At Odds (Not Oz) With Whiz

[Matt L]

I forgot to add a couple more:

If I lead the team to an unprecedented 5-3 record over the second half of the year, lighting up the scorebaord to the tune of 28 ppg...playing injured with one arm tied behind my back, no less---and the first week after the season I am told that Matt Leinart will be the starting QB going into the next season---how does that make me feel?

According to most stories I have heard, Whiz told Warner that Leinart is the starter but there will be an open competition in training camp and that he will get an opportunity to show that he should be starting. This led to Warner coming to camp in his best shape and this helped him beat out Leinart

If I lead the team to within 2:37 of winning the Lomardi Trophy and the team tries to nickel and dime me on a new contract (after I did this on a mere $5M a year and having to endure the embarrassment of not even being considered the team's styarting QB going into the season), so much so I have to go parade my skills to a division rival to get any serious action---how does that make me feel?

It is yet to be determined if Whiz is actually negotiating everyone's contract or if he was only present during the Q negotiations

Whiz sucks the life out of these guys---he does---it's not sports psychology to understand this.

I will tell you right niow what Whiz is going to do this week:

1. He will re-appoint Anderson as the starter.

2. He will pound Beanie Wells ad nauseum into a Saints' defense that will be stacked in the box, to where Wells will probably re-injure his knee.

He will just want to take the drubbing versus the Saints and then spend the bye week trying to figure it all out from there.

What he did to Beanie Wells this pre-season was unconscionable. He has very little regard for Wells and it shows.

The irony is...Whiz will say that "it's what I would expect from a competitor" when asked about Wells' complaints.

The reality is...Whiz has serious issues with Wells...just as he has serious issue with this year's first rounder, inactive NT Dan Williams, at 329 pounds no less???

These coaches are having a hard time coaching up talent.

BTW...yes, I was opposed to naming Leinart the starter in the first place...but I was one of the first to say that the way Whiz handled ML's situation was egregious. And it was. It was shameful.

Does everyone think that Whiz is twirling his mustache while plotting to ruin the lives of his potential star players?

 

[crisper57]

Does everyone think that Whiz is twirling his mustache while plotting to ruin the lives of his star players?

Certainly not. His mustache is too short to be twirled.

 

[azsouthendzone]

It's really hard to respond to this ridiculousness in a polite way. Think whatever you want, the guy has been the OC on a super bowl winning team, and has been a major part of another offense that made it to the super bowl and past the first round of the playoffs last year. You clearly are pretty objective about the matter though.

There is some opinion on here that azsouthendzone just blindly hates Whisenhunt. I really wish that was the case, but I don't hate him, and any issue I have with him is well thought out over his complete body of work and clearly only my opinion, which over the last few weeks is obviously becoming much more prevalent. You can bash me, talk trash, do whatever. Throw out the "do you want a cookie" line. It's just football. But personal attacks over Whisenhunt's job performance are bizarre but to each his own.

I aknowledge that he has had success as an OC in the past, although I won't anoint him some offensive genius or some legend, sorry. Last time I checked that team that he was the OC for has been just a tad successful since he left. He has had issues calling plays. That is why he hired Haley. If you can't see that sorry. You act as if questioning Whisenhunt calling plays is something new. Just keep with the personal attacks and bullying. it makes your opinion sound more relevant.

 

[Mitch]

If there is a lockout, wouldn't you want to field your best team possible to leave the fans with the best feelings possible leading into the work stoppage instead of feeling that the team is a joke? If that is their strategy it is severley flawed. This year's Lombardi looks the same as the next one.

BEST POST OF THE DAY, AZSEZ!

 

[azsouthendzone]

Does everyone think that Whiz is twirling his mustache while plotting to ruin the lives of his potential star players?

No, just think he is a failure at managing personnel.

 

[Second Deck]

I found it to be quite funny.

At least then maybe Beanie would get a start.

 

[DoTheDew]

If there is a lockout, wouldn't you want to field your best team possible to leave the fans with the best feelings possible leading into the work stoppage instead of feeling that the team is a joke? If that is their strategy it is severley flawed. This year's Lombardi looks the same as the next one.

If you are the Bidwill's and your main source of income is the team, you can either spend like crazy to do as you say and have a really weird budget next year during the lockout, or you can bank in this year. While it'd be great if the fans loved the team, if opposing fans buy tickets to your home games you still get paid as an owner.

If there is a lockout, it's pretty unpredictable as to what the fans feelings will be. There's already been numerous people who have said if there is a lockout they will stop watching football as they did with baseball in the past. It doesn't really matter what their feelings are going into the lockout, a year off is a long time for feelings to change.

 

[Duckjake]

I found it to be quite funny.

Ah you're just jealous that K9 got to be board contrarian this year.

 

[azsouthendzone]

If you are the Bidwill's and your main source of income is the team, you can either spend like crazy to do as you say and have a really weird budget next year during the lockout, or you can bank in this year. While it'd be great if the fans loved the team, if opposing fans buy tickets to your home games you still get paid as an owner.

If there is a lockout, it's pretty unpredictable as to what the fans feelings will be. There's already been numerous people who have said if there is a lockout they will stop watching football as they did with baseball in the past. It doesn't really matter what their feelings are going into the lockout, a year off is a long time for feelings to change.

They have spent money this year, just in a really bad way. The issue, in my opinion was bad moves, not thrift driven moves. DA isn't worth anything and that guy basically has a guaranteed deal.

 

[Mitch]

If you are the Bidwill's and your main source of income is the team, you can either spend like crazy to do as you say and have a really weird budget next year during the lockout, or you can bank in this year. While it'd be great if the fans loved the team, if opposing fans buy tickets to your home games you still get paid as an owner.

If there is a lockout, it's pretty unpredictable as to what the fans feelings will be. There's already been numerous people who have said if there is a lockout they will stop watching football as they did with baseball in the past. It doesn't really matter what their feelings are going into the lockout, a year off is a long time for feelings to change.

I really hope the fans make the statement this year that the Bidwils aren't going to profit on them...in a year where the Bidwills slashed salaries left and right and, quite frankly, don't deserve a winner.

It's time for a string of blackouts...and sadly this may be the trend for years to come.

The Bidwills could not handle success. They never have and never will.

 

[football karma]

this board has officially gone insane

 

[azsouthendzone]

The Bidwills could not handle success. They never have and never will.

I hope not. I really hope it is just the coach.

 

[Duckjake]

this board has officially gone insane

The Cards have lost their last 3 games against top caliber NFL Teams 45-14, 41-7 and 41-10. I don't blame us.

 

[desertdawg]

Say it isn't so! I for one am faced with no other choice but to keep watching. Trainwreck or not. I guess I am willing to consider the first game after the bye my new "first game of the season."

Defense can do nothing but improve, I cant see them having the same problems all year.
Offense is going to be a completely different entity, post DA might be a little better.(better or worse, who knows?)

Whiz, what can I say? I haven't agreed with some of his moves. DA and Porter was a big chunk of worthless money thrown down. Add the fact we payed Leinart millions to hang out, instead of trading him while he was still economically viable.

Whiz is bought and payed for, he will be here for a minute. I'm just hoping he can put a squad together that will play for more than a minute.

Come on Whiz, you can do it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I really hope the fans make the statement this year that the Bidwils aren't going to profit on them...in a year where the Bidwills slashed salaries left and right and, quite frankly, don't deserve a winner.

It's time for a string of blackouts...and sadly this may be the trend for years to come.

The Bidwills could not handle success. They never have and never will.

Damn Mitch... this thread is loaded with good stuff from you. And for a Whiz guy like me, I admit I am struggling... I'm not ready to nail the Dansby & Rolle losses on him. And I'm not ready to suggest that Warner went fishing in SF prior to re-signing with us, because of Whiz. I'm also not ready to say that the Bidwills intentionally forced those situations by not being able to handle success... not yet. Not when we are just 2 years removed from almost winning a Super Bowl. Not when we are coming off of back to back division titles.

Do you really believe this team isn't talented enough to be more competitive? Do you believe that replacing Rolle with Rhodes was a bad move and that we should have done better??
Yes, we lost Dansby and that hurt...And yes, we clearly didn't find a suitable replacement(s). But we did draft a kid who has shown some promise.
C'mon man... it's not uncommon for teams to cycle thru players. Philly has made a history of this. All teams have.

What is most concerning to me is just how bad we look in all phases of the game. And I'm convinced it's not due to lack of talent. I believe the Bidwills have done a more than adequate job in providing for an appropriate degree of talent. More than enough to be way more competitive than we've been.
No, this is not about a lack of talent. There is something much more insidious going on here. Again, not ready to hang that on Whiz, but, as a Head Coach, it's his responsibility to diagnose this cancer and nuke it, NOW! I am not suggesting that Whiz needs to win the division again in order to clear his name. However, blow-out losses need to stop - NOW! I don't care if we only win 6-7 games this year, as long as we're competitive and come back in 2011 and dominate the division once again. But losing 41-7 needs to STOP, NOW!!

 

[Shane]

But losing 41-7 needs to STOP, NOW!!

It already has. We only lost 41-10 last week.

 

[Duckjake]

It already has. We only lost 41-10 last week.

Thank you Kerry Rhodes.

 

[Shane]

Thank you Kerry Rhodes.

and Greg Toler.

 

[Reddog]

Put down the hater-aide. I think the players like him and respect him. Look at Dockett's trust in him. Look some bone head moves have been made but I think Kurt leaving surprised them and I think this potential pre-lockout season has a lot to do with some of the choices.

 

[PACardsFan]

Sadly, Ron, Whiz is doing very little to expunge the perceptions that this team was carried by Kurt Warner.

I will tell you this...whom does Whiz think he's really speaking to in his Monday pressers?

It's the fans...who want to know how in the world you can play the Chargers and lay an egg so foul that Antonio Gates is virtually NEVER covered in the game...and that a sub-par, injury depleted defense can sack you 9 times and hold you to 3 points and what, 120 yards?

I find myself wishing today that Whiz was not extended.

He did not act the way a head coach should after yet another inexcusable debacle, follwing a home game where the team did far more to lose than win.

He should have been ripped and visibly so.

Instead he played it cute and flip.

This is why his team decides not to show up when they don't want to.

It's a disgrace.

If it were up to me I would ask him to go after the Georgia Tech job and let us hire a truly competent head coach who can actually motivate rather than alientate players.

Sorry...this is what I feel.

I do not like this guy anymore.

Please STOP this nonsense!!!!!!!!! My Goodness, how long have you been a Cardinal fan? We're 2-2, and working through a very difficult transition. I have seen MANY, MANY garbage teams & HC's in my 46 years as a Cardinal fan. Can we not give Whiz the benefit of the doubt after he rescued this team from 20 years of shitdom in the desert??? I just can't stand reading this garbage day after day. Whiz's resume reads SUCCESS everywhere he's been. The guy took a woeful franchise & put them back on the map. Professional football is all about W's, plain & simple. I'd rather be 2-2 with 2 lopsided W's, than be 1-3 or 0-4 & losing by a combined 7 pts. I'VE SEEN THE CARDINALS DO THAT MANY TIMES IN THE PAST!!!!! You're left thinking that "Oh we're really close to being good, we really could be & should be 3-1". That's BS. Whiz has taught these guys how to win, no matter how ugly it sometimes appears.

Whiz is an old school type of HC & he won't band-aid his problems, even if it means we have a few ugly L's in the process. Marty Schottenheimer was similar in that respect. He took $hit teams & slowly turned them into winners & solid winners. Whiz will do the same. You Benedict Arnolds are killing me. Please stop the whining & get back to your lives. Leave Whiz to deal with this. The team is in good hands, just wait & see.

 

[WildBB]

I think that ultimately what is going on right now is that the ownership, anticipating a lockout next year, told Whiz "Look, we'll give you this big extension, but we're going to have a low budget team this year. Make the most of it and plan for the future."

That is ultimately why we didn't pursue McNabb and why we went with DA and cut Matt. That is why we cut Rolle. That is why we wouldn't "overpay" for Dansby in order to keep our D strong. Why we traded Boldin.

Whiz looked at the dollar signs. He thought to himself, "Ok. I can be a yes man to ownership for one year. Have a nice draft. When the labor dispute is resolved it will finally be my team with my players. In the mean time, since I'm being forced to go with scrub QBs and a gutted defense, I'll cash my paycheck and try to find some diamonds in the rough."

Pretty much dead on. Whiz has the FO backing , no if's and's or but's.

I hope the vets don't mail it in now. I don't think the coaches will tolerate it.

There could be more benchings. We'll see this weekend.

 

[PACardsFan]

Reading this board, you'd think we're 0-4... Sure, we've had two terrible losses, but we've also won two games so far, and have done exactly what has been expected so far in terms of W/L in a transition year.

It's funny that certain people here are willing to place all the blame on Whis, but fail to place any of the blame on the front office.

Further, it seems ridiculous to use Warner in an example criticizing Whiz, considering Warner himself is telling everyone to take a deep breath, and to trust Whis.

"I no Cards nation is in a panic, but based on what I no of Coach Wiz, I have complete confidence he will make RIGHT decisions & rally troops"

Obviously we're going to lose this week, and the usual suspects will rail against Whis, and bitch and moan, but let's try to keep the whining to a minimum until we lose a game we shouldn't.

Voice of reason!!

 

[Shane]

Voice of reason!!

2nd

 

[Duckjake]

and Greg Toler.

Hey don't be such a jerk. Everyone has been saying that Rhodes couldn't run with the ball like Rolle did so I thought it was cool he returned a fumble for a TD.

 

[PACardsFan]

I think that ultimately what is going on right now is that the ownership, anticipating a lockout next year, told Whiz "Look, we'll give you this big extension, but we're going to have a low budget team this year. Make the most of it and plan for the future."

That is ultimately why we didn't pursue McNabb and why we went with DA and cut Matt. That is why we cut Rolle. That is why we wouldn't "overpay" for Dansby in order to keep our D strong. Why we traded Boldin.

Whiz looked at the dollar signs. He thought to himself, "Ok. I can be a yes man to ownership for one year. Have a nice draft. When the labor dispute is resolved it will finally be my team with my players. In the mean time, since I'm being forced to go with scrub QBs and a gutted defense, I'll cash my paycheck and try to find some diamonds in the rough."

The last 3 years ownership actually spent the money to keep this team deep. Warner retired and we cleared the books. It's really no surprise that we suck. Whiz is simply playing the cards he's been dealt.

Aha, someone with a brain on this board. Good post & dead-on correct.