Bob Kemp on Shaun King on KDUS

[CaptTurbo]

IF, IF IF

No, S11's comment was he would pass for 3000 yards at a 60% completion percentage.

I will gladly take that bet! If your game?

I will let u know after the draft ok?

 

[kerouac9]

Jim Druckenmiller = out of NFL
Ryan Leaf = Out of NFL
Tim Couch = Lost starting job
Akili Smith = Bust and traded
Cade McNown = Out of NFL
David Carr = No Post season appearences
Joey Harrington = No Post season appearences
Patrick Ramsey = No Post season appearences
Carson Palmer = No Post season appearences
Kyle Boller = not a starter
Rex Grossman = not a starter

This arguement is absolutely assinine. Cherry-picking the best late-round QBs and compaing them to the 50% success rate for 1st-round QBs makes no sense. Here are the QBs taken after the second round in the past decade or so:

2003:
5 3 24 88 Dave Ragone Texans Louisville
6 3 33 97 Chris Simms Buccaneers Texas
7 4 13 110 Seneca Wallace Seahawks Iowa State
8 5 28 163 Brian St. Pierre Steelers Boston College
9 6 19 192 Drew Henson Texans Michigan
10 6 27 200 Brooks Bollinger Jets Wisconsin
11 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury Patriots Texas Tech
12 7 18 232 Gibran Hamdan Redskins Indiana
13 7 27 241 Ken Dorsey 49ers Miami (FL)
2002:
4 3 16 81 Josh McCown Cardinals Sam Houston State
5 4 10 108 David Garrard Jaguars East Carolina
6 4 19 117 Rohan Davey Patriots Louisiana State
7 5 2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers Stanford
8 5 23 158 Kurt Kittner Falcons Illinois
9 5 28 163 Brandon Doman 49ers Brigham Young
10 5 29 164 Craig Nall Packers Northwestern State
11 6 14 186 J.T. O'Sullivan Saints Cal-Davis
12 6 33 205 Steve Bellisari Rams Ohio State
13 7 5 216 Seth Burford Chargers Cal Poly-SLO
14 7 21 232 Jeff Kelly Seahawks Southern Mississippi
15 7 24 235 Ronald Curry Raiders North Carolina
16 7 25 236 Wes Pate Ravens Stephan F. Austin
2001:
4 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Raiders Washington
5 4 11 106 Chris Weinke Panthers Florida State
6 4 14 109 Sage Rosenfels Redskins Iowa State
7 4 30 125 Jesse Palmer Giants Florida
8 5 18 149 Mike McMahon Lions Rutgers
9 5 24 155 A.J. Feeley Eagles Oregon
10 6 9 172 Josh Booty Seahawks Louisiana State
11 6 14 177 Josh Heupel Dolphins Oklahoma
2000:
2 3 3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi 49ers Hofstra
3 3 13 75 Chris Redman Ravens Louisville
4 5 34 163 Tee Martin Steelers Tennessee
5 6 2 168 Marc Bulger Saints West Virginia
6 6 17 183 Spergon Wynn Browns SW Texas State
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady Patriots Michigan
8 6 36 202 Todd Husak Redskins Stanford
9 6 39 205 JaJuan Seider Chargers Florida A&M
10 7 6 212 Tim Rattay 49ers Louisiana Tech
11 7 8 214 Jarious Jackson Broncos Notre Dame
12 7 28 234 Joe Hamilton Buccaneers Georgia Tech
1999:
7 3 16 77 Brock Huard Seahawks Washington
8 4 6 101 Joe Germaine Rams Ohio State
9 4 36 131 Aaron Brooks Packers Virginia
10 5 18 151 Kevin Daft Oilers California-Davis
11 7 21 227 Michael Bishop Patriots Kansas State
12 7 33 239 Chris Greisen Cardinals NW Missouri State
13 7 39 245 Scott Covington Bengals Miami (FL)
1998:
4 3 25 86 Jonathan Quinn Jaguars Middle Tennessee State
5 3 30 91 Brian Griese Broncos Michigan
6 6 19 172 John Dutton Dolphins Nevada
7 6 34 187 Matt Hasselbeck Packers Boston College
8 7 43 232 Moses Moreno Bears Colorado State
1997:
3 4 3 99 Danny Wuerffel Saints Florida
4 4 14 110 Pat Barnes Chiefs California
5 6 8 171 Mike Cherry Giants Murray State
6 6 28 191 Chuck Clements Jets Houston
7 7 3 204 Tony Graziani Falcons Oregon
8 7 6 207 Koy Detmer Eagles Colorado
9 7 33 234 Wally Richardson Ravens Penn State
10 7 36 237 Tony Corbin Chargers Sacramento State
11 7 39 240 Ronnie McAda Packers Army
1996:
2 3 24 85 Bobby Hoying Eagles Ohio State
3 4 5 100 Jeff Lewis Broncos Northern Arizona
4 4 35 130 Danny Kanell Giants Florida State
5 6 36 203 Spence Fischer Steelers Duke
6 6 38 205 Mike Cawley Colts James Madison
7 7 29 238 Jon Stark Ravens Trinity
8 7 31 240 Kyle Wachholtz Packers USC
1995:
5 3 16 80 Stoney Case Cardinals New Mexico
6 3 20 84 Eric Zeier Browns Georgia
7 4 1 99 Rob Johnson Jaguars USC
8 4 13 111 Chad May Vikings Kansas State
9 4 21 119 Dave Barr Eagles California
10 4 36 134 Steve Stenstrom Chiefs Stanford
11 5 26 160 Jay Barker Packers Alabama
12 6 20 191 Jerry Colquitt Panthers Tennessee
13 6 26 197 Craig Whelihan Chargers Pacific
14 7 5 213 John Walsh Bengals Brigham Young
1994:
3 4 8 111 Perry Klein Falcons C.W. Post
4 4 13 116 Doug Nussmeier Saints Idaho
5 6 17 178 Jim Miller Steelers Michigan State
6 7 3 197 Gus Frerotte Redskins Tulsa
7 7 4 198 Jay Walker Patriots Howard
8 7 5 199 Steve Matthews Chiefs Memphis
9 7 14 208 Glenn Foley Jets Boston College

That's--what?--85 quarterbacks that were drafted after the first two rounds. Of those 85, you can point to only eight(!) that had even mild success in the NFL. From five rounds.

You're much more likely to be stuck with the next Jeff Kelly (yes, that Jeff Kelly) by selecting a QB in the seventh round than the next Tim Rattay or whomever.

 

[Harpo]

Skkorp,
Thanks for the info. That post contained about as much info as we have gotten from all the local media combined.

 

[MAKTEN]

Shaun King sucks. End of story.

Maybe he just had a crummy camp.......

 

[NickelBack]

Parsons should be #2 anyway.

No problem with that at all.

There were some who suggested last year out of camp that he was ahead of Josh anyway.

 

[TRW]

I love how these McCown threads get lives of their own! Gets down to a "Your MAMA....." argument. Save this thread for bizarre analogies and vacuous stats ad nauseum.

My opinion, for what it's worth (probably not much), is that Green seems content to go with Josh as his starter and that will be that. Unless he's really, really misdirecting he isn't going to take a QB at #3. So, this argument is going to boil down to woulda, coulda, shoulda anyway (and will even if he DOES pick Ben or Eli).

This team needs talent and multiple PLAYERS. None of the draft picks, in and of themselves, will make this team a winner. Rookies are rookies and by and large excell when they are plugged in to good veterans around them. THe Cards don't have that many really good veteran players. The last "head coach" and his "million dollar coaching" staff BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! has left the cupboard bare of many quality NFL players. Denny has much to overcome regardless of how Mac said he left the team in such great shape.

Sorry, rambled on a bit....

Bottom line is Josh will most likely be the starter and Shaun King will back him up. Preston Parsons is simply some people's wet dream and probably will never start in this league. In fact, if the Cards cut him he will maybe end up in Arena League or selling insurance. Just my opinion, my aplogies for the Parsons is God Fan Club.

Let's get some defensive linemen that can play in here and forget the Eli/Ben/Whoever mania can we? I'd like to see the opponent's QB on his backside once in a while next season!

 

[vikesfan]

3 of the 4 names you mention WERE 1st round picks...

Jim McMahon--Bears 1st round pick, 1982
Doug Williams--Buc's 1st round pick, 1978
Jim Plunkett--Pat's 1st round pick, 1971
Trent Dilfer--Bucs 1st round pick, 1994

You got me on McMahon I apologize. But the other 3 won with other teams after the teams that drafted them cut them so those 3 teams that drafted them wasted that pick.

The smart thing to do is let other teams draft QBs #1 and develop them for you (losing games in the process) and then cut them. Then pick them up later in their careers.

 

[vikesfan]

This arguement is absolutely assinine. Cherry-picking the best late-round QBs and compaing them to the 50% success rate for 1st-round QBs makes no sense. Here are the QBs taken after the second round in the past decade or so:

2003:
5 3 24 88 Dave Ragone Texans Louisville
6 3 33 97 Chris Simms Buccaneers Texas
7 4 13 110 Seneca Wallace Seahawks Iowa State
8 5 28 163 Brian St. Pierre Steelers Boston College
9 6 19 192 Drew Henson Texans Michigan
10 6 27 200 Brooks Bollinger Jets Wisconsin
11 6 28 201 Kliff Kingsbury Patriots Texas Tech
12 7 18 232 Gibran Hamdan Redskins Indiana
13 7 27 241 Ken Dorsey 49ers Miami (FL)
2002:
4 3 16 81 Josh McCown Cardinals Sam Houston State
5 4 10 108 David Garrard Jaguars East Carolina
6 4 19 117 Rohan Davey Patriots Louisiana State
7 5 2 137 Randy Fasani Panthers Stanford
8 5 23 158 Kurt Kittner Falcons Illinois
9 5 28 163 Brandon Doman 49ers Brigham Young
10 5 29 164 Craig Nall Packers Northwestern State
11 6 14 186 J.T. O'Sullivan Saints Cal-Davis
12 6 33 205 Steve Bellisari Rams Ohio State
13 7 5 216 Seth Burford Chargers Cal Poly-SLO
14 7 21 232 Jeff Kelly Seahawks Southern Mississippi
15 7 24 235 Ronald Curry Raiders North Carolina
16 7 25 236 Wes Pate Ravens Stephan F. Austin
2001:
4 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo Raiders Washington
5 4 11 106 Chris Weinke Panthers Florida State
6 4 14 109 Sage Rosenfels Redskins Iowa State
7 4 30 125 Jesse Palmer Giants Florida
8 5 18 149 Mike McMahon Lions Rutgers
9 5 24 155 A.J. Feeley Eagles Oregon
10 6 9 172 Josh Booty Seahawks Louisiana State
11 6 14 177 Josh Heupel Dolphins Oklahoma
2000:
2 3 3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi 49ers Hofstra
3 3 13 75 Chris Redman Ravens Louisville
4 5 34 163 Tee Martin Steelers Tennessee
5 6 2 168 Marc Bulger Saints West Virginia
6 6 17 183 Spergon Wynn Browns SW Texas State
7 6 33 199 Tom Brady Patriots Michigan
8 6 36 202 Todd Husak Redskins Stanford
9 6 39 205 JaJuan Seider Chargers Florida A&M
10 7 6 212 Tim Rattay 49ers Louisiana Tech
11 7 8 214 Jarious Jackson Broncos Notre Dame
12 7 28 234 Joe Hamilton Buccaneers Georgia Tech
1999:
7 3 16 77 Brock Huard Seahawks Washington
8 4 6 101 Joe Germaine Rams Ohio State
9 4 36 131 Aaron Brooks Packers Virginia
10 5 18 151 Kevin Daft Oilers California-Davis
11 7 21 227 Michael Bishop Patriots Kansas State
12 7 33 239 Chris Greisen Cardinals NW Missouri State
13 7 39 245 Scott Covington Bengals Miami (FL)
1998:
4 3 25 86 Jonathan Quinn Jaguars Middle Tennessee State
5 3 30 91 Brian Griese Broncos Michigan
6 6 19 172 John Dutton Dolphins Nevada
7 6 34 187 Matt Hasselbeck Packers Boston College
8 7 43 232 Moses Moreno Bears Colorado State
1997:
3 4 3 99 Danny Wuerffel Saints Florida
4 4 14 110 Pat Barnes Chiefs California
5 6 8 171 Mike Cherry Giants Murray State
6 6 28 191 Chuck Clements Jets Houston
7 7 3 204 Tony Graziani Falcons Oregon
8 7 6 207 Koy Detmer Eagles Colorado
9 7 33 234 Wally Richardson Ravens Penn State
10 7 36 237 Tony Corbin Chargers Sacramento State
11 7 39 240 Ronnie McAda Packers Army
1996:
2 3 24 85 Bobby Hoying Eagles Ohio State
3 4 5 100 Jeff Lewis Broncos Northern Arizona
4 4 35 130 Danny Kanell Giants Florida State
5 6 36 203 Spence Fischer Steelers Duke
6 6 38 205 Mike Cawley Colts James Madison
7 7 29 238 Jon Stark Ravens Trinity
8 7 31 240 Kyle Wachholtz Packers USC
1995:
5 3 16 80 Stoney Case Cardinals New Mexico
6 3 20 84 Eric Zeier Browns Georgia
7 4 1 99 Rob Johnson Jaguars USC
8 4 13 111 Chad May Vikings Kansas State
9 4 21 119 Dave Barr Eagles California
10 4 36 134 Steve Stenstrom Chiefs Stanford
11 5 26 160 Jay Barker Packers Alabama
12 6 20 191 Jerry Colquitt Panthers Tennessee
13 6 26 197 Craig Whelihan Chargers Pacific
14 7 5 213 John Walsh Bengals Brigham Young
1994:
3 4 8 111 Perry Klein Falcons C.W. Post
4 4 13 116 Doug Nussmeier Saints Idaho
5 6 17 178 Jim Miller Steelers Michigan State
6 7 3 197 Gus Frerotte Redskins Tulsa
7 7 4 198 Jay Walker Patriots Howard
8 7 5 199 Steve Matthews Chiefs Memphis
9 7 14 208 Glenn Foley Jets Boston College

That's--what?--85 quarterbacks that were drafted after the first two rounds. Of those 85, you can point to only eight(!) that had even mild success in the NFL. From five rounds.

You're much more likely to be stuck with the next Jeff Kelly (yes, that Jeff Kelly) by selecting a QB in the seventh round than the next Tim Rattay or whomever.

Yes but those players did not cost teams a #1 pick. You cannot afford to waste #1 draft pick.
They also did not cost the team years of losing and huge money investment.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

You got me on McMahon I apologize. But the other 3 won with other teams after the teams that drafted them cut them so those 3 teams that drafted them wasted that pick.

The smart thing to do is let other teams draft QBs #1 and develop them for you (losing games in the process) and then cut them. Then pick them up later in their careers.

Yeah and that happens soooooooooooooooooooo much!

Garcia this year....thats about it!

You want a good QB you have to draft him and develop him yourself!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You want a good QB you have to draft him and develop him yourself!

Dumbest post of the day.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Dumbest post of the day.

Gosh...golly....duh...dolt...errr....!

I...dun't knw whet yer talkin' bout'......duh...errr......Momma done told me dat she learned me good....err...duh....I done gradeamated from Hanks refrigeator repair...duh...school.....err....slober....dolt....ummm....

who you a callin' dumb??



Idiot!

 

[vikesfan]

Yeah and that happens soooooooooooooooooooo much!

Garcia this year....thats about it!

You want a good QB you have to draft him and develop him yourself!

Yeah it does happen a lot.

It happens with NFL teams where QBs are developed elsewhere and then move to another team:
Plunkett, D Williams, S Young, Gannon, B Johnson, J Fieldler, soon Couch, Plummer, Griese Jr., Farve, Warner, Garcia, Flutie, Collins, Hassleback, Theisman, AJ Feely, Brunell, Moon, Bledsoe, Dilfer, Chandler etc. That is just off the top of my head there are many more.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Gosh...golly....duh...dolt...errr....!

I...dun't knw whet yer talkin' bout'......duh...errr......Momma done told me dat she learned me good....err...duh....I done gradeamated from Hanks refrigeator repair...duh...school.....err....slober....dolt....ummm....

who you a callin' dumb??



Idiot!

I didn't call you dumb, I said your post was dumb. This post was ******** as well.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I didn't call you dumb, I said your post was dumb. This post was ******** as well.

So one post was dumb and one was ******** right?

Its early yet, I am sure we can lable a few more of my posts something like assinine or stupid, or any other adjectives your little mind can conjour up.







At least admit you liked this one. Come on, I know you did!

By the way, since you would rather take personal shots at me I will steer this train wreck were it was to begin with:

Draft a QB at #3!

 

[AzCards21]

Somebody please shoot this thread. It has outlived its usefulness.

 

[SECTION 11]

Draft Steven Jackson!!

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[Lex]

LVCARDFREAK-

I don't know about dumb posts ...

but I sure like your avatar.

Now if I could just get Section 11 to change his back to Don King ...(it's perfect)

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

LVCARDFREAK-

I don't know about dumb posts ...

but I sure like your avatar.

Now if I could just get Section 11 to change his back to Don King ...(it's perfect)

Thanks Lex. If you remember, I changed it back on your recommendation!


Now I dont know what to do with this Section 11 character hijacking a perfectly good thread with that "Draft Stephen Jackson" dribble!

 

[nidan]

If McCown fails we'll wish we had taken Ben.

Conversely, If McCown delivers then we will be glad we didn't

 

[SECTION 11]

LVCARDFREAK-

I don't know about dumb posts ...

but I sure like your avatar.

Now if I could just get Section 11 to change his back to Don King ...(it's perfect)

Awesome. Excellence personified. I love this man.

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[SECTION 11]

Now I dont know what to do with this Section 11 character hijacking a perfectly good thread with that "Draft Stephen Jackson" dribble!

He's a Las Vegas product by the way, from Eldorado High School.

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[MaoTosiFanClub]

LV, I'll be a man and apologize.


Section 11 this is for you.

C-Farm in Round 7

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2003 Stephen Jackson 6'1 224 JR 350 att. 1545 yds. 4.4 ypc 19 TDs
2001 Clarence Farmer 6'0 224 SO 209 att. 1229 yds. 5.9 ypc 10 TDs

 

[kerouac9]

C-Farm in Round 7
2001 Clarence Farmer 6'0 224 SO 209 att. 1229 yds. 5.9 ypc 10 TDs

Man, what have you done for me lately, Clarence Farmer?

 

[SECTION 11]

2003 Stephen Jackson 6'1 224 JR 350 att. 1545 yds. 4.4 ypc 19 TDs
2001 Clarence Farmer 6'0 224 SO 209 att. 1229 yds. 5.9 ypc 10 TDs

2001?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Conversely, If McCown delivers then we will be glad we didn't

Why? Because the Cards might have 2 Guys on the roster that are good?

AWWW...The horror!