the lineup during the month of September?

CY: "You wanted to see me, Skip?"

Gibby: "Yes, CY. Go find a corner of the dugout and count your money for the rest of the month."

5/5

 

[82CardsGrad]

This season has been a downer... but, if nothing else, it's great to see the Dbacks continue to get under the skin of the Giants! Pablo wanting to take on Johnny Mac was such a joke! Only shows just how much the Dbacks have taken SF out of their game!

 

[TJ]

I know I'll regret doing this, but....

Thru 6, Cahill = 0 hits, 1 BB and 5 K's!! Hmmmmm.....

God, I hate you soooo much!!!

Don't you realize you're the ultimate jinx for this team? Just rip everyone to shreds so we can win another world series, please??

 

[thirty-two]

Eaton is a little fire-cracker. He put the ball in play in almost every one of his at bats, hits or not. Please play him over CY!

 

[82CardsGrad]

God, I hate you soooo much!!!

Don't you realize you're the ultimate jinx for this team? Just rip everyone to shreds so we can win another world series, please??

It's like clockwork...

 

[82CardsGrad]

Eaton is a little fire-cracker. He put the ball in play in almost every one of his at bats, hits or not. Please play him over CY!

Inredible start for the kid! Still can't believe we waited this long to bring him up!

 

[devilalum]

Good to see JUp break out of his year long slump for the last 15 games of the season.

 

[DWKB]

Eaton is a little fire-cracker. He put the ball in play in almost every one of his at bats, hits or not. Please play him over CY!

Not trying to make this a debate about Eaton vs Young, but why is putting the ball in play hits or not considered a positive trait?

 

[The Commish]

It's better because striking out is a zero-result play. Putting pressure on the defense to make the out is always a positive since you never know what can happen. Furthermore, having a guy put the ball in play provides a greater ability to move runners on base - a very important component when playing in the NL.

 

[BC867]

Speaking of CY -- the lifetime .239 hitter -- who has been alibiing his .227 batting average this year as coming back too early from an injury . . .

. . . reinjured himself by evidently coming back too early from an injury.

What a dufus!

I don't remember Tom Hanks saying, "There's no common sense in baseball."

 

[82CardsGrad]

Not trying to make this a debate about Eaton vs Young, but why is putting the ball in play hits or not considered a positive trait?

Clearly you would agree that a ball in play creates a better opportunity for something positive to happen, versus a strikeout, right??

Also, Eaton has a .423 OBP since being called up. He is without a doubt the CF of the future... C-ya CY!

 

[thirty-two]

Not trying to make this a debate about Eaton vs Young, but why is putting the ball in play hits or not considered a positive trait?

The guys pretty much answered before me in the previous two posts, but basically Eaton putting the ball in play forces the defense to make a play each time, as opposed to a strike out or weak pop up like CY.

 

[DWKB]

It's better because striking out is a zero-result play. Putting pressure on the defense to make the out is always a positive since you never know what can happen. Furthermore, having a guy put the ball in play provides a greater ability to move runners on base - a very important component when playing in the NL.

Clearly you would agree that a ball in play creates a better opportunity for something positive to happen, versus a strikeout, right??

Also, Eaton has a .423 OBP since being called up. He is without a doubt the CF of the future... C-ya CY!

The guys pretty much answered before me in the previous two posts, but basically Eaton putting the ball in play forces the defense to make a play each time, as opposed to a strike out or weak pop up like CY.

Well from a results perspective, an out is an out firstly, but from a potential perspective, not one of you mentioned the extra cost in hitting in DPs vs a single out SO. This is a studied and real cost and why Three True Outcome hitters are under-rated by most fans still. GMs have mostly caught on.

I agree 82 in that although Eaton was like 1-16 the last few games he was taking walks to counter that and those are positives. A low SO, low OBP player is not as valuable as fans seem to value though.

 

[Dback Jon]

A strikeout is better than a weakly hit ground ball when you have runners on and less than one out

 

[AZ Native]

A strikeout is better than a weakly hit ground ball when you have runners on and less than one out

...unless Eaton's speed running to 1st causes a miscue.

Last night the center fielder dropped the ball trying to rush a throw to 3rd in hopes of throwing out a speedy Eaton. Granted, it was a hit, but the concept is the same.

 

[DWKB]

I'm curious to know if anyone can guess the top two DBack hitters in ROE rankings and how many over the course of this year they have.

Spoiler

Quit cheating and make a guess

 

[Lefty]

Eaton definitely needs to work on his defense. He doesn't pick up the ball off the bat very well and needs to hit the cutoff man better.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I'd be surprised to learn who keeps track of stats for reached on error. I don't think even baseball-reference has those.

 

[DWKB]

I'd be surprised to learn who keeps track of stats for reached on error. I don't think even baseball-reference has those.

Actually BBR.com does keep track of them.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2012-baserunning-batting.shtml

The DBack leaders are Goldschmidt (our lumbering 1B) with 9 on the year and Montero (our husky C) with 8 on the year.

It's essentially less common than HBP. The things that still matter the most are NOT making outs and getting XBH.

 

[JS22]

Speaking of CY -- the lifetime .239 hitter -- who has been alibiing his .227 batting average this year as coming back too early from an injury . . .

. . . reinjured himself by evidently coming back too early from an injury.

What a dufus!

I don't remember Tom Hanks saying, "There's no common sense in baseball."

Seriously? Young was trying to come back and help his team. And, sure, I'd guess he was getting a little nervous about Eaton.

You're going to rag on a guy for trying to help his team get into the postseason? It's a chore to visit the Dbacks forum here because it's basically just you complaining about every little thing.

I'm not even that much of a Young fan. But I'm not going to call him a dufus for trying to come back from 2 injuries to help his team.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Actually BBR.com does keep track of them.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2012-baserunning-batting.shtml

The DBack leaders are Goldschmidt (our lumbering 1B) with 9 on the year and Montero (our husky C) with 8 on the year.

Goldy also leads our team in stolen bases... he's really not a "lumbering" firstbaseman at all...

It's essentially less common than HBP. The things that still matter the most are NOT making outs and getting XBH.

Which is why putting a ball in play versus striking out is most often a better scenario...

 

[DWKB]

Which is why putting a ball in play versus striking out is most often a better scenario...

Not if it leads to an out it's not. That's the whole point, the technique isn't as important as the result. It seems you've totally missed the point.

A low SO, low OBP player is not better than a high SO, high OBP player but your statement would say the low SO guy is better.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Not if it leads to an out it's not. That's the whole point, the technique isn't as important as the result. It seems you've totally missed the point.

A low SO, low OBP player is not better than a high SO, high OBP player but your statement would say the low SO guy is better.

I did miss that point... My perspective was Eaton versus CY. In that context, Eaton is a low SO, high OBP who happens to put the ball in play more often than CY - who is a high SO, low OBP guy.

But, I would also agree that a low SO, low OBP guys is not as desireable than a high SO, high OBP guy...