Big Suns Trade?

[Sun Devil Mania]

If PHX could somehow land Love & Ball that would solve exactly what PHX is reportedly looking for. A stretch PF and a distributing PG who can actually play defense. The only thing is that by getting Ball they help LA form a super team unless George stays in OKC and LA just lands LeBron & Leonard.

It's going to happen with or without the Suns. They might as well take advantage and get a piece of the transaction.

 

[Proximo]

Wow. Does anyone really expect this? I think we can be knocking on the door in 3 or 4 years but it usually takes another few years of knocking to actually get there. But I'm not worried about the contracts.

Yes, I think it.

We have the best group of young players in the league, and the golden state and Lebron should not be a threat by then

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes, I think it.

We have the best group of young players in the league, and the golden state and Lebron should not be a threat by then

Lebron maybe but I don't know that the Warriors will be on the outs in 3 or 4 years. Also, most of our talent will still be in their pre-peak years so it's hard to imagine them going that far, that soon. I think they'll be roughly where OKC was just prior to trading Harden. We'll see.

 

[SunsFanFirst]

Any chance the “big” trade (assuming at this point there is still anything to that rumor) is for Kemba Walker? Werent the Cavs trying to trade for him to keep Lebron? If we traded for Kemba that might end their last effort at keeping him...

 

[BC867]

Out of the spotlight that comes with being associated with the Lakers, I don't think Lavar gets anywhere near as big a megaphone to shout through. I think he would slide into the background with far less media attention in Phoenix.

"I don't think Lavar gets anywhere near as big a megaphone" is not the same as not being a nuisance in Phoenix. Lavar is a trouble maker. He would disrupt the Suns and drive Booker away. We have seen the way he operates.

No matter how much his one or two dimensional son might become, he and his family would ruin the team. The Suns are too fragile to become a playoff threat under those circumstances.

The Ball family is TROUBLE. There is no logical reason for us to take them on. I just hope our naive ownership and Front Office can muster the intelligence to understand that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

"I don't think Lavar gets anywhere near as big a megaphone" is not the same as not being a nuisance in Phoenix. Lavar is a trouble maker. He would disrupt the Suns and drive Booker away. We have seen the way he operates.

No matter how much his one or two dimensional son might become, he and his family would ruin the team. The Suns are too fragile to become a playoff threat under those circumstances.

The Ball family is TROUBLE. There is no logical reason for us to take them on. I just hope our naive ownership and Front Office can muster the intelligence to understand that.

Yeah, I think that might be a reach. I'd expect us to let him walk if Lonzo or his father proved disruptive. Consider that we'd have a couple of years to find out what it would be like with him attached to Phoenix. And I can't see us making this move without getting at least a nod of approval from Booker. I do agree that the move could easily backfire but I don't think the consequences will be as severe as you suggest.

 

[sdscard4]

You realize if the ping pong balls had us selecting at 2 last year we are taking Ball 100%. That's even knowing Lavar is a jackass. Why so outraged if we can land him now

 

[sdscard4]

Booker would love to have Ball. A pass happy play making PG? Cmon you know hes all aboard on that

 

[GatorAZ]

I think the Suns would have had interest in Lonzo before they stole Okobo. They reportedly gave him a 4- year deal and said he’s coming over this year. I think they believe he’s the PGOTF.

 

[1tinsoldier]

You realize if the ping pong balls had us selecting at 2 last year we are taking Ball 100%. That's even knowing Lavar is a jackass. Why so outraged if we can land him now

we've been over this. we now know that
1. Lavar has been a jackass all season after promising Magic he'd back off once Lonzo was a Laker
2. Lonzo has not made any effort to distance himself from his daddy's disruptions even though his teammates are increasingly frustrated about it
3. Lonzo has proven all season that he can't shoot -- midrange, 3's, or free throws
4. Lonzo has shown signs that he is also a jackass off-court and without passion on-court.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You realize if the ping pong balls had us selecting at 2 last year we are taking Ball 100%. That's even knowing Lavar is a jackass. Why so outraged if we can land him now

No, I don't realize it. I don't even believe it. I think we wanted Ball early in the season but that changed after Lavar made it clear, on multiple occasions, that his son would only play for the Lakers. I don't know for sure but I'd like to believe we aren't stupid enough to draft a very flawed player that obviously doesn't want to play for us.

 

[Hoop Head]

You realize if the ping pong balls had us selecting at 2 last year we are taking Ball 100%. That's even knowing Lavar is a jackass. Why so outraged if we can land him now

Do you have anything to back that claim up? Something was posted earlier but it pointed Jackson or Ball as being the choice, saying the Suns were enamored with Jackson and were worried he wouldn't be available at #4. So these claims the Suns were deadset on drafting Lonzo just don't have a basis in reality. I remember last year's draft quite clear and Jackson was the most named prospect for the Suns, even before the lottery. I think Isaac was also a name that floated around a lot but neither of those players are Lonzo.

 

[sdscard4]

Do you have anything to back that claim up? Something was posted earlier but it pointed Jackson or Ball as being the choice, saying the Suns were enamored with Jackson and were worried he wouldn't be available at #4. So these claims the Suns were deadset on drafting Lonzo just don't have a basis in reality. I remember last year's draft quite clear and Jackson was the most named prospect for the Suns, even before the lottery. I think Isaac was also a name that floated around a lot but neither of those players are Lonzo.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/
Lots more articles how soon we forget just a short year later. Now I know it says we love jackson also. Would have been very interesting if we were 2. I think this also points to if Ball is traded it's gonna be to us. IMO

 

[AzStevenCal]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/
Lots more articles how soon we forget just a short year later. Now I know it says we love jackson also. Would have been very interesting if we were 2. I think this also points to if Ball is traded it's gonna be to us. IMO

That's pretty meaningless. No one is contesting that we liked Ball but your assertion that he was clearly our target is no more than a guess. A guess by you or a guess by Chad Ford, there's not much difference. It's right up there with a guess from any of us here. We just don't know. It used to be "report" actually meant something, now it's just another way of saying unsubstantiated rumor.

 

[sdscard4]

Per Gambo numero uno on Suns board
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/5/16/15646246/suns-still-leaning-lonzo-ball
Yes we don't know . But where there's smoke..... Like I said if he's traded it will be us.

 

[Hoop Head]

http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/
Lots more articles how soon we forget just a short year later. Now I know it says we love jackson also. Would have been very interesting if we were 2. I think this also points to if Ball is traded it's gonna be to us. IMO

That is literally the same exact article posted earlier when someone claimed we actually tanked for Ball, specifically. That article doesn't say that the Suns are after Ball specifically either, it says that there is interest but the Suns covet Josh Jackson, which is a pretty big claim and much bigger than any sort of description of how they view Ball. It says they may want to move up for him, not Ball or Jackson individually though. Based on what McD said after the draft, it seems like he was completely sold on Jackson as being our guy.

Based on what McD said during Jackson's introduction as well as how he told the story of getting Jackson to skip the Celtics workout, it seems Jackson was actually his target. The Suns never met with Ball, so it's highly unlikely they had him pegged. From the article you posted though, I highlighted the Jackson comment.

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The other article you posted doesn't say anything concrete. The closest it comes is saying that Gambo says the Suns rate Ball higher than Fultz, and I doubt they were alone in that sort of ranking. It also proposes that Gambo's comments are simply a smokescreen and the Suns are positioning themselves to trade the #2 pick if they got it so they could make a deal with a team who is interested in Ball. So you haven't provided any sources that back up your claim.

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[SunsFanFirst]

Any chance the “big” trade (assuming at this point there is still anything to that rumor) is for Kemba Walker? Werent the Cavs trying to trade for him to keep Lebron? If we traded for Kemba that might end their last effort at keeping him...

Just saw the Lakers are trying acquire pick from the Nuggets.. maybe we are looking in wrong direction with the whole Ball/Deng idea.. ?

 

[pokerface]

You realize if the ping pong balls had us selecting at 2 last year we are taking Ball 100%. That's even knowing Lavar is a jackass. Why so outraged if we can land him now

Umm no. No one realized it but you.

 

[pokerface]

Booker would love to have Ball. A pass happy play making PG? Cmon you know hes all aboard on that

Say whaaa?

 

[DevonCardsFan]

That is literally the same exact article posted early when someone claimed we actually tanked for Ball, specifically. That article doesn't say that the Suns are after Ball specifically either, it says that there is interest but the Suns covet Josh Jackson, which is a pretty big claim and much bigger than any sort of description of how they view Ball. It says they may want to move up for him, not Ball or Jackson individually though. Based on what McD said after the draft, it seems like he was completely sold on Jackson as being our guy.

Based on what McD said during Jackson's introduction as well as how he told the story of getting Jackson to skip the Celtics workout, it seems Jackson was actually his target. The Suns never met with Ball, so it's highly unlikely they had him pegged. From the article you posted though, I highlighted the Jackson comment.

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The other article you posted doesn't say anything concrete. The closest it comes is saying that Gambo says the Suns rate Ball higher than Fultz, and I doubt they were alone in that sort of ranking. It also proposes that Gambo's comments are simply a smokescreen and the Suns are positioning themselves to trade the #2 pick if they got it so they could make a deal with a team who is interested in Ball. So you haven't provided any sources that back up your claim.

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I am going with what Bickley said yesterday, he said the Suns tanked for Ball and I could see that, things could have changed around draft time, but Ball was someone the Suns had there eye on, while tanking for sure, I am sure as well as a couple other guys. Also all GM's say they are targeting the guy they selected after the draft lol. So your Sherlock Holmes moment of what McDonough said, is not concrete thag they preffered JJ over Ball, after what McD said post draft that's always revisionist history.

Bickley said the Suns tanked for Ball, the article says here, that Suns are interested in Ball or Jackson, since they pick at 4 and both are probably gone @4 and want to trade up to 2
http://arizonasports.com/story/1153362/report-suns-seeking-trade-draft-lonzo-ball/

It also says do to trade smokescreens we never know, who they really want. We we're fighting over Doncic and Ayton and Doncic wasn't even a possibility at 1, said McD.

I still don't see the point of your comment, is this some how stating the Suns have no interest in acquring Ball. All your further showing is the Suns had him ranked higher than Fultz and they liked JJ or Ball. I am positive they scouted the crap out of Both. The Suns have a glaring hole at the PG position and need to add someone.

Now look at the new article on who is out there at PG for the Suns:
http://arizonasports.com/story/1572...h-point-guard-fred-vanvleet-patrick-beverley/

Vanvleet, Rondo, Beverly, Smart, Napier and Exum.

Are you telling me the Suns wouldn't prefer Ball over that list of guys? That's simply not the case McD had a great look at Lonzo, I am sure prefers him over these guys and don't be surprised, if the Ball deal is available that the Suns pull the trigger and land Zo

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Just saw the Lakers are trying acquire pick from the Nuggets.. maybe we are looking in wrong direction with the whole Ball/Deng idea.. ?

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...s-Discussing-Expiring-Contract-For-Pick-Trade
They said this move is them trying to get a 1st for Leonard to facilitate the Leonard and they also said lool for in a separate for the Lakers to Deng and Ball to clear up cap space.

 

[JCSunsfan]

we've been over this. we now know that
1. Lavar has been a jackass all season after promising Magic he'd back off once Lonzo was a Laker
2. Lonzo has not made any effort to distance himself from his daddy's disruptions even though his teammates are increasingly frustrated about it
3. Lonzo has proven all season that he can't shoot -- midrange, 3's, or free throws
4. Lonzo has shown signs that he is also a jackass off-court and without passion on-court.

1. Yes but not as much. LiAngelo's failure will help stop that nonesense.
2. He is 19.
3. True.
4. True about jackass. not true about passion.

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK. Looking at what is going on there are some things I am certain of. This is because they are parting ways with Payton and have been very clear in their leaks about who they are NOT interested in.

1. They have a specific target point guard in mind and are reasonably confident they can get him.
2. I doubt its Ball. They have been pretty clear about getting high character guys and Ball's rap duel with Kuzma is not the type of stuff you want to bring here, even if it is in fun. Forget about Lavar, Lonzo seems to be a problem himself.
3. I lean toward a free agent, because publicly making denials about who you are interested plays well in a sales pitch for your real target.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

OK. Looking at what is going on there are some things I am certain of. This is because they are parting ways with Payton and have been very clear in their leaks about who they are NOT interested in.

1. They have a specific target point guard in mind and are reasonably confident they can get him.
2. I doubt its Ball. They have been pretty clear about getting high character guys and Ball's rap duel with Kuzma is not the type of stuff you want to bring here, even if it is in fun. Forget about Lavar, Lonzo seems to be a problem himself.
3. I lean toward a free agent, because publicly making denials about who you are interested plays well in a sales pitch for your real target.

Heres the list I would add Smart to the list as well

http://arizonasports.com/story/1572...h-point-guard-fred-vanvleet-patrick-beverley/

 

[mjb21aztd]

Would never want ball on suns his dad presence would caus headaches for fans and the team.

I am content with the current roster maybe adding a fa pg and a few other peaices.