As Fans, We Should Be Prepared For The Team To Take A Step Back This Year

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Let me start off by saying that I trust the current coaching staff (certainly, at least Whiz) and I'm more willing to trust the FO these days.

I think the days of us pinning our hopes on Fred Wakefield to significantly contribute from the DE position are over (but monty freaking Biesel? Really?)

And even if we do take a step back this year, which I'm saying is only probable, not an absolute certainty, I think we will rebuild into team that will win the NFC west again in maybe say, two years.

But I see this team as weaker than last year's version at some key spots, and, without improvement in other areas to compensate for these declines.

And I'm not just saying this after watching the first half of last night's game (but I do think we pretty much got smoked in the ones vs. the ones). I've followed the team pretty carefully all off-season and training camp.

So as fans, I think we need to buckle up for a bumpy 2010, learn some patience, and continue to support the team and FO, even if we go 7-9.

I know, I know, "don't have a defeatist attitude", but what I'm typing now won't affect our team's performance, I mean, seriously.

I just don't want everyone freaking out during the bye week if we go 2-4 in the first six games.

I just don't want to see everyone jumping off the bandwagon if we have one year where we go 8-8.

This is a much improved organization that is committed to winning in a league that really promotes parity. If this isn't our year, we'll have our shot again soon enough.

But I also want to temper our expectations. I see a lot of exuberance on the board about this team. Some of it deserved (e.g. the discussions about toller's potential), some of it, eh, not so much.

Heres why we might step back this year:

LB core - porter's an upgrade over Berry, but otherwise this unit took a significant step back.

Dline - okay we might be better here, based on the addition of williams, but this is still pretty much the same group that we played last year.

Oline - starting to get worried about this unit. Last year we had a string of 30 consecutive starts by the same five. We knew what we had. This year, we're unproven and untested at both tackles, and I saw matty pretty much running for his life last night. Based on what I heard from training camp, what I saw last night, and my limited knowledge of oline play. I don't think were going to be as good here as we were last year.

QB - this is the coup de gras. I like matty. He's my second favorite player behind Bennie. But for Christ's sake, Warner would regularly throw perfect games, and is headed for HOF. Even if if Matt plays very good , he still won't equal Warner's performance, and were talking about the most important position on the field.

You add it all up and well... Hope I'm wrong. I've been a die hard fan since '76, and when I retire and my kids are grown, I'll be hanging out at training camp and games with you all (if you'll have me). Just don't want us to be too disappointed if things go south this year.

Thanks, sorry to be long winded.
 
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How the team plays and executes will be how a lot of people judge this years team. Like every year, I am thinking Superbowl, and until a couple of years ago that was always a pipe dream.

The key to this year is going to be the line play both on offense and defense. As how they play will go our fortune.

Hey, I always get mad when we lose, just havn't had to get as mad as often as I used to. :)
 

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Oline - starting to get worried about this unit. Last year we had a string of 30 consecutive starts by the same five. We knew what we had. This year, we're unproven and untested at both tackles, and I saw matty pretty much running for his life last night. Based on what I heard from training camp, what I saw lat night, and my limited knowledge of oline play. I don't think were going to be as good here as we were last year.

I think the O-line determines our immediate future. Matt CAN get it done if he gets the protection he needs. We are stronger at RB than ever before and our receiving corp still rivals the best in the game. If our O-line comes together (a big if) our offense should be better than last year's offense (where Warner was a shadow of himself). I share your concerns about the LB group but we look to be enough improved elsewhere on defense that at worst it should be a wash.

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Agree that the offensive line is going to be key. Matty is going to be a downgrade from Warner for now, but he's shown me hope again. You are again right about the downgrade at linebacker, but after watching the game last night there is reason to hope for the future - Daryl Washington played really well and Cody Brown wasn't too shabby either.

I found out long ago not to have too many high expectations - it usually will just end in disappointment. Just try to enjoy each game for what it is - and enjoy having football back in general.
 

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I just hope Matt can regain the form he had in the first half of the Bears Monday nighter.... That Matty was awesome.

I think we step back to 9-7. And I still think we win the west by 1 game with that record. Week 17 will be HUGE.
 

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As fans we do not have to expect a step back until it actually happens.

Right now WE ARE NFC West Champs! We will continue to be until the standings say otherwise. As of now I fully expect the coaches to work out the kinks and get them back to that level.
 
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As fans we do not have to expect a step back until they it actually happens.

Right now WE ARE NFC West Champs! We will continue to be until the standings say otherwise. As of now I fully expect the coaches to work out the kinks and get them back to that level.

Agree. This team has gotten a taste of winning and there is no turning back. With Whis at the helm, this has become the norm.
 

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the addition of williams on the defensive line doesn't impress me that much as do most Wisconsin players.
i think they are over rated and don't pan out very good in the pro's
 

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the addition of williams on the defensive line doesn't impress me that much as do most Wisconsin players.
i think they are over rated and don't pan out very good in the pro's

Williams is not from Wisconsin/Big 10! :mulli:

Try another school in the best conference in the country (SEC) called Tennessee. ;)
 

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the addition of williams on the defensive line doesn't impress me that much as do most Wisconsin players.
i think they are over rated and don't pan out very good in the pro's

Williams went to Tennessee
 

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Very good analysis Crimson & agree across the board, having said many of the same things before camp began. The Olines play could lead to the exit of Leinart after this season if they don't get their act together. Matt will be a solid to very good QB for someone in this league.
 

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the addition of williams on the defensive line doesn't impress me that much as do most Wisconsin players.
i think they are over rated and don't pan out very good in the pro's

WTF? :bang:

The one Badger I know we have on the roster is on the PUP list.
 

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The OL will determine our success this year. The 1st team OL looked very shaky last night, but they need time together. I still think Lutui will be starting & SHOULD be starting. That being said, we have more depth on the OL than ever before. Whiz won't hesitate to move guys around if necessary. Matt will be fine as long as long as he gets decent protection. The biggest drop off between Matt & Kurt was Kurt's ability to recognize the blitz & burn the D. Matt will need to improve in that area, but Warner was perhaps one of the greatest ever at beating the blitz. I'm not sure that's something you can coach.

There's a ton of upside with our young guys: Washington, Toller, Williams, Roberts (he'll be fine), Cody Brown, etc. I came away very impressed with guys like Calvin, Green & Skelton. Calvin & Green are extremely quick & look like ST demons. Our Coaching staff is solid top to bottom & will steal a couple W's this year. It's way too soon to say, but I think we'll be in the 9-7 or 10-6 range. The biggest difference between this team and previous teams under Whisenhunt is that we have way more DEPTH & will be able to absorb injuries better.
 

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As Cardinal fans we should be prepared for anything, including aliens landing at halftime and stealing your car, your date and all your money while wearing a cowboy's jersey.

All Cardinal fans know it's bizzare to be a Cardinal fan, I'm prepared for almost anything.
 

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WTF? :bang:

The one Badger I know we have on the roster is on the PUP list.

We have had some dominant Badgers on the team in the past. For example:

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:D
 

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I don't want to but have to agree with Crimson. The great equalizer is gone. Warner getting on a roll masked many of our weaknesses. The guy was just special.

I do believe the DL will be better as Campbell and Watson will improve and Williams will contribute at some point. Beisel can't start and the secondary better stay healthy or we will really suffer.

I also agree that if we are off this year the coaches and management will do what it takes to improve the team.
 

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I'm not going to worry about it until it actually happens. I'd rather take it game by game rather than sitting around and thinking about how we might suck.
 

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We have had some dominant Badgers on the team in the past. For example:

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:D

I knew someone would bring up his name, but I just couldn't do it. And to think, Coach Mac probably thought he was headed to the HOF much like many of the other failures we drafted in those dark days. :bang:
 

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But I see this team as weaker than last year's version at some key spots, and, without improvement in other areas to compensate for these declines.



LB core - porter's an upgrade over Berry, but otherwise this unit took a significant step back.

Dline - okay we might be better here, based on the addition of williams, but this is still pretty much the same group that we played last year.

Oline - starting to get worried about this unit. Last year we had a string of 30 consecutive starts by the same five. We knew what we had. This year, we're unproven and untested at both tackles, and I saw matty pretty much running for his life last night. Based on what I heard from training camp, what I saw last night, and my limited knowledge of oline play. I don't think were going to be as good here as we were last year.

QB - this is the coup de gras. I like matty. He's my second favorite player behind Bennie. But for Christ's sake, Warner would regularly throw perfect games, and is headed for HOF. Even if if Matt plays very good , he still won't equal Warner's performance, and were talking about the most important position on the field.


Thanks, sorry to be long winded.


I'd say FS is going to be an improvement in pass coverage. I'd say CB may very well be improved. Not just because of Toler looking good, but also because DRC is still a young player and should be better than last year simply from progression.

For the DLine, you have to look not only at Williams but also at Campbell being a young player and again, being better than last year probably as a result.

On the LB core, I agree, although Washington may very well make us forget about Dansby. Haggans is still Haggans and Hayes if he comes back healthy is still Hayes. This could end up being a wash.

On the OLine we will be awful to start the year most likely. Hopefully they gel fast.

At QB we may never be as good as we were the past 2 years again. Sad story.

But I think one thing you fail to mention is that young players do progress between years. By all accounts Beanie will give us more this year than last. That's something to factor in as well. We are likely to regress, but if everything goes right with the young players we will in fact be better at many positions.

Thing is I don't buy the 49ers being all that great yet. Until they prove it I like our chances in the NFC West even if we go 9-7 or maybe even 8-8.
 

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I feel that we will have a better season then one expects. We now have some team speed at defense which we have lacked for years. Plus this team is faster on both sides of the ball. I also like Matty, Some of Skelton's throws reminded of some of the Throws that Kurt made, especially the 15 yard pass for a TD. But our OL needs work; Come on Duce...!!!


BOBCAT:)
 

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We have had some dominant Badgers on the team in the past. For example:

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:D

The ALL Bust line with Wendell Bryant and Andre Wadsworth!
 

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Sorry but his is one of the most worthless threads I have seen since Cody stopped posting. You dont want us to freak out if the team starts out 2-6 but you've done so after 1 preseason game?? LMFAO

Please enlighten me as to when Warner was significantly better in the preseason (especially in the first game) than Matt was last night.

You care to make a wager to back this up?? I am willing to bet whatever you like that we will be in the playoffs yet again this year.

I want 3 minutes of my life back.
 
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Sorry but his is one of the most worthless threads I have seen since Cody stopped posting. You dont want us to freak out if the team starts out 2-6 but you've done so after 1 preseason game?? LMFAO

Please enlighten me as to when Warner was significantly better in the preseason (especially in the first game) than Matt was last night.

You care to make a wager to back this up?? I am willing to bet whatever you like that we will be in the playoffs yet again this year.

I want 3 minutes of my life back.

LOL... I thought one or two people wouldn't like the post. :D

Hey man, I could be completely wrong. That's a good point about Warner and the preseason.

And there's no way I'm betting against the cards. No way, no how.
 

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Sorry but his is one of the most worthless threads I have seen since Cody stopped posting. You dont want us to freak out if the team starts out 2-6 but you've done so after 1 preseason game?? LMFAO

Please enlighten me as to when Warner was significantly better in the preseason (especially in the first game) than Matt was last night.

You care to make a wager to back this up?? I am willing to bet whatever you like that we will be in the playoffs yet again this year.

I want 3 minutes of my life back.

Warner was terrible in preseason last year while Leinart did well, quite a different story during the season.
 

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