Bill Davis Fired!

[red desert]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!,

bring in iron mike j/k john fox?

Yes to John Fox. Forgot about him. Good call.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Too bad Whiz is not as loyal to his players as he is towards the coaches; he benches the players immediately for screw-ups. This should have happened 8 games ago. Que the Whiz kids.

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[SeattleCard]

My reaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFQTaXY6eP8

 

[Red Dawn]

Bryan Robinson and Alan Faneca come immediately to mind in rebuttal.

Steve

Good point. I was mostly thinking about the rookies on D and the RB position.

I've seen some pretty good coaches give the next carry to a RB that fumbled so they can get back on the horse, as opposed to benching them immediately.

 

[desertdawg]

I am going to the store to grab some brew, this requires celebrating. A six pack of IPAs and we just rented "machete." If I would have known it was this kind of party I would have stuck my junk in the mashed potatoes.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

What a way to act like an adult.

However, Whiz's gets a few points for this move.

You beat me to it. Can't say it was unexpected though.

Good move by Wiz. I am hopeful that Wiz will make will choose a stronger replacement for Davis than he did for Pendergast.

Kevin Greene is indeed intriguing, as some have posted.

Oh Jesus it was a joke. Don't take yourselves so seriously.

No I don't agree with your stance. More importantly I don't agree with your logic on how you got to that point.

I just think your judgement is clouded by anger. And you are so adamant and resolute in your opinion, that you aren't open minded to considering the alternative. At all.

Chances are if your not open minded and the SAME 5 people are agreeing with your opinion out of the 500 or so on the board...maybe you should reevaluate your stance.

Or not. Doesn't matter. Makes for better discussion anyway.

But don't take me too seriously. I'm just some dude on the internet

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm really not trying to bring down the joy of the thread, but something in the article jumped out at me. Am I reading it right?

Wiz saying that he was not prepared to let Davis go as he went into these post season interviews, and only after speaking with players did he realize that the move had to be made. Is that what I just read? Wow.

I know, he did make the move. Good. But I'm not liking his having to be convinced by the players. Just kinda raises a red flag about his judgment. IMO.

Again, he did step up and make a move that needed to be done, so kudos to him for that.

And this is Exhibit A of what drives me nuts. Many of the "Fire Wiz" faction twists and turn everything to fit your argument. Do you REALLY think these quotes from Wiz (a man as known for PC answers as Belichek) are an indicment of Wiz? Its like the boy that cries wolf. Bringing up stuff like this just furthers the perception of looking for any/every reason to kill the guy and devalidates the few REAL arguments you do have.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

 

[desertdawg]

Perfect TJ, this song goes great with the beer. Check ya later Davis!

 

[Red Dawn]

And this is Exhibit A of what drives me nuts. Many of the "Fire Wiz" faction twists and turn everything to fit your argument. Do you REALLY think these quotes from Wiz (a man as known for PC answers as Belichek) are an indicment of Wiz? Its like the boy that cries wolf. Bringing up stuff like this just furthers the perception of looking for any/every reason to kill the guy and devalidates the few REAL arguments you do have.

I'm giving Whiz another year. However, the "Fire Whiz" faction doesn't perform any more twisting and turning than is done by the "Whiz is Godly" faction. Arguments can be endless but all of it is based on a poster's own opinion gathered from tidbits of information leaked to the fan base. Another year exhibiting the steaming pile of football we suffered through this year may even get you to cross over to the other side.

 

[Mulli]

I'm giving Whiz another year. However, the "Fire Whiz" faction doesn't perform any more twisting and turning than is done by the "Whiz is Godly" faction. Arguments can be endless but all of it is based on a poster's own opinion gathered from tidbits of information leaked to the fan base. Another year exhibiting the steaming pile of football we suffered through this year may even get you to cross over to the other side.

no such thing as the Whiz is godly crowd. Everyone admits he makes mistakes even huge mistakes.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm giving Whiz another year. However, the "Fire Whiz" faction doesn't perform any more twisting and turning than is done by the "Whiz is Godly" faction. Arguments can be endless but all of it is based on a poster's own opinion gathered from tidbits of information leaked to the fan base. Another year exhibiting the steaming pile of football we suffered through this year may even get you to cross over to the other side.

See thats where I disagree. There are very few posters in the "wiz is godly faction" that feel he can do no wrong. Myself I think Wiz messed up more this year then his first three combined. I have been on record as saying, seeing how he will deal with these changes in the offseason will go a long way to determining if I want him fired at some point next year.

But damn its like the people who want to fire him think Sunday to Sunday or year to year, without realizing everything that took place before that and have no long term vision or perspective whatsoever. Its not like Wiz didn't earn credibililty across the board and with his extension (signed last year mind you) with his first three seasons.

All these fans who want to fire him have to really dig for reasons to hate like "Warner made him" or "Haley made him" or "he cut Leinart" or he "hired Davis" or "he called 3 straight pass plays"... I mean yeah he has made mistakes. So has every coach. But I have the de facto argument on why he deserves more then one bad season:

HE WAS THE HEAD COACH WHO TOOK THE ARIZONA CARDINALS TO THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL.

Point blank period nuff said nothing else to say. Think about that...its not the Broncos, Jets, Redskins.... its the Arizona Cardinals. EVERYONE on this board should realize the enormity of that accomplishment.

Like Pariah said the other day, if that doesn't buy you one year.....what does?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

no such thing as the Whiz is godly crowd. Everyone admits he makes mistakes even huge mistakes.

Yup

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sadly, without him being gone we will not aquire enough talent to win our division IMO. Larry needs to get a new deal this next season and the GM needs to get that done. I don't want to intrust that to Graves. MB needs to find a way to oust him and get a top talent at GM.

while i agree with you wholeheartedly, you and i both know this unfortunately will never happen.

Graves has got to have pictures of Billy Bowtie in Nazi gear, stealing ice cream from a baby. I can think of no other reason that he's still around.

 

[Hypothesis]

while i agree with you wholeheartedly, you and i both know this unfortunately will never happen.

Graves has got to have pictures of Billy Bowtie in Nazi gear, stealing ice cream from a baby. I can think of no other reason that he's still around.

I'm not a big fan of Graves either...but he's better than Bob Ferguson. Wouldn't surprise me after another couple years to see T.J. McCreight take over the GM position.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Whose else is up for the Kevin Butler/Lawrence Timmons combo platter?

 

[desertdawg]

Graves has got to have pictures of Billy Bowtie in Nazi gear, stealing ice cream from a baby. I can think of no other reason that he's still around.

 

[Hypothesis]

Whose else is up for the Kevin Butler/Lawrence Timmons combo platter?

Delicious...but I think I'd have to go with the Keith Butler/Lamar Woodley sampler instead.

 

[PACardsFan]

See thats where I disagree. There are very few posters in the "wiz is godly faction" that feel he can do no wrong. Myself I think Wiz messed up more this year then his first three combined. I have been on record as saying, seeing how he will deal with these changes in the offseason will go a long way to determining if I want him fired at some point next year.

But damn its like the people who want to fire him think Sunday to Sunday or year to year, without realizing everything that took place before that and have no long term vision or perspective whatsoever. Its not like Wiz didn't earn credibililty across the board and with his extension (signed last year mind you) with his first three seasons.

All these fans who want to fire him have to really dig for reasons to hate like "Warner made him" or "Haley made him" or "he cut Leinart" or he "hired Davis" or "he called 3 straight pass plays"... I mean yeah he has made mistakes. So has every coach. But I have the de facto argument on why he deserves more then one bad season:

HE WAS THE HEAD COACH WHO TOOK THE ARIZONA CARDINALS TO THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL.

Point blank period nuff said nothing else to say. Think about that...its not the Broncos, Jets, Redskins.... its the Arizona Cardinals. EVERYONE on this board should realize the enormity of that accomplishment.

Like Pariah said the other day, if that doesn't buy you one year.....what does?

You nailed it my friend!! I am a staunch supporter of Whiz, but there is no doubt that he made some miserable mistakes this year. Maybe I'm wrong, but as competitive as that man is, he won't go quietly into the night.

 

[40yearfan]

while i agree with you wholeheartedly, you and i both know this unfortunately will never happen.

Graves has got to have pictures of Billy Bowtie in Nazi gear, stealing ice cream from a baby. I can think of no other reason that he's still around.

This is a picture I could seriously do with-out!!

 

[TJ]

See thats where I disagree. There are very few posters in the "wiz is godly faction" that feel he can do no wrong. Myself I think Wiz messed up more this year then his first three combined. I have been on record as saying, seeing how he will deal with these changes in the offseason will go a long way to determining if I want him fired at some point next year.

But damn its like the people who want to fire him think Sunday to Sunday or year to year, without realizing everything that took place before that and have no long term vision or perspective whatsoever. Its not like Wiz didn't earn credibililty across the board and with his extension (signed last year mind you) with his first three seasons.

All these fans who want to fire him have to really dig for reasons to hate like "Warner made him" or "Haley made him" or "he cut Leinart" or he "hired Davis" or "he called 3 straight pass plays"... I mean yeah he has made mistakes. So has every coach. But I have the de facto argument on why he deserves more then one bad season:

HE WAS THE HEAD COACH WHO TOOK THE ARIZONA CARDINALS TO THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL.

Point blank period nuff said nothing else to say. Think about that...its not the Broncos, Jets, Redskins.... its the Arizona Cardinals. EVERYONE on this board should realize the enormity of that accomplishment.

Like Pariah said the other day, if that doesn't buy you one year.....what does?

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[The Commish]

See thats where I disagree. There are very few posters in the "wiz is godly faction" that feel he can do no wrong. Myself I think Wiz messed up more this year then his first three combined. I have been on record as saying, seeing how he will deal with these changes in the offseason will go a long way to determining if I want him fired at some point next year.

But damn its like the people who want to fire him think Sunday to Sunday or year to year, without realizing everything that took place before that and have no long term vision or perspective whatsoever. Its not like Wiz didn't earn credibililty across the board and with his extension (signed last year mind you) with his first three seasons.

All these fans who want to fire him have to really dig for reasons to hate like "Warner made him" or "Haley made him" or "he cut Leinart" or he "hired Davis" or "he called 3 straight pass plays"... I mean yeah he has made mistakes. So has every coach. But I have the de facto argument on why he deserves more then one bad season:

HE WAS THE HEAD COACH WHO TOOK THE ARIZONA CARDINALS TO THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL.

Point blank period nuff said nothing else to say. Think about that...its not the Broncos, Jets, Redskins.... its the Arizona Cardinals. EVERYONE on this board should realize the enormity of that accomplishment.

Like Pariah said the other day, if that doesn't buy you one year.....what does?

Amen

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Next time you are chatting with a Cardinals player away from the media, ask what they think of the coach.

I have never heard a single compliment.

I have heard "two faced" more than once.

You don't have to like your boss, but you have to believe in what he is selling. When the Cardinals had strong leaders, they could push what Whis was selling. Barring those leaders, I doubt Whis can lead this team anywhere. He just isn't an inspirational/motivator guy.

This is why he looks for intangibles and moxy. It blends with what he brings to the table. It brings the fire he doesn't provide.

It is critical the cards find some peer leadership this off season if Whis is to succeed. It probably explains why he likes veterans so much.

 

[rode kardinaal]

I'm really not trying to bring down the joy of the thread, but something in the article jumped out at me. Am I reading it right?

Wiz saying that he was not prepared to let Davis go as he went into these post season interviews, and only after speaking with players did he realize that the move had to be made. Is that what I just read? Wow.

I know, he did make the move. Good. But I'm not liking his having to be convinced by the players. Just kinda raises a red flag about his judgment. IMO.

Placing (part of) the responsibility on the players. Now if the subject of accountability ever comes up, he holds all the cards.

"Hey, you guys wanted him fired, now you guys have to step up and show it."

The last years have made me absolutely convinced that Whiz says and does everything, and I mean everything, for a reason. Nothing is impulsive, everything is well thought out.

 

[desertdawg]

Next time you are chatting with a Cardinals player away from the media, ask what they think of the coach.

I have never heard a single compliment.

I have heard "two faced" more than once.

You don't have to like your boss, but you have to believe in what he is selling. When the Cardinals had strong leaders, they could push what Whis was selling. Barring those leaders, I doubt Whis can lead this team anywhere. He just isn't an inspirational/motivator guy.

This is why he looks for intangibles and moxy. It blends with what he brings to the table. It brings the fire he doesn't provide.

It is critical the cards find some peer leadership this off season if Whis is to succeed. It probably explains why he likes veterans so much.

Yamon.