2024 Draft Countdown/NFL Prospects thread

[Krangodnzr]

UNC is all the way up to #10, wow. Next three games are a real murderers' row though. Unranked Virginia, unranked Georgia Tech, and then the Fighting Camels of Campbell University come to visit Chapel Hill on Nov the 4th.

Can't wait to see Drake Maye get after the 9th place team from the Colonial Athletic Association. Just wow.

It's quite sad to simp after a guy who left the Sooners high and dry my friend.

South Carolina alone is better than every team that USC has faced save Notre Dame, who was the only good team they faced so far and they got beaten down hard.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't feel the hype for either Williams or Maye.
The QB I have enjoyed watching the most this year is Penix Jr. A lot of that has to do with his incredible personal story, overcoming three severe injuries. But he isn't a slam dunk either.

One of them will probably be really good, but which one? IDK.

I believe Maye if you watch who actually has to make a lot happen. Pennix Jr is having a spectacular year, but that Washington team is absolutely stacked and has a likely top 15 pick at WR and another receiver who is likely a second day pick.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It's quite sad to simp after a guy who left the Sooners high and dry my friend.

South Carolina alone is better than every team that USC has faced save Notre Dame, who was the only good team they faced so far and they got beaten down hard.

omg Krang I am no fan of C Williams at all. I think he's basically half a step up from Hurts talent wise but without all the super duper intangibles that Hurts has. I wouldn't draft him with a ten foot pole.

Your boy Maye? I mean you have to like his size and everything but he just doesn't look like the kind of player that you would bet the farm on (so to speak). He looks more like the 10th pick in the draft vs. the 1st. I will admit it's not hard to imagine Maye getting a little better if he stayed in school one more year. I think that's what he should do.

 

[DVontel]

Your boy Maye? I mean you have to like his size and everything but he just doesn't look like the kind of player that you would bet the farm on (so to speak). He looks more like the 10th pick in the draft vs. the 1st.

Have you actually sat down & watched the dude? I’m getting vibes you really haven’t.

I think that's what he should do.

Yea, I do think the guy that’s slated to get drafted in top 3 should definitely go back to school.

 

[Krangodnzr]

omg Krang I am no fan of C Williams at all. I think he's basically half a step up from Hurts talent wise but without all the super duper intangibles that Hurts has. I wouldn't draft him with a ten foot pole.

Your boy Maye? I mean you have to like his size and everything but he just doesn't look like the kind of player that you would bet the farm on (so to speak). He looks more like the 10th pick in the draft vs. the 1st. I will admit it's not hard to imagine Maye getting a little better if he stayed in school one more year. I think that's what he should do.

Read @DVontel post.

Maye consistently makes big time throws under, at times, extreme duress. He's big, extremely athletic, great character, smart, and comes from a family of great athletes.

He's a player I've watched a lot of and I'm very confident he'll be at least as good as Trevor Lawrence. He reminds me a little of a bigger, more athletic, less douche Aaron Rodgers.

There is a reason that lesser football programs often put out better QB talent because those players often face greater adversity so they learn those lessons before they come to the NFL.

 

[BritCard]

It likely is, but I have really only seen negative attitude with Caleb Williams.

Reportedly Drake Maye was offered an obscene NIL deal to leave Carolina for a highly ranked team, but he stuck around out of loyalty to the team and his home state. I doubt Caleb Williams would have done the same thing.

Every year draft Twitter loves nothing more than trying to bring down the guy that everyone thinks is going to go #1.

I'm with @Chopper0080 on Caleb Williams in that I don't trust his style of play. Too many of his plays are off schedule when they don't need to be and I prefer Maye, so I have no reason to defend him. But I think all the "He only wants to get drafted by certain teams" and "he wants ownership" etc are all complete garbage.

 

[BritCard]

Read @DVontel post.

Maye consistently makes big time throws under, at times, extreme duress. He's big, extremely athletic, great character, smart, and comes from a family of great athletes.

He's a player I've watched a lot of and I'm very confident he'll be at least as good as Trevor Lawrence. He reminds me a little of a bigger, more athletic, less douche Aaron Rodgers.

There is a reason that lesser football programs often put out better QB talent because those players often face greater adversity so they learn those lessons before they come to the NFL.

For me Maye is Justin Herbert. I know that's a pretty common comp but I think it's a good one.

The obvious comp for Penix is Tua but again I think it's a fair one. I think the system Penix is put in will be a big deal in how he turns out. I'm not sure he will elevate a bad roster but he's likely good on a good offensive roster.

I don't like the Mahomes comp for Williams, to me he's more Deshaun Watson.

 

[Garthshort]

I bet we don't. Walker will get 150 maybe even 200 yards.

At least you're putting your scouting reputation on the line. We'll see. And keep in mind if you're wrong this will be sent to the Arizona Cardinals' scouting dept. and held on file in case you apply for employment as a team scout.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Have you actually sat down & watched the dude? I’m getting vibes you really haven’t.

Yea, I do think the guy that’s slated to get drafted in top 3 should definitely go back to school.

I admit I haven't watched him a bunch DVontel. I did watch his little Youtube 2022 highlight vid of him vs. Florida A&M.

This past Sat I switched over to the Miami game where Maye (and co.) got the ball with 1:30 left at the end of the 1st half.

He went 1 for 3 for six yards, and the Tarheels went 3-and-out. He did get pretty heavy pressure on the 3rd down play, but a couple of those throws were decidedly meh.

He just didn't inspire me to watch him in the 2nd half (not even to record it and fast forward just to watch NC on offense). You see where I'm coming from?

If you and Krang want to drive the bandwagon, have at it, but at this point I'm having an tough time getting excited about the kid.

And no, I'm not going get fired up if he goes 16/21 for 320 yards and four TDs against the Fighting Camels of Campbell U. Okay? That's f****** ridiculous.

 

[DVontel]

I admit I haven't watched him a bunch DVontel.

Conversation over. Everything else is a moot.

 

[SoonerLou]

The Maye/Herbert stuff is going to be so laughable in a few years.

 

[SoonerLou]

Rewatching the UNC/Miami game just to make sure my eyes werent deceiving me. One of the least impressive 4 td 0 ints game you'll see in college.

3 dropped ints. Deep TD pass because one of the worst plays on a deep ball in some time. Low throws that dont allow his wrs to really catch and run.

His coaches are right that he needs to protect himself better cause he's going to get beat up if he doesnt.

Perfect example of a guy who'd probably be very good (in the pros) if he stayed another year in college.

I just dont see him as physically gifted as Herbert. Thats rare size and strength.

 

[gimpy]

Conversation over. Everything else is a moot.

Everything else is moot because you say it is?

 

[BritCard]

Rewatching the UNC/Miami game just to make sure my eyes werent deceiving me. One of the least impressive 4 td 0 ints game you'll see in college.

3 dropped ints. Deep TD pass because one of the worst plays on a deep ball in some time. Low throws that dont allow his wrs to really catch and run.

His coaches are right that he needs to protect himself better cause he's going to get beat up if he doesnt.

Perfect example of a guy who'd probably be very good (in the pros) if he stayed another year in college.

I just dont see him as physically gifted as Herbert. Thats rare size and strength.

To be fair similar things were said said about Herbert coming out of Oregon.

—Slow trigger and doesn’t always throw it when he sees it; holds the ball waiting for the open receiver.

—Was largely a one-read thrower at Oregon.

—Regularly misses receivers high.

—Struggled against the best competition and did not recover well in games where he was pressured and hit.

—Fumbles are a major issue with 26 credited in three years.

—Gets heavy feet and paralyzed in the pocket when pressured, although some scouts believe the Oregon offense didn’t allow him to run.

—Too conservative at times. Needs to trust his arm more.

 

[SoonerLou]

To be fair similar things were said said about Herbert coming out of Oregon.

—Slow trigger and doesn’t always throw it when he sees it; holds the ball waiting for the open receiver.

—Was largely a one-read thrower at Oregon.

—Regularly misses receivers high.

—Struggled against the best competition and did not recover well in games where he was pressured and hit.

—Fumbles are a major issue with 26 credited in three years.

—Gets heavy feet and paralyzed in the pocket when pressured, although some scouts believe the Oregon offense didn’t allow him to run.

—Too conservative at times. Needs to trust his arm more.

Since the draft is an inexact science I think people just project Herbert onto Maye cause it LOOKS transferable. I think its just as much hoping he becomes Herbert as it people say its just hope Williams becomes Mahomes.


I just believe Herbert is more physically gifted. He can physically make special stuff happens until he figured things out. Not to mention he walked into an organization that had developed talent around him capable of helping old man Rivers put up 4500 yards.

So it was perfect combination of raw talent + high level skill guys and operation.

I can see Maye really struggling if he goes to New England or Denver (maybe Chicago if they bring back that coaching staff)

Again, he'll be much much better than this guy, but that particularly game looked more Drew Lockish. I think he'll be a solid pro, but I think people are going overboard with his ceiling the more I watch him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Everything else is moot because you say it is?

No because a guy admitted he watched a few highlights and formed an opinion.

 

[Krangodnzr]

To be fair similar things were said said about Herbert coming out of Oregon.

—Slow trigger and doesn’t always throw it when he sees it; holds the ball waiting for the open receiver.

—Was largely a one-read thrower at Oregon.

—Regularly misses receivers high.

—Struggled against the best competition and did not recover well in games where he was pressured and hit.

—Fumbles are a major issue with 26 credited in three years.

—Gets heavy feet and paralyzed in the pocket when pressured, although some scouts believe the Oregon offense didn’t allow him to run.

—Too conservative at times. Needs to trust his arm more.

Eh I think people form opinions about players and find reasons to back them up.

I caught myself doing that with Von Miller years ago and probably a little on Stroud this past draft. It happens.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[CardNots]

Unless KM can play D I see plenty of losing in our future.

He gives the defense a rest.

 

[Chopper0080]

The Maye/Herbert stuff is going to be so laughable in a few years.

I don't think it will be.

The tricky part is remembering what Herbert was in college vs what he has developed into in the NFL. The same concept is true for Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Getting to the NFL is step 1. Step 2 is do you have the obsession to win at all costs? What are you willing to give up for that?

Will Maye be Herbert or Rivers or Roethlisberger? Who knows. Ben didn't put in a lot of work, but because he went to the Steelers and he was so physically gifted, he didn't have to. Will Maye go to a bad team, be really good, but still not win anything ala Herbert. Absolutely could happen.

The overall point with the Maye eval isn't that he is perfect. He makes mistakes weekly. It is that every game you see him having to play a NFL version of QB. Every week the pocket is muddy. Every week he gets hit. Every week he has to make small window throws. Every week he has to take what the defense gives him. Every week he has to slightly adjust his style of play. That is what being QB in the NFL is. That isn't the case with Caleb Williams or even Pennix for that matter.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't think it will be.

The tricky part is remembering what Herbert was in college vs what he has developed into in the NFL. The same concept is true for Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. Getting to the NFL is step 1. Step 2 is do you have the obsession to win at all costs? What are you willing to give up for that?

Will Maye be Herbert or Rivers or Roethlisberger? Who knows. Ben didn't put in a lot of work, but because he went to the Steelers and he was so physically gifted, he didn't have to. Will Maye go to a bad team, be really good, but still not win anything ala Herbert. Absolutely could happen.

The overall point with the Maye eval isn't that he is perfect. He makes mistakes weekly. It is that every game you see him having to play a NFL version of QB. Every week the pocket is muddy. Every week he gets hit. Every week he has to make small window throws. Every week he has to take what the defense gives him. Every week he has to slightly adjust his style of play. That is what being QB in the NFL is. That isn't the case with Caleb Williams or even Pennix for that matter.

I watch Pennix and Williams play and it's like watching the most ideal circumstances for a QB. Very clean pocket, lots of time, and top NFL caliber talent at WR.

QB play is evaluated not on how many TDs a player throws, it's evaluated on actual NFL type plays. This is why some people really missed on Blaine Gabbert. I remember watching him and thinking, these are really good college throws, but he rarely made tight window throws down field.

 

[GatorAZ]

Rewatching the UNC/Miami game just to make sure my eyes werent deceiving me. One of the least impressive 4 td 0 ints game you'll see in college.

3 dropped ints. Deep TD pass because one of the worst plays on a deep ball in some time. Low throws that dont allow his wrs to really catch and run.

His coaches are right that he needs to protect himself better cause he's going to get beat up if he doesnt.

Perfect example of a guy who'd probably be very good (in the pros) if he stayed another year in college.

I just dont see him as physically gifted as Herbert. Thats rare size and strength.

Talent wise he’s shorter/skinnier than Herbert and has ~15% less arm (which is still good). That said Herbert is one of those “created in a lab” QB’s.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Talent wise he’s shorter/skinnier than Herbert and has ~15% less arm (which is still good). That said Herbert is one of those “created in a lab” QB’s.

I think he's more athletic though.

 

[Chopper0080]

I admit I haven't watched him a bunch DVontel. I did watch his little Youtube 2022 highlight vid of him vs. Florida A&M.

The funny part of that film is it was his first as a college starter. That is what impressed me the most from it. Dude was doing things Caleb still doesn't do in game 1.

 

[Chopper0080]

Crazy that Maye initially was committed to Alabama.