Bobby Massie

[Pariah]

"Proof is in the pudding."

mmmmmm. Pudding.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

"Proof is in the pudding."

Correction: "Proof of the pudding is in the eating".

 

[Mulli]

Correction: "Proof of the pudding is in the eating".

That was not the quote I was referencing.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Come on, CC. This is ridiculous. By this measure none of us can have an opinion on anything except for that in which we're personally competent? I guess ASFN should shut down, then, because 99% of the posts here about about something we cannot do ourselves.

Look, I can't make a souffle, but when someone else is making it and each time it comes out of the oven sunken or burnt or raw, I know they're no good at it either. I don't need to be a chef to understand that.

He is free to bang that drum, I don't stand in the way. And, I'm free to make my assessement that he may be less than well-informed.

 

[52brandon]

Does anyone know how many sacks the Cardinals have allawed this year compared to after 2 games last season? It does appeat the line has gotten better

and 60% of it is new. with 2 of those 3 only playing due to injuries. Funny how it works out sometimes. Definitely not complaining though lol

 

[Mulli]

Come on, CC. This is ridiculous. By this measure none of us can have an opinion on anything except for that in which we're personally competent? I guess ASFN should shut down, then, because 99% of the posts here about about something we cannot do ourselves.

Look, I can't make a souffle, but when someone else is making it and each time it comes out of the oven sunken or burnt or raw, I know they're no good at it either. I don't need to be a chef to understand that.

mmmmmm. souffle.

 

[Pariah]

And, I'm free to make my assessement that he may be less than well-informed.

Then I'm free to make my assessment of your assessment -- we've watched how many years of Grimm's lines fail? At what point can we say, "hey, this guy isn't any good at his job"?

 

[Mulli]

Then I'm free to make my assessment of your assessment -- we've watched how many years of Grimm's lines fail? At what point can we say, "hey, this guy isn't any good at his job"?

Crazy thing is that OL yesterday seemed like one of the few games that the Cards could sorta kinda run when they needed to...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Then I'm free to make my assessment of your assessment -- we've watched how many years of Grimm's lines fail? At what point can we say, "hey, this guy isn't any good at his job"?

As said: You can scream it from the mountain top!

 

[Shane]

Come on, CC. This is ridiculous. By this measure none of us can have an opinion on anything except for that in which we're personally competent? I guess ASFN should shut down, then, because 99% of the posts here about about something we cannot do ourselves.

Look, I can't make a souffle, but when someone else is making it and each time it comes out of the oven sunken or burnt or raw, I know they're no good at it either. I don't need to be a chef to understand that.

You were just itching to use the word souffle.

 

[D-Dogg]

He is free to bang that drum, I don't stand in the way. And, I'm free to make my assessement that he may be less than well-informed.

And my assessment is that if you think Grimm is doing a good job then I severely mistrust your viewpoint on the matter given the state of our line play since he's been here. One doesn't have to be a former Hog and hall of famer to see that the oline has continually been the weakest link on the team, with very little depth and tenuous talent.

If our line had steadily improved under the tutelage of Grimm, I'd be much more understanding of the Springsteen incident. But instead, that ridiculousness basically defines Grimm for me. The pudding tastes like warmed over dog droppings.

Plus, you're Canadian so nothing you say counts anyway.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

And my assessment is that if you think Grimm is doing a good job then I severely mistrust your viewpoint on the matter given the state of our line play since he's been here. One doesn't have to be a former Hog and hall of famer to see that the oline has continually been the weakest link on the team, with very little depth and tenuous talent.

If our line had steadily improved under the tutelage of Grimm, I'd be much more understanding of the Springsteen incident. But instead, that ridiculousness basically defines Grimm for me. The pudding tastes like warmed over dog droppings.

Plus, you're Canadian so nothing you say counts anyway.

Dim!

Name an O-lineman cut by the Cards who went on to the better things, when he got "better" coaching with another team?

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken droppings!

(We are playing the 100th edition of the Grey Cup this year. We've been playing professional football longer than you have, for what that's worth)

 

[Mulli]

Dim!

Name an O-lineman cut by the Cards who went on to the better things, when he got "better" coaching with another team?

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken droppings!

(We are playing the 100th edition of the Grey Cup this year. We've been playing professional football longer than you have, for what that's worth)

Uh no, not another Leonard Davis thread!

 

[Mainstreet]

Uh no, not another Leonard Davis thread!

The first thing that popped into my mind.

 

[Pariah]

Uh no, not another Leonard Davis thread!

But that's exactly right. Davis went on to be a dominant GUARD for the Cowboys.

I'll also submit that the lack of talent along the line is an indictment of Grimm instead of an excuse for the line's poor performance. You don't think he has a say in which linemen are selected in the draft or free agency?

 

[Mulli]

But that's exactly right. Davis went on to be a dominant GUARD for the Cowboys.

I'll also submit that the lack of talent along the line is an indictment of Grimm instead of an excuse for the line's poor performance. You don't think he has a say in which linemen are selected in the draft or free agency?

He was dominant for a short time, then all of the sudden he wasn't. And it is entirely possible that he was overrated with them. And he wasn't being used as an LT.
**insert old LD discussion here**

 

[Crazy Canuck]

But that's exactly right. Davis went on to be a dominant GUARD for the Cowboys.

I'll also submit that the lack of talent along the line is an indictment of Grimm instead of an excuse for the line's poor performance. You don't think he has a say in which linemen are selected in the draft or free agency?

What did Grimm have to do with the drafting of Davis and FO's decision to let him lose?

Of course, Grimm is consulted, but, given that with one exception these were lower tier draft picks and UDFA's, I can't see much of an endictment. The guys who were cut didn't pan out anywhere else. If the Cards had a problem with his work, they could have dropped him a year ago when he was renewed.

 

[Mulli]

What did Grimm have to do with the drafting of Davis and FO's decision to let him lose?

Of course, Grimm is consulted, but, given that with one exception these were lower tier draft picks and UDFA's, I can't see much of an endictment. The guys who were cut didn't pan out anywhere else. If the Cards had a problem with his work, they could have dropped him a year ago when he was renewed.

But other teams can use lower round picks as starting guards why can't Grimm coach up at least 1?

 

[seesred]

With Batiste as the exception, I though the O-line started meshing yesterday.
Concidering they were up against one of the better front 7 in the NFL. If they can stay together they will get better IMO.

GBR
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[Crazy Canuck]

But other teams can use lower round picks as starting guards why can't Grimm coach up at least 1?

But - again - if they were any good these guys would have been coached up and playing for other teams after being cut in AZ?


(Sendlein)

 

[Pariah]

What did Grimm have to do with the drafting of Davis and FO's decision to let him lose?

IMO, a good offensive line coach would have put him at G and coached him up to the point where he would have been indispensable. He had all the talent in the world.

Davis is an example of talent not being coached/utilized.

 

[Pariah]

But - again - why didn't these guys get coached up and play for other teams after being cut?


(Sendlein)

Because Grimm--presumably the final voice in all things OL related, given that he's the OL and assistant HC--can't identify talent (which might be okay if he could coach a line to be better than the sum of its parts).

 

[Mulli]

But - again - why didn't these guys get coached up and play for other teams after being cut?


(Sendlein)

Send is part of the problem. Mediocre at best. I find it hard to believe Grimm has no input on OL draftees. He picks them and they get cut. At least partially on him.

And you haven't addressed him watching the halftime show at the Super Bowl.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

IMO, a good offensive line coach would have put him at G and coached him up to the point where he would have been indispensable. He had all the talent in the world.

Davis is an example of talent not being coached/utilized.

I don't recall the Cards have $49M dollars, back in the day, to throw at a failed LT.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Send is part of the problem. Mediocre at best. I find it hard to believe Grimm has no input on OL draftees. He picks them and they get cut. At least partially on him.

And you haven't addressed him watching the halftime show at the Super Bowl.

Whatever Whiz, Graves and the Bidwill's had to say, I agree with.