I think he was referring to "wilson calling out the front office". I didn't read it that way at all. Wilson himself doesn't think we can afford to do it, not that we won't do it (and I agree with him).
Adrian Wilson: "Dansby's gone"
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I think AW should stop talking for a while. Jeremy Shockey on a bad wheel just burned him again.
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It is not a myth and it has been stated by Micheal B. himself (may have been Graves who said but I am pretty sure it was Mike) in an interview last year when the same talk was going on about the same players.
"We do not want to re-do deals with more then 1 year left unless for extenuating circumstances." He went on to say that extenuating circumstances would be if it helped their cap, or if they were forced to becuase of a big salary bump.
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It wont be that at all considering they already offered him fair market value last year, and he fired his agent for telling him that the Cards were offering him fair market value and he should take it.
As for losing Dansby I am just not that afriad of lossing him or think it will be that big of a deal. The guy isnt even in the top 4 best defenders that we have. DRC, Dockett, Campbell, and Wilson are all higher then him in importance to our D IMO. I am not so sure the rest of the league even thinks that highly of him. The guy can even get voted in by the players and coaches as even a 3rd pro bowl alternate. DC dont game plan for this guy, they dont run away from him, they dont throw away from him, and players arent afraid of running right at him.
Now even with that he still could get big money, why you ask, because it only takes one team to covet a player.
I also want to know what this guy will do once he gets a new contract. In a recent Somers article he once again talks about the issue the coaching staffs have had with Dansby, always nicked up, cant practice because of little injuries, no heart, no leader, and so. You know the stuff everyone said the haters were just making up when in reality it was absolutely true. Dansby even in the article admitted to it. Stated that he had to do a lot of growing up and did so the last two years. Which just so happened to coincide with contract years.
Sorry but I just will not be sad to see this guy leave.
Oh yeah?
First 3 seasons in the NFL
Dansby 17 Sacks, 4 INTs and 5FF
Willis 9 Sacks 4INTs and 6 FF
They look fairly similar to me.
Its not Dansby's fault that the rest of the 49er's front seven suck so Willis has to make all the tackles.
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Nevermind that they were playing completely different positions in completely different schemes during that period of time right? I guess Hightower is better than Fitz since he has more rushing yards in his first two years huh?
The stats from the last 2 years are the only ones that should matter.
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You are comparing OLB #'s to ILB #'s?
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In the past two years, Willis has 70 more tackles, 9 more passes defended, 1 more pick, 1 more FF and 2 TDs compared to Dansby's 0. Dansby is very good, but he still isn't Willis. He is his teams' best defender by a mile. For all the talk about AP, Willis would have been a hell of a pick too.
OK so then you shouldn't compare Willis and Dansby at all because they played under different, Head coaches and Defensive Coordinators, with different Defensive lines and have been asked to do different things.
And of course Hightower has more rushing yards than Fitz. Larry doesn't run the ball.
Dang, Cardinal fans beating down their own player in favor of a 49er. I never thought I'd live long enough to see that.
Of course. How else was I supposed to make the two players stats come out equal?
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Just like as an ILB and not an OLB like Dansby was his first 3 years, Willis wasn't asked to consistently rush the passer.
So if I said BSP isn't as good as Peyton Manning I am beating down a Cardinal player in favor of a Colt??
Also, Dansby is no longer a Cardinal player. His choice, not mine or the teams'.
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Actually, he sounded very concerned about how the front office will handle it all. The difference with Dansby, compared to the rest of it, is that he's already written him off of next year's team.
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Maybe calling out is too harsh.
But he is saying something across a public medium that is stating, he doesn't know what the organization will do.
He states that Anquan Boldin should be delt with.
He states the same about Dockett.
Lutui has said something along the same lines
Dockett has said something along the same lines
And Antrel Rolle even "hinted" at it.
Whether for or against it, the players are talking about the contract status of other players, and referencing to the past proving that the Cardinals don't always re-sign their talent.
We talked about the situation in the thread below:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/dockett-with-another-backhanded-insult-146987.html
Just strange is all I am saying. I know we have had a lot of players talk about there own contracts, but this is differen at least, IMO.
I am also not saying whether it is good, bad, or a non-issue. Again, strange.
I don't see "BSP Defender" above your avatar.
I'll give you the sacks differential however, it is still a big number, and Dansby wasn't asked to "consistently rush the passer" btw, but interceptions and forced fumbles imo are not impacted by the position.
Tackles, meh, Ron McKinnon was credited with 223 tackles in 1999. I only look at "playmaker" stats.
From the Cardinals media guide: "MLB Ron McKinnon becomes first Cardinal to crack 200 tackle plateau (223 total stops)"
I don't put much stock in the pdf stats either because if a team doesn't throw your way you won't have any passes to defend.
And yes Dansby is probably no longer a Cardinal, his choice and the team's.
But I still think some 4-3 team is going to pay Dansby "Willis money" to come and play OLB for them. Because of those "OLB" numbers.
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You could very well be right, but we aren't a 4-3 team so why are you complaining?
I'm not complaining just countering the statements by posters who claim Dansby won't get the kind of money he expects as a free agent.
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I disagree.
This was the first time since 1984 that the Cardinals ranked 20th or higher in each of the following categories: points scored, yards gained, points allowed and yards allowed.
It is only the 3rd time since 1984 that the Cards defense hasn't finished in the bottom 10 in either points allowed or yards allowed.
Let's don't overlook the real possibility that our defense, especially with so many older players, simply wore down after two extended seasons.
What was that average in the play-offs? Oh yea, gave up more points in the last two games than any team in play-off history.
Didn't they "rest" their players before the first play-off game? Result: gave up 45 points...
It isn't just he "older" players. Can we be worse without Dansby? Sure, but we could also be better by using the kind of money Dansby wants on player(s) that will make our defense better.
They also played two of the most prolific offenses that they ever might have faced.
Good enough for me.
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That's all speculation. If i remember right, Dansby said they were never close. Anyhow, that doesn't matter. If he gets offered 4 years/50 mill, or whatever, that's what his market value is and the Cards don't want to pay that. Let's face it, Graves dropped the ball on this 3 years ago when he was supposedly concerned with Dansby's durability. It wasn't an issue then and it hasn't been in the last 3 years,or his entire career, either. Instead he paid him about 20 mill the last 2 years and is still going to lose him when he probably could have put that 20 mill into a bonus and locked him up for 5 years.
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I'd love to be wrong, of course....
but, I bet if Dansby leaves we return to the bottom 3 or 4 of every statistical category on defense and we hear from his teammates next season about how this miss him. Remember, he makes the calls that gets Dockett, Wilson, etc, into the right blitz or coverage based on what the offense shows. He has been doing more than just tackle and cover.
but, I bet if Dansby leaves we return to the bottom 3 or 4 of every statistical category on defense and we hear from his teammates next season about how this miss him. Remember, he makes the calls that gets Dockett, Wilson, etc, into the right blitz or coverage based on what the offense shows. He has been doing more than just tackle and cover.
I will take those bets.
