ASU Basketball (2012-13)

[devilalum]

So many missed opportunities it was one of the craziest games I have ever seen...

If the Devils miss the tourney they really have no one to blame but themselves.. It's insane how bad they are from the line.. Just ridiculous..

This game they shot 34% from the field, 30% from 3 point land, and 50% from the FT line.. AND STILL HAD A CHANCE TO TIE AT THE END..

This was a game the Devils could not afford to lose..

Yeah, they're going to need an upset or two to make up for this.

 

[Mathew81]

Yeah, they're going to need an upset or two to make up for this.

Yep. Really disappointing. We left ourselves with such a small margin of error with that crappy OOC schedule that we couldn't afford to drop games any of the rest of the games at home.

 

[Mathew81]

Also tonight, Creighton lost to Illinois State at home and Arkansas (yes, the same team that just beat Florida) lost to Vanderbilt, who are terrible. Not good for our RPI.

 

[TJ]

ASU's current RPI is 70 with an OOC SOS rank of 290.

Razor-thin margin for error.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Thing is ASU in my opinion passes the eye test, I think they belong in the 68. But unfortunately the numbers just aren't there due to the scheduling. Win at CU this week and this Stanford loss is forgotten.

 

[Gaddabout]

Thing is ASU in my opinion passes the eye test, I think they belong in the 68. But unfortunately the numbers just aren't there due to the scheduling. Win at CU this week and this Stanford loss is forgotten.

I think I'm OK with it because I get why teams like ASU are left off. To what point is it being fair to a team when they're probably a 1-and-done team with no great narrative. If ASU went in as, say, a 12-seed and beat a 4-seed, it stuns the basketball world, but the average fan that watches the tournament only just thinks it's one big state school beating another. They're not Coppin State or UALR. They're not a natural underdog.

ASU wins the conference tourney, they belong. If not, there's still work to do, and they probably suffer a setback next year. Honestly as weak and scattered as college basketball has been for the past five years, just getting into the tournament is not even a moral victory in my eyes.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I think I'm OK with it because I get why teams like ASU are left off. To what point is it being fair to a team when they're probably a 1-and-done team with no great narrative.

Yeah when the talking heads debate every March about who got screwed I always chuckle. They're basically debating over who the 40th and 41st best teams in the country are. Not at all like the BCS game arguments. Don't think ASU will take a step back though, they're a NCAAT team in 2014. After that will be not just a step back but probably a freefall.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Just a devastating loss for the Devils tonight..

Once again Free Throw shooting (4-10) and Jahii Carson's struggles led to a huge let down..

I don't know what happen to Carson, but the ever since the Washington game, he has fallen off a cliff..

He has shot 37% from the field and has a MIND BOGGLING 17 turnovers..

And for the cherry on top, for those who didn't see the game, with under a minutes to go Utah had the ball up 1 54-53.. Utah called a timeout with 8 seconds on the shot clock.. They inbound the ball dribble to half court, and with 3 seconds to go on the shot clock in a one point game, Utah has the ball at half court CARSON FOULS... The most boneheaded play I have seen in college basketball since UofA's intentional foul.. Utah made two Free throws and the Devils didn't recover..

ASU now needs to win two of @Colorado, @UCLA, @UofA in order to have a chance at the Tourney this year.. But with the way they have played really the last three games, hello NIT...

Pretty depressing...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Carson is Herb's Ike Diogu: the guy who will keep a bad coach afloat despite being surrounded by a horrific supporting cast. He's got Felix now but he's pretty much going to have to do it all by himself next year.

 

[Mathew81]

That pretty much ended the season. So disappointing.

 

[Mulli]

When do the NIT brackets come out?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Carson is Herb's Ike Diogu: the guy who will keep a bad coach afloat despite being surrounded by a horrific supporting cast. He's got Felix now but he's pretty much going to have to do it all by himself next year.

Yep...beating a bunch of crap teams out of conference and another mediocre year will keep Herb around, which is just depressing. We clearly have no ambition to be anything other than a middling basketball team, at best. Good times.

 

[AsUdUdE]

That pretty much ended the season. So disappointing.

Not necessarily.. Just makes the game @Colorado a must win..

Win on Boulder on Saturday and the trip is 1-1 which is exactly where they thought they would be after this trip...

A loss on Saturday the Devils would have to win out to have a chance...

 

[Mathew81]

Yes, theoretically we still have a chance. But 4 of the last 6 games are on the road and 3 are against UA, UCLA and Colorado. We already needed to beat one of those teams to make up for the Stanford loss. When you add another loss, especially since it was to a bad team, we have to win 2 of those and maybe all 3.

UW and USC are no push overs either. UW beat us already and USC took us to OT at our place. I think those 2 games are tossups and we'll be underdogs against the other 3. WSU is the only game we should feel confident about.

Our realistic chances of making the tournament died last night.

 

[TJ]

That pretty much ended the season. So disappointing.

ASU could get hot like CU (a 6 seed) did last season and win the PAC tourney, but I do think its chances of being selected are gone. Utah is a bad loss.


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[Mathew81]

ASU could get hot like CU (a 6th seed) did last season and win the PAC tourney, but I do think its chances of being selected are gone. Utah is a bad loss.


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With our complete lack of depth I don't think we could win 3-4 nights in a row.

 

[AzStevenCal]

ASU could get hot like CU (a 6 seed) did last season and win the PAC tourney, but I do think its chances of being selected are gone. Utah is a bad loss.

Although I agree that realistically ASU will need to do something in the tourney, they aren't out of the running for an at-large bid. They still have road games against Colorado, Arizona and UCLA and if they were to go 5 - 1 to close out the season they'd be in the running for a tourney nod. It's unlikely but Carson is the kind of player who could carry a team for a short run.

Steve

 

[Absolute Zero]

Ya baby, big road win against CU on the road in OT! Nice!

 

[Mathew81]

That was a crazy game. Ugly for most of it.

Herb made one of the dumbest substitutions I think I've ever seen. We were up 2 with 10 seconds left and he took out Bachynski for Bo Barnes. I could understand if we were up 3, but we were only up 2. Colorado of course got a wide open dunk to send it to OT.

Luckily we pulled it out. They haven't quite pulled the plug on our tourney hopes just yet. Still going to be really tough but there's a faint pulse.

 

[ajcardfan]

That was a crazy game. Ugly for most of it.

Herb made one of the dumbest substitutions I think I've ever seen. We were up 2 with 10 seconds left and he took out Bachynski for Bo Barnes. I could understand if we were up 3, but we were only up 2. Colorado of course got a wide open dunk to send it to OT.

Luckily we pulled it out. They haven't quite pulled the plug on our tourney hopes just yet. Still going to be really tough but there's a faint pulse.

From what I remember, Joe Lunardi has been pretty accurate over th.e years. Since he had us in "First Four Out" BEFORE today's game, I think we have more than a "faint pulse". I think if we hit 23 wins we have a great shot at a bid, no matter where the wins come from. 24 wins and we are a stone cold lock to make it. IMO

(Waiting for pompous lectures from UofA fans telling me that ASU fans know nothing about tournament selection.)

 

[Mathew81]

I think 24 wins is a probable pick for us, but not a lock.

Lunardi isn't really that accurate. http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html

I hope he's right, but with our low RPI and SOS I don't see us being in right now. Our RPI after this one will probably be around 70. I think only 1 or 2 teams have ever made it with an RPI that high. Anyone with an RPI over 50 shouldn't be confident in a bid.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I think 24 wins is a probable pick for us, but not a lock.

Lunardi isn't really that accurate. http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html

I hope he's right, but with our low RPI and SOS I don't see us being in right now. Our RPI after this one will probably be around 70. I think only 1 or 2 teams have ever made it with an RPI that high. Anyone with an RPI over 50 shouldn't be confident in a bid.

From what I understand, RPI is not looked at as heavily as it use to be...

There was an article not too long ago in the Washington Post that talked about how while the selection committee still uses it as a tool, it is not taken as gospel the way it has been 10 years+ ago..

ASU passes the eye test, hopefully the tourney committee will agree..

Onto more pressing matters..

HUUUUUUUGGGEEEEE WIN FOR THE DEVILS!

With the win, if the Devils go 3-2 here on out and win at least 1 game in the PAC-12 Tourney I think they are have a chance.. 2 wins in the PAC-12 tourney they have a good chance..

Tonight was huge for many reasons, if it ultimately comes down to whether CO or ASU for a spot in the tourney before tonight the Devils didn't even have an argument, winning in Boulder and thus 2-0 versus that team give them a shot to be picked if it comes down to one or the other..

AGAIN, HUUUUUUGE win, so ecstatic!

 

[AzStevenCal]

From what I remember, Joe Lunardi has been pretty accurate over th.e years. Since he had us in "First Four Out" BEFORE today's game, I think we have more than a "faint pulse". I think if we hit 23 wins we have a great shot at a bid, no matter where the wins come from. 24 wins and we are a stone cold lock to make it. IMO

(Waiting for pompous lectures from UofA fans telling me that ASU fans know nothing about tournament selection.)

This is going to sound strange but it depends on whether ASU is a bubble team. If they are considered a bubble team with 23 or 24 wins, they very well may not get in. The committee, time and again, has punished bubble teams for not playing a reasonable schedule. ASU knows this very well.

If Washington, for example, wins the Pac 12 tourney and ASU finishes with 23 wins they'd be a long shot to get an at large bid especially if Colorado, UCLA and California all finish strong. I just can't see 7 Pac schools getting in, more likely 5. If ASU finishes with 23 wins but has the 5th best profile from the conference, I think they get in. They always say they ignore conference affiliations but the facts don't support that claim.

I think ASU probably needs 24 wins minimum to get an at large bid and at least one more quality win (at UCLA or Arizona). Even with 24 wins though, if teams like Villanova and Maryland close strong, it might not be enough. Maryland's win at Duke will probably keep ASU in the first 4 out and might even drop them to the next 4. I think the road win at Colorado should help more than the road loss at Utah hurts but it's close since Utah nationally is considered a bad loss. Pompous enough for ya?

Steve

 

[AsUdUdE]

Arkansas beat Mizzou tonight, another plus that will help the Devils

 

[ajcardfan]

That was a crazy game. Ugly for most of it.

Herb made one of the dumbest substitutions I think I've ever seen. We were up 2 with 10 seconds left and he took out Bachynski for Bo Barnes. I could understand if we were up 3, but we were only up 2. Colorado of course got a wide open dunk to send it to OT.

Luckily we pulled it out. They haven't quite pulled the plug on our tourney hopes just yet. Still going to be really tough but there's a faint pulse.

Yeah, it was a dumb substitution and a dumb defense call. I hate a full court zone press in that situation. Man up, try to take away easy passes, and get them to dribble as much as possible. Especially as you don't have a big to guard the rim. I thought they had blown it there and would lose the overtime.

But, I was impressed with the poise in OT and that turned out to be the biggest road win of the season.