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I would of ran in front of the section, yelled for security, yelled at the guy and given security a chance to do their jobs

if i'm driving with my family and they recklessly cut me off and I have to swerve to miss a wreck - that is a lot more dangerous than someone just arguing with my wife

however, i'm not going to follow the guy home and see what his deal is - nothing good can come from it and I could quite possibly be putting my family in more danger
but swerveing into the other lane with out signaling is against the law(as well as being dangerous). and since the didnt actually hit you what were protecting them from? and its not like he "followed the guy home" he merely secured the situation until the guards could get there.
 

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his wife could of easily came down to see him

and for the sick mother thing - it's very easy to alert security and game officials before going up

"yo, my mom is sick and doesn't look well - i'm going to check on her, get some emergency people as well"

not difficult or unreasonable

and I didn't say it was an all the time occurence between family and fans (although there is often reports of it) - i'm saying that fans argue all the time at games and if you are feeling harrassed, suck it up and go to security

give the system a chance to work

can you name one good thing that can happen from antonio going into the stands as opposed to running the sideline, yelling at security and the guy and calling his wife down toward him?!
 

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pretty common stuff in all stadiums and security would of been able to easily handle the situation
but they werent so you are just supposed to sit there until the situation gets bad enough for the guards to see it. and he saw a guy touch his wife and the security guards didnt do anything so if it took him going up there to get his attention then that is what you have to do.
 

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yes swerving is illegal, arguing is not - which shows that the swerving is potentially a much more dangerous action and even more worthy of response

and I agree, since they didn't hit me, what I am protecting my family from - the situation is over and we can both head down the road (unless say he stops for gas, I pass him and he catches up and this time actually does hit me)

the situation last night could of been easily defused, and by antonio going into the crowd the only thing that it could possibly accomplish is to make it worse
 

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you don't have to run into the stands to get the attention of security

seriously, do you not think running in front of that section, yelling and pointing wouldn't of gotten security there quicker than climbing over a scorers table, over 15 rows of seats and then cutting through a few sections?!

or take 3 seconds to point it out and give security 5 seconds to walk from the gate to the row
 
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I watched the video again, and Davis was very calm. It looke like a bald guy in the upper left of the screen was yelling at his wife as he went up there.

The reporters asked Brown what is was like to be in two situations where players go into the stands, and his response was right on. If you haven't seen the video, it's on the first post of the thread. I went to NBA.com, and their video clip is the same.
 

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In my case, I would have run into the stands, too. That poor drunk guy would need to be protected from my wife kicking his A$$! I wouldn't want her to kill the jerk! :eek:
 

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his wife could of easily came down to see him

and for the sick mother thing - it's very easy to alert security and game officials before going up


You have a vastly exaggerated notion of how efficient and attentive security personnel are. There are "security" around all the time, but people still run out onto baseball fields, streak at the World Cup, or stab women's tennis pros.

Basically you're telling me that if you saw some punks mug a little old lady and push her to the sidewalk, you'd try to find a policeman rather than go over to make sure she's okay.

I asked whether you watched the video, and you didn't respond.

can you name one good thing that can happen from antonio going into the stands as opposed to running the sideline, yelling at security and the guy and calling his wife down toward him?!

Can you name one good thing that happened the last time you wore a seat belt and didn't get into an accident?
 
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Davis, worried for wife, enters seats to confront fanESPN.com news services


CHICAGO -- Antonio Davis thought his wife was in danger, so the New York Knicks forward dashed over the scorer's table and into the stands during a timeout in overtime.

How it might play out
The NBA will announce a penalty for Antonio Davis before the New York Knicks play host to the Detroit Pistons on Thursday night, but not necessarily the whole penalty.
If the league office has not reached a final ruling before the scheduled 8 p.m. tipoff of the New York-Detroit game, one option in such cases is assessing a one-game suspension to prevent Davis from playing for the Knicks while Wednesday night's incident in Chicago is under review. That would give the security staff under NBA vice president Stu Jackson more time to investigate Davis' claim that his wife was "being threatened" by a nearby fan at the United Center.

Davis, meanwhile, initiated contact with the league office on Thursday morning to explain his actions, according to sources close to the 12-year veteran. Davis is president of the NBA Players Association and could meet with commissioner David Stern later Thursday.

For each game Davis is suspended, he would forfeit $126,045.45 in salary.

-- Marc Stein



Just like that, an already heated game between the Knicks and Chicago Bulls evoked memories of last season's brawl between the Detroit Pistons and Indiana Pacers.

One difference, though.

Only words, not punches, were exchanged.

"I witnessed my wife being threatened by a man that I learned later to be intoxicated," Davis said in a statement issued after the game. "I saw him touch her, and I know I should not have acted the way I did, but I would have felt terrible if I didn't react. There was no time to call security. It happened too quickly."

Ben Gordon hit a game-winning jumper at the buzzer and scored 32 points for the Bulls in a 106-104 overtime victory Wednesday, but Davis' dash into the stands became the flash point of the game.

Davis ascended about 10 rows to reach his wife, Kendra, during a timeout with 1:04 left. There was no physical confrontation after he got there, but several people were pointing and shouting for a few moments before security arrived.

No arrests had been made as of early Thursday morning, police said.

The Knicks host the Pistons on Thursday night, and it has not yet been determined if Davis will be available. An NBA spokesman said the league was just beginning to look into the matter, but that any decision on a penalty is usually made before the team plays its next game.

"His wife and kids were up there," Knicks guard Jamal Crawford said. "If you see your family in harm's way, you're going to go protect them. You're the man of the house, and at that point you're thinking like a regular human instead of an athlete."

Davis, president of the NBA players' association, appeared calm throughout and walked away willingly when security arrived. He returned to the bench and took his seat before being ejected. The game resumed after about a five-minute delay.

United Center security remained in the stands for a few more minutes, and other fans appeared to be explaining what they had seen. Guards in suits and yellow jackets then escorted a group of people from the area.

The Bulls said in a statement that the situation was under control.

"At every sporting event in every venue in the world there is banter going back and forth between fans with different rooting interests. What made this a story was Antonio going into the stands. And by the time he got there United Center security was already on the scene taking care of the matter."

Knicks coach Larry Brown said Davis went into the stands because he saw his wife "falling back."

Brown was coaching the Pistons in November 2004 when an ugly fight broke out in the stands between fans and Indiana Pacers players during a Detroit home game. An embarrassment for the NBA, the brawl led to criminal charges and lengthy suspensions for Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson.

But Brown was adamant that this situation should be viewed differently.

"Come on, that's his wife," Brown said. "That's entirely different. I was worried about Kendra. That's why he went in the stands, he saw her falling back.

"That thing that happened in the stands had nothing to do with the two teams. That's a man concerned about his family."

Knicks forward Maurice Taylor added: "His wife was up there with his kids. There were two men up there getting into an altercation with them. It seemed like a no-brainer to me."
 

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In the course of games, guys go into the stands trying to save balls, or make a defensive play. They aren't suspended.

Davis threw no punches, or did anything agressive. If his team is fine with him going AWOL from the bench, or floor, then it's a case closed situation. If he saw any other emergency situation and went into the stands, to help someone choking, prevent a stabbing, etc., he would be hailed as a hero today. There wouldn't even have been talk of a fine at all.
 

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yes I have seen the video

and there is a big difference between seeing an old lady get mugged and having someone argue with your wife

and once again - what single positive is there for going into the stands instead of pointing out the situation to security?!

absolutely none (which is why this question keeps getting avoided)
 
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Here's Davis's Thoughts:

"I witnessed my wife being threatened by a man that I learned later to be intoxicated," Davis said in a statement issued after the game. "I saw him touch her, and I know I should not have acted the way I did, but I would have felt terrible if I didn't react. There was no time to call security. It happened too quickly."
 

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and once again - what single positive is there for going into the stands instead of pointing out the situation to security?!

I answered this before with an analogy that you apparently didn't get. The point is that you are protecting against a problem. You don't know what may go wrong if you don't take appropriate precautions, so instead you take action to head off a problem before it gets out of hand.
 

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i agree with what he said .. he needed to react and isn't a quick enough thinker to find a better course of action

for that he should feel bad as he knows that isn't the way he should of acted

and the league will act accordingly

doesn't make him a bad guy or make it an unreasonable situation
 

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MigratingOsprey said:
yes I have seen the video

and there is a big difference between seeing an old lady get mugged and having someone argue with your wife

and once again - what single positive is there for going into the stands instead of pointing out the situation to security?!

absolutely none (which is why this question keeps getting avoided)

What if he doesn't go into the stands and the drunk guy punches his wife and breaks her jaw before some 78 yr old usher/security guy can get there. Or he stabs her wife a knife he had on him (you know they don't check people on the way into the arena.......he could have a gun).
 

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Osprey are you married? I am and I love my wife. I would jump in front of a speeding car to save her life. If I saw some nut that looked like he was going to do physical harm to her, you bet your A$$ I would be up there. In fact most husbands would have really overreacted and turned that jerk's lights out. I think he was really self controlled and calm despite the threat he initially percieved. He went to her aid, found out he didn't need to intervene, and peacefully left when it was over. No threats, punches, etc.

I am bold enough to think he won't even get fined when it's all said and done. ;)
 

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no the analogy didn't make any sense because a seatbelt in the primary line of defense in a wreck

he would be more like the airbag to the securities seatbelt

he should of given the seatbelt a chance to work before blowing up
 

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MigratingOsprey said:
you don't have to run into the stands to get the attention of security

seriously, do you not think running in front of that section, yelling and pointing wouldn't of gotten security there quicker than climbing over a scorers table, over 15 rows of seats and then cutting through a few sections?!

or take 3 seconds to point it out and give security 5 seconds to walk from the gate to the row
i dont know he got the security guards there pretty quick not to mention im sure the guy that touched his wife wet himself.:p
 

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once again I am married and I'd go to protect about anyone in real danger (not just my wife)

I'd be more sensitive if she was involved - but i'm also smart enough to understand that the best thing to do is to diffuse a situation and I always think of the quickest, most logical way to do that

if she was being beaten in the middle of the crowd, then go ahead and jump in and take a fine or suspension

in this case though, that action wasn't warranted

i'd say 20% of the time I have some drunk say something rude to my wife or act inappropriately - the best thing to do is to just slough them off, defuse the situation and move on

if i'm a rock star and my wife is in the crowd and some drunk knocks into her, i'm not throwing down my mic, jumping into the crowd and rushing to the scene - i'm calling the guy out, alerting security and letting them do their job

if the problem persists or the threat is massive - then I would act
 

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he would be more like the airbag to the securities seatbelt

he should of given the seatbelt a chance to work before blowing up


Again, you give the security personnel WAY too much credit. They are mainly there for show. We aren't talking the Secret Service here.

When I look at the video, it looks to me like Davis got there before the security personnel, contrary to what at least one article has reported. That should give you a clue right there how ineffective they are.

For that matter, if security is so on top of things, how did they let Davis walk twelve rows into the stands in the first place? Did they not notice? No one tried to slow him down or even ask him what he was doing.
 

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myrondizzo said:
i dont know he got the security guards there pretty quick not to mention im sure the guy that touched his wife wet himself.:p

at least I can appreciate your humor ;)
 

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i'd say 20% of the time I have some drunk say something rude to my wife or act inappropriately - the best thing to do is to just slough them off, defuse the situation and move on

Heck, I'd say that's the right response 95% of the time. But that assumes that you're right there and can see clearly what's going on. Davis couldn't, which is why he went up to check it out.
 

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MigratingOsprey said:
once again I am married and I'd go to protect about anyone in real danger (not just my wife)

I'd be more sensitive if she was involved - but i'm also smart enough to understand that the best thing to do is to diffuse a situation and I always think of the quickest, most logical way to do that

if she was being beaten in the middle of the crowd, then go ahead and jump in and take a fine or suspension

in this case though, that action wasn't warranted

i'd say 20% of the time I have some drunk say something rude to my wife or act inappropriately - the best thing to do is to just slough them off, defuse the situation and move on

if i'm a rock star and my wife is in the crowd and some drunk knocks into her, i'm not throwing down my mic, jumping into the crowd and rushing to the scene - i'm calling the guy out, alerting security and letting them do their job

if the problem persists or the threat is massive - then I would act

Hmm. so the thinking goes something like this then...

"Hey that guy is yelling at my wife..."
"Now he's touching her....."
"Now she looks like she's falling back...."
"Wait. He hasn't hit her yet...."
"Still hasn't hit her......"
"Still, waiting for him to hit her........"
 

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The security only got there because Davis went into the crowd. They were following him to prevent him from doing anything. I didn't see any security in the video until after David got there.

If I'm 50 ft away and I see someone shouting at my girlfriend and shoving her then I'm going to run over there and find out what's going on. Visiting fans can be annoying, but that doesn't mean you should physically assault them.
 

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but from all accounts, he never touched her

also, why is he focused in on the stands in the first place?!

my own personal opinion is that he was still amped up from the fight on the court a few minutes earlier that he let his emotions get the best of him and wasn't thinking clearly
 

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