At todays practice..

[Gaddabout]

Some of you remind me of Gator fans.

 

[Shane]

Good thing he didn't have to throw it

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

It's a theory on why he looks worse this camp.

Alex Smith completely redid his mechanics reportedly and they had Harbaugh on tv and he said he thinks it's going to help him in the long run but over the short haul he wouldn't be surprised if Smith had some ups and downs getting used to the new mechanics.

I'm one of those who thinks Kolb is better, if he can stay healthy, but I truly help Skelton's issues right now are due to something like that and not just that with the pressure of the job on him, he's folding.

WHIS needs to take a page from Harbaugh and significantly pare down and simplify the playbook. That iis the true reason Smith played much better last season. I am fairly certain I read a good article about Harbaugh taking out sight adjustmets and other more complicated plays to help Alex along and take a lot of the thinking out of his game.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

As much as I hate Peyton Manning for not coming here because it would have made us contenders, I might hate him more because we still have this "crap v. poop" debate and dividing our fan base every day.

Truth.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Good thing he didn't have to throw it

Check out Lyle Sendlein at the end - giving Skelton a headbutt sans helmet. LOL

 

[Bodha]

Lyle runs up without a helmet on "hit my head" and headbutts Skelton.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Because Alex Smith isn't playing on a six-year, $62 million contract with $21 million guaranteed. Alex Smith has had established league-average or better performance when given extended playing time since he worked with Norv Turner.

Sorry, but Kolb is a five-year NFL veteran. He doesn't get the excuse of lacking PT. He's had SIX NFL training camps where he was either the outright starter or the #2. He's had plenty of reps to hone his game.

Why does his contract bother you. Are you Bidwill's accountant? How has his contract hindered the Cards in any way? Name one player or signing the Cards attempted to make, but didn't, becuase of Kolb's contract. Don't say Peyton Manning either. He was Denver bound from the get go. In fact the pusuit of Manning shows the Cards weren't hindered by Kolb's contract.

I'll give you that it looks like Kolb may not live up to his end of the bargain but the contract is not really the issue. The Cards, and the entire NFL for that matter, have bad contracts. Just look at the Joey Porter and Stewart Bradley signings.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Cam Newton didn't seem to have a hard time doing it. I'm sure that it's easier to understand your second NFL playbook than your first.

But, you know, don't let a career of sub-mediocrity be the enemy of hope that the guy who developed nobody can develop the guy Andy Reid handpicked and gave up on.

Cam is a once in a decade talent who had more time to prepare and they in fact tailored the playbook to his style of play in College; not so in AZ. Last I checked, Whiz is not the QB coach or the O-coordinator. But, hey... don't let these nuggets stand in your way. Carry on.

 

[BigRedRage]

That's ridiculous. As soon as he was signed it was like he was the second coming. Last pre-season I had the gall to suggest he didn't look accurate and I was lambasted by the masses.

Maybe I just felt I was in the majority with not wanting kolb.

 

[JeffGollin]

Did anyone get video of Eddie Elder's hit on Anthony Sherman? Knocked his helmet off? That sounds like a really fun collision.

Urban says it was Colin Parker who delivered the decleator.

 

[kerouac9]

Why does his contract bother you. Are you Bidwill's accountant? How has his contract hindered the Cards in any way? Name one player or signing the Cards attempted to make, but didn't, becuase of Kolb's contract. Don't say Peyton Manning either. He was Denver bound from the get go. In fact the pusuit of Manning shows the Cards weren't hindered by Kolb's contract.

I'll give you that it looks like Kolb may not live up to his end of the bargain but the contract is not really the issue. The Cards, and the entire NFL for that matter, have bad contracts. Just look at the Joey Porter and Stewart Bradley signings.

Because in the NFL contract = expectations. By any measure, Kevin Kolb as a guy who the Cards traded a 2nd round pick and Pro Bowl cornerback and then signed to a $62 million contract for has been a colossal failure. He failed to meet any of the expectations set for him. The next time I hear a Kolb apologist admit this will be the first.

Are you ready to say that the Cards would've been better off in every way if they'd signed Alex Smith for two years, $15 million last offseason than the deal they did make for Kolb? Even if Smith had played to his career averages?

Am I disappointed that Skelton isn't playing better? Kind of. But he's also getting paid some $525,000 this year. He's the third-highest paid quarterback on the roster. Do I have the same expectations for a 5th round pick from Fordham who hasn't had a real training camp as I do for a $62 million QB who's been the heir apparent or outright starter in the NFL for 5 years? No.

I don't think that Skelton is good. I desperately hope the Cards grab Tyler Wilson next year. But I don't want to watch the Cards play football with Kevin Kolb, because I don't think they learn how to tailor an offense for a young QB if he's starting.

 

[Duckjake]

the only real grade to give Kolb after one season is INC.

INC. Awesome. Excellent choice. Just too funny.

Skelton of course gets an INT.grade.

For those touting Bartel, sorry he's like a Summer Resort in Wisconsin. He closes up shop after Labor Day.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Cam is a once in a decade talent who had more time to prepare and they in fact tailored the playbook to his style of play in College; not so in AZ. Last I checked, Whiz is not the QB coach or the O-coordinator. But, hey... don't let these nuggets stand in your way. Carry on.

So you are seriously trying to sell that Whiz has nothing to do with the offense run in AZ ?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Skelton can do no wrong because he "wins".

That is simply not true. Skelton can do wrong, and even his supporters admit this constantly.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

So you are seriously trying to sell that Whiz has nothing to do with the offense run in AZ ?

No I am not and you are seriously misreading what I wrote.

 

[SeattleCard]

Good thing he didn't have to throw it

LOL

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Because in the NFL contract = expectations. By any measure, Kevin Kolb as a guy who the Cards traded a 2nd round pick and Pro Bowl cornerback and then signed to a $62 million contract for has been a colossal failure. He failed to meet any of the expectations set for him. The next time I hear a Kolb apologist admit this will be the first.

Are you ready to say that the Cards would've been better off in every way if they'd signed Alex Smith for two years, $15 million last offseason than the deal they did make for Kolb? Even if Smith had played to his career averages?

Am I disappointed that Skelton isn't playing better? Kind of. But he's also getting paid some $525,000 this year. He's the third-highest paid quarterback on the roster. Do I have the same expectations for a 5th round pick from Fordham who hasn't had a real training camp as I do for a $62 million QB who's been the heir apparent or outright starter in the NFL for 5 years? No.

I don't think that Skelton is good. I desperately hope the Cards grab Tyler Wilson next year. But I don't want to watch the Cards play football with Kevin Kolb, because I don't think they learn how to tailor an offense for a young QB if he's starting.

I've said Kolb hasn't lived up to his contract but he isn't the first and won't be the last player to not live up to expectations. Of course, I'm willing to give him this year, you're not. I don't have high hopes for Kolb staying healthy and having a good year but I am willing to give him the chance.

As for Alex Smith, I don't agree the Cards would be better off with him. Reason being, like mentioned above, is that Whiz wouldn't, or hasn't, re-structured his offenses to hide bad QB play the way Harbaugh did in SF last year. Call that Whiz being stubborn, or whtever you want, but he's pretty much run the same thing regardless if Kurt Warner or Max Hall is back there. Harbuagh ran an offense to keep Smith from costing them games and limit his impact.

 

[Stout]

Skelton's overall play can be rated as poor to mediocre, and his wins are largely attributed to breaks provided by the defense and special teams.

He stays on the team, regardless of the W/L record, because of his own built-in excuse that he's from a small school and needs time to polish his skill set.

Don't buy that Kolb is the only QB with apologists.

Here it is, once again...a QB goes 7-2 and deserves absolutely zero credit for it. The stupidest, most asinine statement possible. He has had and may still have major issues. No one has ever denied this, not even 'Skelton apologists'. He also brought skills to the table that CERTAINLY AND UNDENIABLY helped win games. Only a flat-out moron would deny that.

+1

Skelton can do no wrong because he "wins", but by every other metric that would predict success (TD:INT ratio, QB Rating) John Skelton is literally a bottom three QB.

We've seen two years of how bad Skelton is, I doubt he gets much better. The only reason I want Kolb is because at least he can say he didn't even have much time to learn the offense.

No, Skelton can do wrong--plenty of wrong--which Skelton backers like myself have enumerated time and again. The problem is, people will insist on saying he had zero, zip, nil, nada, zilch, to do with any teensy little part of winning the games. The above post proves the point, once again.

Here we go, sports fans...once and for all...I am putting out a roll call for idiots on here...anyone want to step forward, accept the dunce badge, and say that Skelton's play had nothing to do with us winning games last season? I am not making a personal attack, as I am attacking a completely indefensible and moronic viewpoint. Anyone want to say it? Bring it.

 

[desertdawg]

Here it is, once again...a QB goes 7-2 and deserves absolutely zero credit for it. The stupidest, most asinine statement possible. He has had and may still have major issues. No one has ever denied this, not even 'Skelton apologists'. He also brought skills to the table that CERTAINLY AND UNDENIABLY helped win games. Only a flat-out moron would deny that.



No, Skelton can do wrong--plenty of wrong--which Skelton backers like myself have enumerated time and again. The problem is, people will insist on saying he had zero, zip, nil, nada, zilch, to do with any teensy little part of winning the games. The above post proves the point, once again.

Here we go, sports fans...once and for all...I am putting out a roll call for idiots on here...anyone want to step forward, accept the dunce badge, and say that Skelton's play had nothing to do with us winning games last season? I am not making a personal attack, as I am attacking a completely indefensible and moronic viewpoint. Anyone want to say it? Bring it.

I'll be your Huckleberry. Camp is what it is, Kolb is looking like the better option. Skelton made some bomb ass plays after some horrible starts, won some big games for us and made the season a lot easier to watch. This apologists word you've been throwing around lately (about both QB's fans) is pretty funny though. I told you back in the dizzle it wouldn't be much of a QB competition, because Kolb is better at this point in time. It's more of a health issue that worries me with Kolb, 2012-13 is his last chance to remain a Cardinal, give him that chance before you get all worked up and pre-ejaculate the hate in pre-season vato loco. Just breath homie, football is almost here. Then all football arguements/debates might have legs to stand on.

 

[Duckjake]

Here it is, once again...a QB goes 7-2 and deserves absolutely zero credit for it. The stupidest, most asinine statement possible. He has had and may still have major issues. No one has ever denied this, not even 'Skelton apologists'. He also brought skills to the table that CERTAINLY AND UNDENIABLY helped win games. Only a flat-out moron would deny that.



No, Skelton can do wrong--plenty of wrong--which Skelton backers like myself have enumerated time and again. The problem is, people will insist on saying he had zero, zip, nil, nada, zilch, to do with any teensy little part of winning the games. The above post proves the point, once again.

Here we go, sports fans...once and for all...I am putting out a roll call for idiots on here...anyone want to step forward, accept the dunce badge, and say that Skelton's play had nothing to do with us winning games last season? I am not making a personal attack, as I am attacking a completely indefensible and moronic viewpoint. Anyone want to say it? Bring it.

I agree. It's like saying Kolb had nothing to do with the Carolina win just because Peterson won it with a punt return at the end. It's just easier to say the improvement was all special teams and defense and so belittle Skelton than it is to find reasons other than hope that Kolb will be successful.

At least Krang points to actual statistics.

 

[Duckjake]

I'll be your Huckleberry. Camp is what it is, Kolb is looking like the better option. Skelton made some bomb ass plays after some horrible starts, won some big games for us and made the season a lot easier to watch. This apologists word you've been throwing around lately (about both QB's fans) is pretty funny though. I told you back in the dizzle it wouldn't be much of a QB competition, because Kolb is better at this point in time. It's more of a health issue that worries me with Kolb, 2012-13 is his last chance to remain a Cardinal, give him that chance before you get all worked up and pre-ejaculate the hate in pre-season vato loco. Just breath homie, football is almost here. Then all football arguements/debates might have legs to stand on.

Bro, defending Skelton isn't hating on Kolb. We had the same situation with Beanie and Hightower. If you were a Beanie wearer people claimed you were hating on Hightower and vice versa. Too many 5-11 seasons probably warped our brains.

 

[desertdawg]

Bro, defending Skelton isn't hating on Kolb. We had the same situation with Beanie and Hightower. If you were a Beanie wearer people claimed you were hating on Hightower and vice versa. Too many 5-11 seasons probably warped our brains.

Yamon, I like Skelton too. I remember everyone saying "good late round draft pick...needs a few years in the league...project...all that good stuff.

I think Skelton is ahead of schedule, the gametime he has had, he has proven he is learning IMO. He has the "it" thing going when he forgets about mechanics and is marching down the field in the fourth, we've all seen it. I think Kolb is more ready to go "right now", that's all I'm saying bruddah.

 

[Jetstream Green]

As much as I hate Peyton Manning for not coming here because it would have made us contenders, I might hate him more because we still have this "crap v. poop" debate and dividing our fan base every day.

lol, good one

 

[MadCardDisease]

As much as I hate Peyton Manning for not coming here because it would have made us contenders, I might hate him more because we still have this "crap v. poop" debate and dividing our fan base every day.

Ditto! But it will be even worse if Peyton has a monster season.

 

[Krangodnzr]

No, Skelton can do wrong--plenty of wrong--which Skelton backers like myself have enumerated time and again. The problem is, people will insist on saying he had zero, zip, nil, nada, zilch, to do with any teensy little part of winning the games. The above post proves the point, once again.

Here we go, sports fans...once and for all...I am putting out a roll call for idiots on here...anyone want to step forward, accept the dunce badge, and say that Skelton's play had nothing to do with us winning games last season? I am not making a personal attack, as I am attacking a completely indefensible and moronic viewpoint. Anyone want to say it? Bring it.

Now I'm going to throw out the absolute improbable:

If Kolb doesn't get hurt and the defense has it's late season turn around, do you think Kolb could have done the same? That's my thoughts on the matter, I think it was a team effort, while Skelton apologists such as yourself counter any Skelton criticism with:

7-2!

DURRRR!

That's how I see it; Skelton apologists give him way too much credit. He is the love child of Jake Plummer and Kent Graham. He has the Durrr! look of Jake Plummer with his flair for late game theatrics but also the terrible play the first 3 quarters of the game. And he has the great size and horrific accuracy of Kent Graham (who also had late game moments).

So answer your roll call for dunce badges, but you may want to get in the long line of the "I told you so" that I will be feeding you when John Skelton is a journeyman QB 5 years from now.