At todays practice..

[cardpa]

Thanks for the reports Shane.

 

[Garthshort]

Even though I'll be leaving a week from today for my annual trip up to the Saratoga racetrack, I do not consider myself a gambler. As for football, since I play fantasy football and am in a survivor pool, I guess I do a little gambling. But if I were a betting man, it seems the HOF game is a SURE THING.

1. From all reports (from Flag) our QB play has been awful.
2. And while we have the potential for a good running game, Wells won't play and Williams might have a cameo.
3. I doubt that PP will return punts or LSH return kicks.

Hence, I doubt that we'll put up many points.

On the other hand, NO (-3) will be playing with a chip on their shoulder and will be out to send a message to the entire NFL. So while usually I see PS games as a sucker bet, I see the HOF as a sure thing. Anyone agree, or disagree?

 

[Buckybird]

Even though I'll be leaving a week from today for my annual trip up to the Saratoga racetrack, I do not consider myself a gambler. As for football, since I play fantasy football and am in a survivor pool, I guess I do a little gambling. But if I were a betting man, it seems the HOF game is a SURE THING.

1. From all reports (from Flag) our QB play has been awful.
2. And while we have the potential for a good running game, Wells won't play and Williams might have a cameo.
3. I doubt that PP will return punts or LSH return kicks.

Hence, I doubt that we'll put up many points.

On the other hand, NO (-3) will be playing with a chip on their shoulder and will be out to send a message to the entire NFL. So while usually I see PS games as a sucker bet, I see the HOF as a sure thing. Anyone agree, or disagree?

Never a sure thing with our Redbirds...win when we least expect it & lose when it's a sure thing. Just my 2 cents...lost many times on these clowns

 

[kerouac9]

Even though I'll be leaving a week from today for my annual trip up to the Saratoga racetrack, I do not consider myself a gambler. As for football, since I play fantasy football and am in a survivor pool, I guess I do a little gambling. But if I were a betting man, it seems the HOF game is a SURE THING.

1. From all reports (from Flag) our QB play has been awful.
2. And while we have the potential for a good running game, Wells won't play and Williams might have a cameo.
3. I doubt that PP will return punts or LSH return kicks.

Hence, I doubt that we'll put up many points.

On the other hand, NO (-3) will be playing with a chip on their shoulder and will be out to send a message to the entire NFL. So while usually I see PS games as a sucker bet, I see the HOF as a sure thing. Anyone agree, or disagree?

I don't know. Even if New Orleans's starters are motivated, they're only going to play two or three series. Do you want to have money on the line when William Powell is getting his 16th carry against an undrafted free agent linebacker who is going to be selling insurance in 45 days?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't know. Even if New Orleans's starters are motivated, they're only going to play two or three series. Do you want to have money on the line when William Powell is getting his 16th carry against an undrafted free agent linebacker who is going to be selling insurance in 45 days?

who would Kwisatz Haderach bet on?

 

[Garthshort]

I gues I'm on the side of.........."If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's probably a...........".

 

[Mitch]

I gues I'm on the side of.........."If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's probably a...........".

it's probably a........pig with lipstick

 

[kerouac9]

who would Kwisatz Haderach bet on?

NFL preseason games are a complete crap shoot and sucker bet. I'd probably take the Cards if I had a gun to my head, but mostly because Richard Bartel is a preseason all-pro, and the Saints have so much money invested in their starters that I think they've had to scrimp on depth.

I'd expect that our #2s and #3s could lead us back from a 17-3 first-quarter deficit.

 

[Shane]

Ok other observations finally:

Much like Bodha I just don't see a way that Michael Adams doesn't again make this team. He is in on everything and just a hard nosed guy.

Andre Roberts looks good. He is definitely getting better each and every year at this point. We all know that many NFL WRs really start to blossom in year 2 or 3(or they used too).

The WR Byrd looks like batter physical specimen to me than Floyd. To bad he doesn't have the tools to match.

I usually have a lot of cool plays to describe which makes this fun. But the QB play was so incredibly awful yesterday that there just wasnt much to report on. Skelton was so bad he seemed like the 7th round rookie. At this rate I just don't see him winning the job. I know Jersey and Chris say they don't want the lesser of two evils they want someone to take it. Based on two of Chris reports where he basically said Kolb looked decent. And based on the three guys I spoke to yesterday who said Skelton was every bit as horrible in the dome the day before yesterday. While Kolb looked "very sharp" prior to injury. It would seem to me that he is "taking it" Live bullets start Sunday. So we will find out for sure soon enough. All I know Skelton put out the worst practice I have ever seen in Flag in all my years of going to camp. It was just awful. Oh and that includes some pretty terrible QBs over the years.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I wonder why Skelton is looking so bad. You would think this is the year he would step up. Maybe the pressure to step up is getting to him although he doesn't seem like the type that let's pressure bother him all that much.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I wonder why Skelton is looking so bad. You would think this is the year he would step up. Maybe the pressure to step up is getting to him although he doesn't seem like the type that let's pressure bother him all that much.

He's waiting till the 4th preseason game to look good.

 

[Shane]

He's waiting till the 4th preseason game to look good.

Be to little to late. Pretty stupid strategy if that's the case.

 

[Russ Smith]

I wonder why Skelton is looking so bad. You would think this is the year he would step up. Maybe the pressure to step up is getting to him although he doesn't seem like the type that let's pressure bother him all that much.

Another guess would be that Whiz and his coaches worked with Skelton on throwing mechanics, footwork etc and like Leinart and others before him, he's struggling to apply those changes?

Some guys really struggle when they have to think instead of just let it rip, where are my feet, is my arm angle correct etc. I'm hoping that's Skelton's issue and he'll get used to it(muscle memory etc) and improve.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Be to little to late. Pretty stupid strategy if that's the case.

yeah I know.

I was just joking since he doesn't do anything till the 4th quarter.

 

[Duckjake]

Great. Skelton sucks What are we going to do when Kolb gets knocked out In game 5?

Amazing that a guy can play 4 years of college, get drafted into the NFL and can't throw a football 15 feet accurately.

5-11 time once again.

 

[Shane]

Another guess would be that Whiz and his coaches worked with Skelton on throwing mechanics, footwork etc and like Leinart and others before him, he's struggling to apply those changes?

Some guys really struggle when they have to think instead of just let it rip, where are my feet, is my arm angle correct etc. I'm hoping that's Skelton's issue and he'll get used to it(muscle memory etc) and improve.

Yea Im not buying what your selling Russ. This is his third year with the Cards and these coaches. Whiz has always been very critical on mechanics, footwork, etc... We know this from the Leinart days. After three years of getting this coaching and training the muscle memory should already be there. He just isn't getting it. JMO. In fact I was at the previous two training camps and we have all seen Skelton play in actual games the last two years. It seems as though he is getting worse.

 

[Pariah]

Another guess would be that Whiz and his coaches worked with Skelton on throwing mechanics, footwork etc and like Leinart and others before him, he's struggling to apply those changes?

It seems as though he is getting worse.

Maybe the problem is Whiz working with the QBs. Outside of Warner, each one he's "worked with" has declined in production.

Does Mike Martz have a job? I'd love to see him come in as a QB consultant. Warner and others credit him with changing the way they see the position.

 

[Shane]

Maybe the problem is Whiz working with the QBs. Outside of Warner, each one he's "worked with" has declined in production.

I dont necessarily think Whiz works with QB's directly. I have spent equivalent of weeks at TC over his 5 years and I NEVER see him working directly with the QB like that. Its always the QB coach and OC. Last one I can recall would be Roethlisberger with Steelers and he was fine his first two years.

Warner was resurrected under his regime. Everyone else he/coaches has had to work with is basically garbage anyway(includes Leinart) so really hard to say.

 

[Evil Ash]

Yea Im not buying what your selling Russ. This is his third year with the Cards and these coaches. Whiz has always been very critical on mechanics, footwork, etc... We know this from the Leinart days. After three years of getting this coaching and training the muscle memory should already be there. He just isn't getting it. JMO. In fact I was at the previous two training camps and we have all seen Skelton play in actual games the last two years. It seems as though he is getting worse.

Eh Maybe. His first year he started off as fourth string and mostly were working on off the field stuff to adjust to the game. Last season they were critical of his mechanics but with the lack of an offseason weren't able to really work with him all that much.

This is really the first offseason they've had a chance to work with him regarding this

We'll have to wait and see if and when he adjusts

 

[kerouac9]

Eh Maybe. His first year he started off as fourth string and mostly were working on off the field stuff to adjust to the game. Last season they were critical of his mechanics but with the lack of an offseason weren't able to really work with him all that much.

This is really the first offseason they've had a chance to work with him regarding this

We'll have to wait and see if and when he adjusts

Yup. Shane couldn't be more wrong in thinking that the Arizona Cardinals' coaching staff has a ton of time an energy invested in John Skelton's development to this point:

Rookie year: 4th string behind Leinart, Anderson, and Hall.
Last year: Kolb's signed and need to be integrated, no offseason due to lockout, injured after 1st preseason game.
This year: Shortened offseason work time due to new CBA.

There just isn't a lot of time to develop even backup players in the NFL today. I don't think that Skelton is good, but I also don't think that he's maxed out his potential or been over-coached.

Disappointing that this offensive staff has the touch to turn any promising QB prospect to garbage as soon as they're placed in the starting role.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Disappointing that this offensive staff has the touch to turn any promising QB prospect to garbage as soon as they're placed in the starting role.

Talk about advancing an agenda. In what world is a 5th round pick out of Fordham a "promising" QB prospect that is expected to make ANY level of impact in the NFL? Look at the numbers on QBs drafted after the 2nd round. Its essentially a hope or a dream.

The only "Promising" prospect that didnt work out was Leinart and that wasn't Wiz's call to draft him. The problem maybe in his belief in his own abilities to turn chicken s--- into Chicken Salad. Trying to turn Derek Anderson, Max Hall, and John Skeleton into Top 15 starting QB's isnt happening with Bill Walsh let alone Ken Whisenhunt.

 

[Shane]

Talk about advancing an agenda. In what world is a 5th round pick out of Fordham a "promising" QB prospect that is expected to make ANY level of impact in the NFL? Look at the numbers on QBs drafted after the 2nd round. Its essentially a hope or a dream.

The only "Promising" prospect that didnt work out was Leinart and that wasn't Wiz's call to draft him. The problem maybe in his belief in his own abilities to turn chicken s--- into Chicken Salad. Trying to turn Derek Anderson, Max Hall, and John Skeleton into Top 15 starting QB's isnt happening with Bill Walsh let alone Ken Whisenhunt.

Good stuff

 

[Shane]

Yup. Shane couldn't be more wrong in thinking that the Arizona Cardinals' coaching staff has a ton of time an energy invested in John Skelton's development to this point:

Rookie year: 4th string behind Leinart, Anderson, and Hall.
Last year: Kolb's signed and need to be integrated, no offseason due to lockout, injured after 1st preseason game.
This year: Shortened offseason work time due to new CBA.

There just isn't a lot of time to develop even backup players in the NFL today. I don't think that Skelton is good, but I also don't think that he's maxed out his potential or been over-coached.

Disappointing that this offensive staff has the touch to turn any promising QB prospect to garbage as soon as they're placed in the starting role.

Bunk. Yea they aren't given the reps that the #1 and 2 are. Obviously. But they aren't ignored to say the least. They are coached and are in the film room studying their mechanics etc... To say or claim otherwise is foolish. Heck Skelton even played in meaningful games in year 1. But of course this is about as dead on right as you saying the O I'd ahead of the D in training camp

 

[kerouac9]

Talk about advancing an agenda. In what world is a 5th round pick out of Fordham a "promising" QB prospect that is expected to make ANY level of impact in the NFL? Look at the numbers on QBs drafted after the 2nd round. Its essentially a hope or a dream.

The only "Promising" prospect that didnt work out was Leinart and that wasn't Wiz's call to draft him. The problem maybe in his belief in his own abilities to turn chicken s--- into Chicken Salad. Trying to turn Derek Anderson, Max Hall, and John Skeleton into Top 15 starting QB's isnt happening with Bill Walsh let alone Ken Whisenhunt.

Was Kolb not a promising QB prospect? I seem to remember some fairly outspoken members of the board pointing me to his highlight reel from Philly and explaining to me that he was going to be a "superstar" and that when he plays at a Pro Bowl level for the Cards, his $62 million contract would be a "bargain."

Want to know who thought that Derek Anderson, Max Hall, Kevin Kolb, and John Skelton were starting NFL QBs? Ken Whisenhunt.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yea Im not buying what your selling Russ. This is his third year with the Cards and these coaches. Whiz has always been very critical on mechanics, footwork, etc... We know this from the Leinart days. After three years of getting this coaching and training the muscle memory should already be there. He just isn't getting it. JMO. In fact I was at the previous two training camps and we have all seen Skelton play in actual games the last two years. It seems as though he is getting worse.

It's a theory on why he looks worse this camp.

Alex Smith completely redid his mechanics reportedly and they had Harbaugh on tv and he said he thinks it's going to help him in the long run but over the short haul he wouldn't be surprised if Smith had some ups and downs getting used to the new mechanics.

I'm one of those who thinks Kolb is better, if he can stay healthy, but I truly help Skelton's issues right now are due to something like that and not just that with the pressure of the job on him, he's folding.