2016 NBA Draft thread

[slinslin]

If Al Jefferson has to spend his entire career at center you can bet that Domatas Sabonis is not going to be a PF either.

90% of his scoring moves are in the restricted area and taking 2-3 seconds to work on his smaller NCAA defender. The success rate of that is going to diminish greatly in the NBA, not to mention that most teams don't run plays for that.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm with Slin on this one. I watch Sabonis and I don't see an NBA player. He is a below the rim player who feasts on smaller and weaker guys and he is good at getting a strong position on them in the post. Those chances are simply not going to be there for him in the NBA. Virtually every game he is going to be matched up against someone of equal height and probably more athleticism. He is going to need a LOT of guile to even become a mediocre player. IMO he has a very low ceiling.

Whoever brought up Scola, good call. I think that is Sabonis' best case.

I also agree that he is going to have to play a lot of center. If he isn't at center he is going to have serious problems defensively matching up with the types of guys playing the "4" right now in the NBA.

 

[Errntknght]

I just checked the nbadraft.net mock and they have Sabonis at 5 and Bender at 6. Brice Johnson at 11 and Labisierre at 14. Hield and Dunn are at 3 and 4 still - and us slotted at 3, 12 (taking Utah's Poetlt), 28 and 33. I watched several highlights of Johnson and he's a tremendous leaper with good timing so he was swatting shots like crazy - slin would love him I'm sure and I wouldn't complain. He's slippery inside, too, and uses it to score and rebound.

 

[FArting]

https://twitter.com/espn/status/716839220053041157

 

[slinslin]

https://twitter.com/espn/status/716839220053041157

Elite is misleading, he is a fringe first round pick at best from what I can tell.

 

[slinslin]

I just checked the nbadraft.net mock and they have Sabonis at 5 and Bender at 6. Brice Johnson at 11 and Labisierre at 14. Hield and Dunn are at 3 and 4 still - and us slotted at 3, 12 (taking Utah's Poetlt), 28 and 33. I watched several highlights of Johnson and he's a tremendous leaper with good timing so he was swatting shots like crazy - slin would love him I'm sure and I wouldn't complain. He's slippery inside, too, and uses it to score and rebound.

I like Johnson with our second rounder, maybe with the 28 if nobody with potential drops.

Johnson though is a senior, good athlete but not a lot of skills.

 

[3rdside]

Thon maker as a fringe first rounder? That's insane. Between picks 3 and 12 we have to get this guy. Literally no question marks for me on him. He's still a goofy kid but has all the tools; height, length, hops and skills, and he works his ass off no less.


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[3rdside]

And be shoots threes at a reasonable clip - 30% - potential written all over it (7 footer, 19yrs old). This is amare, "the future of the nba", all over again.


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[slinslin]

Thon maker as a fringe first rounder? That's insane. Between picks 3 and 12 we have to get this guy. Literally no question marks for me on him. He's still a goofy kid but has all the tools; height, length, hops and skills, and he works his ass off no less.


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nbadraft.net has him #27 in 2017

Draftexpress ranks him #44 among prospects this year

http://www.draftexpress.com/article...ketball--Will-Attempt-to-Enter-NBA-Draft-5415

TLDR: Maker is overhyped based on youtube highlights and scouts were never really impressed. Super raw prospect with great physical attributes.

 

[3rdside]

They also have Sabonis as a top 10 pick - I take my opinion on maker over there's on this one.


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[3rdside]

What was amare projected as back in the day; I think he was in the 12-15 range?


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[3rdside]

Just checked nbadraft.net - they had him at 12.


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[3rdside]

Maybe it's the coffee, maybe it's that I saw screeching weasel live in London on Saturday night, maybe I'm super excited about maker declaring, but I'm going to say it anyway (and also because I know you post some great stuff on the p and r board) - and this is said with all due respect to every American here because I really, really want to believe in American exceptionalism, even though it's an oxymoron at present - can you really ****ing trust anything that comes out of the USA these days where money might be involved?

Cash has corrupted virtually every facet of society over there (trying to keep it basketball related, this is another example of truly sick financial perversion for me

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...a47476-8d3e-11e5-ae1f-af46b7df8483_story.html)

...so tying this in with maker attending a Canadian school, is it conceivably possible that the draft sites aren't truly independent in rating him so low?

Definitely.

I could totally be overstating it on maker's potential but if anyone thinks Sabonis is worth taking before him, I just don't know what to say about that other than you're very possibly on the take from an agent, a university etc; there is NO WAY that makes sense.

I would like to see a Declaration of Independence - heh - from nbadraft and draftexpress but I can't find it; If I have time I might do some research to match up mocks with actuals and see if there might be something to this but in the mean time, if you want to call me crazy, definitely do!




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[slinslin]

Maker has been pretty bad at the prospect camps he has shown up to and choosing to play Canadian highschool basketball is probably not the best decision either.

I don't know why you need anything from draftexpress, they have the best track record as far as draft predictions go.

 

[3rdside]

It is a little conspiracy, I agree, but again The Sabonis - Maker mock positions just don't stack up.

But taking on board what you're saying, I can accept that the other side of the coin - that maker's gone to Canada for illegitimate reasons i.e. to pump his stock against lesser competition - might also hold.

Still, I think he's worth the gamble, possibly even at 3.



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[slinslin]

??

They have Sabonis at #19. How does that not stack up?

 

[3rdside]

Most recent highlights I can find :

http://youtu.be/zTb2AGw__t8

http://youtu.be/Redb7p6YE6c

7ft tall, long arms, can dribble and shoot, can shake, clearly has skills - and is just 19yrs old.

Sabonis, anyone?


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[3rdside]

??

They have Sabonis at #19. How does that not stack up?

My bad, was looking at nbadraft.net.

 

[3rdside]

*but even draftexpress have sabonis going 25 (25?!) places higher than maker if what you said before about them rating him #44 is right.


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[3rdside]

*but even draftexpress have sabonis going 25 (25?!) places higher than maker if what you said before about them rating maker at #44 and Sabonis #19 is right.


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[3rdside]

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[slinslin]

A lot of what you said could be said of Labissiere too. Thon Maker just is not an elite prospect.

He is very raw and will be drafted based on his physical profile. ~15 is the highest possible I could see him. Not sure anyone would take him over Labissiere so you would have to find a team willing to take a flyer on a guy and Labissiere already being taken.

 

[3rdside]

Looking at the highlight tapes again, if I had to say one thing it's that he doesn't run and move nearly as fluidly as Simmons and they're the almost the same age (Simmons 20 in July, Maker next February), but he is a full three inches taller than him so for a 7footer it's very impressive.

Of course, I should caveat by saying I thought Len would be all-star material so maybe calling him the future of the nba was a little caffeine induced!

But if we don't land the one or two pick then trading down from 3 and 12 to say 5 and 8 or so to take Hield and Maker (e.g., and if that's even possible), I would be happy with that.

Maker would start to come good, in theory, once chandler's contract is up.


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[hcsilla]

What was amare projected as back in the day; I think he was in the 12-15 range?

He was projected about #10 basically all season long.

 

[3rdside]

Okay, deep breath...Just watched the skal tapes - a very good comparison - but I think maker is the better prospect. He's taller, longer arms, probably the better shooter, one year younger and definitely more raw; Maker didn't start playing till he was 14 (unclear when skal did but it looks like the start of high school), and skal has had a year at Kentucky.

The one on one tapes showing these two squaring off probably favour skal but the game tapes probably favour maker imo.

I revise - maker at 12 will do me cause he is a massive project.






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