Boldin trade talk to Dolphins

[Totally_Red]

First, everyone needs to get this straight. Boldin is NOT playing out his last year of his contract. The only way he plays is with a new contract. So, if the Cards plan on keeping him and using him, he would need a new contract.

From Boldins point of view, he has $2.75M left on his contract. If he plays without a new contract, he risks injury and future worth for only $2.75M. If he holds out and gets a new contract he will end up with $7-$12M in upfront bonuses. If the Cards try to force him to play, he will hold out as long as reasonable (reasonable = until the fines get too large or until he needs X amount of weeks to have this year count as an accredited season). Once he is forced into playing, he can always "pull a hamstring" and maybe wait until the last 4 games of the year to "turn it on". If he does nothing all year, but has 4 good games at the end of the year, he will still command a very good contract in 2011.

With the WR depth on the Cards, I see no reason to offer Boldin a new contract, therefore, he must be traded.

I would like to see a link before I accept the opening paragraph as FACT as opposed to YOUR opinion. Outside of Stephen Jackson, very few players have benefited from a holdout.


The reason to offer Boldin a contract is because he is more than a wide receiver, he is a team leader and fierce competitor. The real issue is more injury-driven with a regard to offering a contract. For all his pluses, Q has had trouble staying healthy the last couple of seasons. Without that issue, the question of offering him a new contract is more nuanced IMO.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'm with you that things are very much up in the air, but doesn't that mean that, in an atmosphere where there's going to possibly be a lot of supply, that Boldin's value will go further down?

I understand that it's an uncapped year, but there are only 8 teams that aren't going to have some free agent flexibility. They'll be able to get players without having to give up more than $. Do you think that the Colts are suddenly going to be trading left and right? Do you think that the Packers are going to be trading like banshees and spending money like drunken sailors?

These teams do have time and money invested in the players on their roster. I think that teams should be exceedingly skeptical about players being offered in trade. No one knows these guys more than the teams that own them; why are they so happy to let them go?

I don't think that we should pull the trigger on this trade, right now. But I think that people should lower their expectations about what the Cards can get for Boldin right now. Maybe they can get someone else's aging role player, but they're not going to get a top pick.

Those who expect a second- or even first-round pick in a trade: Do you really think that Anquan Boldin as he is now is the difference between making the playoffs in 2010 and not? I think that you hold on to him only if to you the answer to that question is yes.

More important, that is a question for a team thinking of calling up the Cards to make a trade. If they think that Q is the difference between making the playoffs or not, they'll pay the needed price.

People on this board gave up on the first and third scenario a long time ago, but, a second round pick from a team that sees him as a difference maker in their hopes for 2010, is not unreasonable.

Some want us to "lower our expectations". Well, there is a difference between that, and simply giving a solid, proven Pro for the opportunity to select the unknown beyond the second round. Q is still under contract and, if nothing else transpired, could be franchised at a later date.

I, for one, would be content to have his 80 to 90 catches, 900-1000 yards, and whatever TDs he picks up for years to come.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

First, everyone needs to get this straight. Boldin is NOT playing out his last year of his contract. The only way he plays is with a new contract. So, if the Cards plan on keeping him and using him, he would need a new contract.

From Boldins point of view, he has $2.75M left on his contract. If he plays without a new contract, he risks injury and future worth for only $2.75M. If he holds out and gets a new contract he will end up with $7-$12M in upfront bonuses. If the Cards try to force him to play, he will hold out as long as reasonable (reasonable = until the fines get too large or until he needs X amount of weeks to have this year count as an accredited season). Once he is forced into playing, he can always "pull a hamstring" and maybe wait until the last 4 games of the year to "turn it on". If he does nothing all year, but has 4 good games at the end of the year, he will still command a very good contract in 2011.

With the WR depth on the Cards, I see no reason to offer Boldin a new contract, therefore, he must be traded.

Evidently, given that you are privy to what Boldin will and will not do, you aren't the team's "future GM", you are the GM!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

i think we have more chance to trade him to patriots..considering they have 2 second round draft picks..honestly miami with just third round pick can get at least a cactus

The Pats got Moss for a 4th. You really think they'll give a 2nd for Q?

 

[MoeIsBetter]

The Pats got Moss for a 4th. You really think they'll give a 2nd for Q?

Different situation and different times. With Welker out for almost half the season they could cave. And don't forget, that traded a fourth to the Raiders. Al Davis probably thought he was giving up a different player and HE was getting the good deal lol.

 

[Catfish]

I can't even generate interest in this post-----the fact that it comes from Pro Footaball TALK is reason enough for me to pass on it. I can't even remember when they were EVER correct in one of their assumptions.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The Pats got Moss for a 4th. You really think they'll give a 2nd for Q?

They gave a 2nd for Welker right?

 

[MoeIsBetter]

I can't even generate interest in this post-----the fact that it comes from Pro Footaball TALK is reason enough for me to pass on it. I can't even remember when they were EVER correct in one of their assumptions.

Do these make it easier to get interest?

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2010/02/10/let-the-q-speculation-begin-again/

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/columnists/barry-jackson/story/1471705.html

 

[devilalum]

Everything I've seen says the Cards wanted a #2 for Boldin last year and only got offered 3rd round picks. Why would he be worth more this year?

 

[100%CardsFan]

Who do we have projected as possible third round picks?

Hell we got Dockett in the 3rd round. There is always a 3rd round gem... now lets see if the Cards can find him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The Pats got Moss for a 4th. You really think they'll give a 2nd for Q?

At the time, Moss was considered a cancer and finished. They gave a second for Welker, and they have two at their disposal this year.

Have a hard time believing that if Brady chimed in, that he'd say... "Q who needs him!"

 

[jefftheshark]

Who do we have projected as possible third round picks?

Buster Davis

JTS

 

[juza76]

Everything I've seen says the Cards wanted a #2 for Boldin last year and only got offered 3rd round picks. Why would he be worth more this year?

baltimora didnt offer a second round last year and they reject it

 

[Crazy Canuck]

baltimora didnt offer a second round last year and they reject it

???

 

[Vermont Maverick]

...Look at any free agent list 90% of the top players are RFA's. Meaning zero to little movement in the free agent market. So how are teams expected to get better this offseason besides the crap shoot draft that takes a year or two for the player to pan out. How, trades, thats how. This is going to be by far the best trading climate the NFL has ever seen. Especially when you add in the fact that there are no salary cap ramifications for teams trading away a player or trading for a player. Some teams will overpay, some teams will trade for someone they normally wouldnt just to get what they feel as over the hump since they cant do it in free agency.

Great Point, Joe.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

???

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Cards Czar]

At the time, Moss was considered a cancer and finished. They gave a second for Welker, and they have two at their disposal this year.

Have a hard time believing that if Brady chimed in, that he'd say... "Q who needs him!"

Thats not correct. NE has 3 picks in the 2nd round.

2A- # 44 from Jacksonville

2B - # 47 from Tennessee

2C - # 53 there sloted pick.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Thats not correct. NE has 3 picks in the 2nd round.

2A- # 44 from Jacksonville

2B - # 47 from Tennessee

2C - # 53 there sloted pick.

Happy to be corrected.

 

[TJ]

The Pats got Moss for a 4th. You really think they'll give a 2nd for Q?

And the Cowboys got Roy Williams for a 1st 3rd and 6th round pick.

Plus, when you talk about Raider signinings, trades, drafts, you have to consider the team and the owner before making a conclusion. Old Al works differently than anyone else in the league

 

[MadCardDisease]

Why trade a proven player who is under contract (an affordable contract at that) for only a 3rd rounder? That just seems silly to me. I say let him play out his final year if no one offers a 2nd rounder or better.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Why trade a proven player who is under contract (an affordable contract at that) for only a 3rd rounder? That just seems silly to me. I say let him play out his final year if no one offers a 2nd rounder or better.

 

[DoTheDew]

Yes. How will we ever replace the 81 receptions, 972 yards, and 8 TDs that he's averaged for us the last three years? I mean, those are Chad Ochocinco numbers, right there.

If you can get a third for Anquan Boldin at this point, you take it.

We can. It's called a comp pick. That is likely what he'd get us if we let him walk assuming the rules on such things are unchanged by then. I'd do it for a 3rd+something else, but it seems idiotic to trade a guy for a third when his likely salary will net one anyways if you manage free agent signings properly.

 

[splitsecond]

We can. It's called a comp pick. That is likely what he'd get us if we let him walk assuming the rules on such things are unchanged by then. I'd do it for a 3rd+something else, but it seems idiotic to trade a guy for a third when his likely salary will net one anyways if you manage free agent signings properly.

Now there is a good big picture view of the situation. And more than likely what we will do if nothing good comes along.

 

[bg7brd]

Why trade a proven player who is under contract (an affordable contract at that) for only a 3rd rounder? That just seems silly to me. I say let him play out his final year if no one offers a 2nd rounder or better.

I agree completely.

 

[cardpa]

I think you are devaluing Q a little bit. He is a 3X pro bowler and still has more upside than Marshall IMO. Marshall is in the same situation wanting a bigger contract but is more of a liability off the field than Q. We are talking about the same dude that was punting balls out of the practice field. His contract situation is going to be far worse. He will demand more money than Q and at least one team will take a flier on Q at a cheaper price than Marshall. I would rather have Q over Marshall and will take him everyday, twice on Sundays. If we took only a 3rd rounder for him, IMO, we got screwed big time.

As for Leinart, Q was his best target his rookie year. Leinart sent Q to the pro bowl in 2006 so I would have to imagine they still have rapport on the field. Q gives Leinart confidence as well as Fitz. Honestly, if it helps Leinart develop confidence on the field and groom younger receivers such as Doucet and Breaston, I would rather have Q for one more season than to get crap picks for him.

I don't see what's so funny about that, bro. Again, the trade season has not started yet and we both can agree we aren't 100% sure of what we are going to get for him. I just know if Graves settles for a 3rd, then we really did not negotiate well.

Further, keep in mind that his stats that you posted are skewed because of how Kurt spreads the ball around, especially to Fitz and Breaston. Put him in an offense where he is the focal point and those stats will balloon

When did a third round pick become a crap pick??