Bobby Massie

[SeattleCard]

Am I mistaken, or is the title of this thread "Bobby Massie".

I am looking forward to going back and rewatching the game (I was there!). It seems like Massie's man didn't sniff Kolb all day long.

I agree... seems Massie played well. Anyone have a more educated review than my own?

 

[crisper57]

I agree... seems Massie played well. Anyone have a more educated review than my own?

The guy he was defending all day probably does...

 

[JeffGollin]

He is free to bang that drum, I don't stand in the way. And, I'm free to make my assessement that he may be less than well-informed.

Can we agree with everything; namely that -

-That Donald has the right to slam Grimm for poor coaching.

- That Canuck has the right to claim that Donald doesn't know anything about OL coaching.

Kumbaya!

 

[D-Dogg]

He gets backwards push.

That's called vacuum or "suck"

 

[D-Dogg]

Can we agree with everything; namely that -

-That Donald has the right to slam Grimm for poor coaching.

- That Canuck has the right to claim that Donald doesn't know anything about OL coaching.

Kumbaya!

pass the marshmallows

 

[Shane]

pass the marshmallows

Marshmallows are gross!

 

[D-Dogg]

Marshmallows are gross!

Not when you cook them on the kumbaya fire.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Not when you cook them on the kumbaya fire.

 

[Stout]

Massie was nails yesterday. He was so fast into his drop on one play, I thought he had committed a false start. Glad we drafted him.

 

[Cardiac]

The evidence, 4 years worth, indicates that Grimm isn't a good Oline coach. Well that's not entirely true since the Oline did a very good job during the playoffs. Now of course there is the legit argument that Warner made them look better than they were so let's not Grimm any credit for that.

I have to agree with CC that the fact that none of the Oline that has left the Cards since Grimm has been here has done anything. Can't count BIG because the Cards weren't going to pay him that HUGE amount of money.

Gandy was a solid FA pick up that played well for us. College has been decent. Sendlein has done very well considering he was an UDFA.

Now we have Massie how obviously needed work because he lasted until the 4th rd and we saw how much he struggled in preseason. To say that Grimm has not had a positive impact on him is simply unfair.

In reality how many late rd Oline draft picks do well in the NFL. What I mean is how many misses vs hits. The glaring fact is that the Cards expected Grimm to take whatever leftovers they gave him and make them good. It's a draft and CAP philosophy in that they decided to invest in just about every other unit/position more heavily than the Oline.

Back on topic. Massie was a steal in the draft and has played well above all of our expectations. Dude simply looks like a stud, he is massive and not sloppy looking at all. In the 2nd half our best success running the ball was to his side of the ball.

 

[WildBB]

The evidence, 4 years worth, indicates that Grimm isn't a good Oline coach. Well that's not entirely true since the Oline did a very good job during the playoffs. Now of course there is the legit argument that Warner made them look better than they were so let's not Grimm any credit for that.

I have to agree with CC that the fact that none of the Oline that has left the Cards since Grimm has been here has done anything. Can't count BIG because the Cards weren't going to pay him that HUGE amount of money.

Gandy was a solid FA pick up that played well for us. College has been decent. Sendlein has done very well considering he was an UDFA.

Now we have Massie how obviously needed work because he lasted until the 4th rd and we saw how much he struggled in preseason. To say that Grimm has not had a positive impact on him is simply unfair.

In reality how many late rd Oline draft picks do well in the NFL. What I mean is how many misses vs hits. The glaring fact is that the Cards expected Grimm to take whatever leftovers they gave him and make them good. It's a draft and CAP philosophy in that they decided to invest in just about every other unit/position more heavily than the Oline.

Back on topic. Massie was a steal in the draft and has played well above all of our expectations. Dude simply looks like a stud, he is massive and not sloppy looking at all. In the 2nd half our best success running the ball was to his side of the ball.

Nice evaluation.

In Massie's own estimation, the run game is what he needed the most work in. But the staff also adjusted his pass pro footwork in the pre season and it looks like its really paying off fast.

 

[Duckjake]

I have to agree with CC that the fact that none of the Oline that has left the Cards since Grimm has been here has done anything. Can't count BIG because the Cards weren't going to pay him that HUGE amount of money.

That's because players who get released by Arizona have a severe stigma attached to them. Other teams figure if that guy couldn't even cut it for that bunch he can't be any good. Plus they'd have to coach the Arizona out of him.

Other teams including the Saints have had several late round players perform very well for them*. The talent level is a poor excuse for what has been poor coaching over 5.125 seasons.

*From the Saints SB Champion roster:

Bushrod 4th
Evans 4th
Nicks 5th
Jon Goodwin 5th
Stinchcomb 2nd

 

[Cardiac]

That's because players who get released by Arizona have a severe stigma attached to them. Other teams figure if that guy couldn't even cut it for that bunch he can't be any good. Plus they'd have to coach the Arizona out of him.

Other teams including the Saints have had several late round players perform very well for them*. The talent level is a poor excuse for what has been poor coaching over 5.125 seasons.

*From the Saints SB Champion roster:

Bushrod 4th
Evans 4th
Nicks 5th
Jon Goodwin 5th
Stinchcomb 2nd

Come on Duck, don't go SOC's on me. Just this year the Cards traded AJ Jefferson instead of cutting him.

The Cards in the past 15 years have had as little success drafting and signing Olinemen as they have had success with WR's. Yes I'm stealing this from you because you are right. The Cards have a magic touch for WR's. What they don't have is a good handle on Oline talent. I think that's changing but we still have a ways to go.

Saints can't get enough D talent but are crazy good with O personnel. The Giants did well for awhile adding late rd Oline talent.

It's simply not what the Cards have been good at recently. It could be Grimm or maybe not.

I'm not closing the book on Grimm. Far too many "excuses" as to why the Oline hasn't improved.

 

[Duckjake]

Come on Duck, don't go SOC's on me. Just this year the Cards traded AJ Jefferson instead of cutting him.

The Cards in the past 15 years have had as little success drafting and signing Olinemen as they have had success with WR's. Yes I'm stealing this from you because you are right. The Cards have a magic touch for WR's. What they don't have is a good handle on Oline talent. I think that's changing but we still have a ways to go.

Saints can't get enough D talent but are crazy good with O personnel. The Giants did well for awhile adding late rd Oline talent.

It's simply not what the Cards have been good at recently. It could be Grimm or maybe not.

I'm not closing the book on Grimm. Far too many "excuses" as to why the Oline hasn't improved.

You know that and I know that and most hard core fans know that but to the rest of the world we're still the same old Cardinals. 9 wins in the last 11 games and do we get any respect? Only grudging.

But you are right about the offensive linemen. I swear you could give the Cards 5 first round picks as long as they used them all on offensive linemen for 3 years in a rwo and the oline would still struggle.

LJ Shelton, Pete Kendall, and Leonard Davis. All first round draft picks on the oline together and we still finished 5-11.

 

[Cardiac]

You know that and I know that and most hard core fans know that but to the rest of the world we're still the same old Cardinals. 9 wins in the last 11 games and do we get any respect? Only grudging.

But you are right about the offensive linemen. I swear you could give the Cards 5 first round picks as long as they used them all on offensive linemen for 3 years in a rwo and the oline would still struggle.

LJ Shelton, Pete Kendall, and Leonard Davis. All first round draft picks on the oline together and we still finished 5-11.

Now go to that special place that has Massie playing far and above where he was drafted.

Take a leap and imagine Levi not injured and playing like he did in the 2nd half of the year.

Imagine College, Sendlien and Snyder getting enough reps together to become a cohesive unit.

Maybe we need to draft 3 more Olineman in 2013 or maybe we will see the emergence from the Oline that we have seen from the ILBer position.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Bottom line, we've given up 2 sacks, which is second in the League.

Philly with their wide-9 approach will be a test, but it could open up the running game.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Now go to that special place that has Massie playing far and above where he was drafted.

Take a leap and imagine Levi not injured and playing like he did in the 2nd half of the year.

Imagine College, Sendlien and Snyder getting enough reps together to become a cohesive unit.

Maybe we need to draft 3 more Olineman in 2013 or maybe we will see the emergence from the Oline that we have seen from the ILBer position.

I like the positive approach, Cardiac. And you just might be right.

I think what many on this board miss is that there are a LOT of BAD offensive lines if you take any time to watch other games. It's a difficult position in todays game.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Bottom line, we've given up 2 sacks, which is second in the League.

Philly with their wide-9 approach will be a test, but it could open up the running game.

And again, I like the positive approach.

 

[crisper57]

Starting to think that when we get Levi back, tackle won't be our problem spot next year. However, I have been really disappointed with our Guard play so far.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Massie was nails yesterday. He was so fast into his drop on one play, I thought he had committed a false start. Glad we drafted him.

IMO, he did false start on that play. He had an amazing game though. Kudos. Loved the pick.

 

[Chopper0080]

Starting to think that when we get Levi back, tackle won't be our problem spot next year. However, I have been really disappointed with our Guard play so far.

They are pretty terrible. Unfortunately, Colledge is signed for 3 more years and Snyder 4.

 

[Duckjake]

They are pretty terrible. Unfortunately, Colledge is signed for 3 more years and Snyder 4.

That doesn't really mean anything does it? We've had 5 different starters at Guard in just the last 3 seasons. Lutui, Faneca, Hadnot, Colledge, and Snyder.

I expect they'll continue their tradition and bring in someone else next season. Or Kelemete could move someone out. Either way the odds are good we'll have our 6th starter at Guard in 2013.

 

[crisper57]

They are pretty terrible. Unfortunately, Colledge is signed for 3 more years and Snyder 4.

Holding out hope for Kelemente. Then I think we are 1 G away from a respectable line (after Levi comes back). Not dominant, but respectable.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I may get panned for saying this, but I still give Grimm an INCOMPLETE when evaluating him. It's hard to argue that he hasn't been given the least amount of talent to work with, this has been well documented and is hard to argue against.

I have faith in Whisenhunt. That doesn't seem to be too popular around here. I think the issues this team has had since the back to back NFC West Championships is almost exclusively talented related.

Massie has looked very good, like a legitimate long term starter. We just need to continue to use draft picks on lineman and quit going after the free agency scrap heap.

 

[Stout]

IMO, he did false start on that play. He had an amazing game though. Kudos. Loved the pick.

Wasn't called so it didn't happen