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swd1974 said:No thank you. Brees had a live arm and some thought process. McCown has neither.
Brees has alot going for him, but to suggest that McCown has a "dead arm" is positively...
swd1974 said:No thank you. Brees had a live arm and some thought process. McCown has neither.
Crazy Canuck said:Brees has alot going for him, but to suggest that McCown has a "dead arm" is positively...
Um, what opportunity did the Chargers give Brees? They drafted a QB after one lousy season by Brees even after he had a better 2002 season than McCown had in 2004. Hell, the Bolts were trying to trade Brees all summer after they had drafted Rivers. They only had to see one lousy campaign for them to move on at that position. Meanwhile in Cardinal land, a player must suck for at least three years before we can finally move on. Ugh, it's a sad epidemic.40yearfan said:Oh really? Guess what? It was Drew Brees FOURTH year before he caught on and he had started 27 games before than. Last year was Josh's THIRD year and he's only started 16 games. Brees had a 67.5 QB rating his third year and Josh had a 74.1 QB rating in his third year.
What say we give Josh the same opportunity the Chargers gave Brees.
MaoTosiFanClub said:Um, what opportunity did the Chargers give Brees? They drafted a QB after one lousy season by Brees even after he had a better 2002 season than McCown had in 2004. Hell, the Bolts were trying to trade Brees all summer after they had drafted Rivers. They only had to see one lousy campaign for them to move on at that position. Meanwhile in Cardinal land, a player must suck for at least three years before we can finally move on. Ugh, it's a sad epidemic.
And for the last time, can we please stop the Brees-McClown comparisons? One guy was a Heisman Trophy candidate who carried a team to the Rose Bowl and would have been a Top 5 pick if he were a couple inches taller. The other was benched at Southern Methodist and had to transfer to Podunk State in order to get a starting gig and only got drafted thanks to combine times and our former head coaches' idiocy.
JPlay said:Thank you. My point exactly. Josh is lucky to have a roster spot in this league. Brees was a star in college who had failed to live up to his potential previously. And don't forget the fact that Antonio Gates emergence and some running backed name Ladanian helped him out greatly.
MaoTosiFanClub said:Um, what opportunity did the Chargers give Brees? They drafted a QB after one lousy season by Brees even after he had a better 2002 season than McCown had in 2004. Hell, the Bolts were trying to trade Brees all summer after they had drafted Rivers. They only had to see one lousy campaign for them to move on at that position. Meanwhile in Cardinal land, a player must suck for at least three years before we can finally move on. Ugh, it's a sad epidemic.
And for the last time, can we please stop the Brees-McClown comparisons? One guy was a Heisman Trophy candidate who carried a team to the Rose Bowl and would have been a Top 5 pick if he were a couple inches taller. The other was benched at Southern Methodist and had to transfer to Podunk State in order to get a starting gig and only got drafted thanks to combine times and our former head coaches' idiocy.
JPlay said:Thank you. My point exactly. Josh is lucky to have a roster spot in this league. Brees was a star in college who had failed to live up to his potential previously. And don't forget the fact that Antonio Gates emergence and some running backed name Ladanian helped him out greatly.
You obviously don't see the point I am making. With Brees there was at least some history proving that he was a good QB at lower levels. There has been no such history with McCown.40yearfan said:So in other words, all that's required to play this game of football is a good pedigree? Give me a break guys. There have been more Heisman Trophy busts than winners. You guys have your priorities all screwed up. It's performance that counts, not how you did in college. As Tango would say "UNBELIEVABLE".
MaoTosiFanClub said:You obviously don't see the point I am making. With Brees there was at least some history proving that he was a good QB at lower levels. There has been no such history with McCown.
And I do put stock in performance, which is why I agreed with the Bolts at the time for picking Rivers. Simply put, Brees wasn't getting it done just as McCown hasn't been able to get it done during his entire tenure in Arizona.
BigRedMO said:Decision is already made. Warner is starter on opening day. It is one thing to sit an expensive guy who was already on the team and quite another to sign a guy for big money and then sit him. That would make Green's judgement appear questionable to Bidwill who is paying the bills. No guarantee Warner starts all season but I think that is even likely barring injury. He will start opening day if healthy.
BigRedMO said:Decision is already made. Warner is starter on opening day. It is one thing to sit an expensive guy who was already on the team and quite another to sign a guy for big money and then sit him. That would make Green's judgement appear questionable to Bidwill who is paying the bills. No guarantee Warner starts all season but I think that is even likely barring injury. He will start opening day if healthy.
Giants situation was different because Warner was hired to groom an expensive "franchise" QB.
BigRedMO said:That quote would be "I recommended Warner to you Mr. Bidwill at an expensive price if I were to suggest Mccown is the starter I guess I would be wasting your money in the Warner signing. I exhibited bad judgement and poor player evaluation in recommending the signing. I will resign at the end of the year for making such poor decisions and wasting your money."
Seriously, do you buy a new car and park in the garage? Mccown was 30th rated QB. Unless there is divine intervention he will not be Joe Montana this year.
Evil Ash said:Geez people act like I'm saying give the guy the starting job. I'm not. Quit trying to put words into my mouth.
Yes Big Ben was better of course HE WAS ON A BETTER TEAM. Why is it people seem to forget that they were 5-1 before he played a damn down?
Will Josh do well? Hell I don't know and those that claim they do know are full of crap. We don't know whats going to happen. In case no one else has noticed the majority of the NFL QBs got better with their second team. There is no magic formula folks. For every Peyton Manning there is a Jake Delhomme. If it were that simple to find a franchise QB a lot less coaches and GMs would be fired on a yearly basis.
Cute but again your blaming the entirety of the ineptitude on one guy. If thats the case doesn't it seem odd to you that our WR and Oline coaches as well as the OC were fired during the same offseason? Maybe there's more to it than just one guy.
Good for him. That doesn't mean the career of Josh is shot either. You're reading stuff that isn't there
BigDavis75 said:You just made that number up, its completeley off. The Steelers were dwelling in mediocrity before Big Ben became the starter. In Week 1 they barely beat the Raiders, the friggin' Raiders.
Of course you can come up with exceptions to every rule. The fact remains that there's a much better probablity than a successful college player becomes a good NFL player rather than a piss-poor college player. That's why the Brees-McCown comparisons are stupid. Even before Brees' 2004 campaign he had a history of being successful at every level, something that cannot be said of Josh. If McCown couldn't figure out how to be an above average QB in both high school and in college, then the odds are heavily against him being one at the professional level.Evil Ash said:As for the whole "pedigree" argument than you would have to throw Trent Green out of the League because he was a backup his entire college career.
MaoTosiFanClub said:Of course you can come up with exceptions to every rule. The fact remains that there's a much better probablity than a successful college player becomes a good NFL player rather than a piss-poor college player. That's why the Brees-McCown comparisons are stupid. Even before Brees' 2004 campaign he had a history of being successful at every level, something that cannot be said of Josh. If McCown couldn't figure out how to be an above average QB in both high school and in college, then the odds are heavily against him being one at the professional level.
Evil Ash said:They were 5-1 before Big Ben played a down. If they were that mediocre, they wouldn't have that record.
cheesebeef said:uh - Ash, they were 1-0(barely beating that crap-ass Raiders team at home) and getting the crap beat out of them by Baltimore in Game 2 when Ben came in and started the rest of the season.
BigRedMO said:It is human nature not to want to admit mistakes. Dennis Green has that trait on steroids. He benched Mccown and when King was a complete flop he still would not go back to Mccown. To do so would have been admitting he was wrong. Instead he went to Navarre. He chose a guy who had not played a down in a real NFL game over Mccown while the Cards were in the playoff hunt. That says a alot to me. At the time Mccown was benched they were in the running for the playoffs but not due to much that Mccown had done. The team was in competition based on its defense. Green wanted just a caretaker QB who could provide even a marginal ability to put points up.
MaoTosiFanClub said:Of course you can come up with exceptions to every rule. The fact remains that there's a much better probablity than a successful college player becomes a good NFL player rather than a piss-poor college player. That's why the Brees-McCown comparisons are stupid. Even before Brees' 2004 campaign he had a history of being successful at every level, something that cannot be said of Josh. If McCown couldn't figure out how to be an above average QB in both high school and in college, then the odds are heavily against him being one at the professional level.
College: Finished college career at Sam Houston State after three years at Southern Methodist (S.M.U.) … left S.M.U. program to showcase his passing ability … threw for 4,022 yards and 24 touchdowns during three-year career at S.M.U. … surpassed that touchdown total (32 touchdowns) in one season at Sam Houston State … for his college career, completed 599 of 1,093 passes (54.8 percent) for 7,503 yards and 56 touchdowns … 3,481 yards at Sam Houston State rank eighth on the Bearkats’ career list … one of 16 players considered for the Walter Payton Award as a senior, given to the top performer in the NCAA Division 1-AA ranks.
40yearfan said:Threw for 32 TD's in his senior year. Not bad for a below average QB in college.